80v Tool batteries :)

Jestronix

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After much searching and a little gambling I found a tool battery I can put to use.

I wanted to run 18650 after some interesting times with RC lipo. :) whilst 12kw is fun, it's not really needed for the daily ride to work. And we'll HK packs quality are :cry: I have killed a good number of RC lipo at or below its C rating.



The 80v packs are made for a few companies Greenworks in the US , Victa and Kobalt here in Australia.

I bought a pack and found out it put out 30amp burst :) very promising, after much a search on the web I wasn't able to find out the cell type. But by chance I was holding the batteries under a light and could see a code under the cover of the cells, UR18650XR - 24A. They are rated for 20a continuous and hold 2000mah. So my 4 packs gives me 80amps @ 72v nominal. At full charge around 6Kw. All up 560whrs for $320 USD. Also no need to go buy a Spot welder or nickel or BMS etc.

Do they parallel charge and discharge ? They sure do :) I charged two at once off the Kobalt charger @ 300 watts. And I discharged two at once on the bike. :) was able to pull more amps and less sag with two packs :)
The package they come in is fairly large, so I was able to get the size down by removing the cover and relocating the BMS. The pack in the first picture on the left is with the BMS relocated and the front cover removed, a good 3cm reduction.

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over the next few days I'll wire up the packs, cover them and install on the bike. Hoping to fully waterproof the packs.

Another good thing is the recharge c rating will be 1/2 C rather than the 2c for one pack, hopefully over time this extends the pack life, also the charger does 4.1 per cell rather than 4.2. I'd say most 18650 are 4.1.

Not sure if it's a good thing or not, but all 80 cells are individually balanced as each pack of 20 has its own BMS.
I'd say each pack has LVD and HVD,


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Cool. Good info.
I have one of their Chainsaws @ 40V It works pretty good for such a little thing

Interestingly, around here, buying just a spare battery on eBay or Amazon costs only about five dollars less than buying the whole system; Saw, Battery and Charger at Walmart.
 
similar?

https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=78773&hilit=80v
 
I'm getting them cheap @ half price here in oz as the chain that sells them is sinking, all the mowers and blowers are sold out, they are left with surplus batts. The battery manufacture dates are this year as well so it's not old stock.

I'd buy more sept i know in a few years when these wear out batt tech will be again leaps and bounds ahead. :)
 
There is a fair bit of space to be saved, I relocated the BMS ontop and I cut off the long contact pins. As u can see a good 4cm saving.

Looking at putting a thermometer in the pack, that's if the CA v3 supports two ?

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Getting closer, just need to wire it up. I'm going to mount a temp sensor in the pack before I seal it, should give me an idea on temps when under stress.

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That Kobalt pack is not just similar. It is the same pack. Last year Kobalt, which is a Lowes house brand, was getting their cordless tools from somebody else. Now they appear to be getting them from Greenworks, as is Briggs & Stratton for their Snapper brand.

[edit] Oops! I didn't follow that link far enough down the page. I'm not sure who makes their 24 volt stuff.
 
Jestronix said:
Do they parallel charge and discharge ? They sure do :) I charged two at once off the Kobalt charger @ 300 watts.

When you paralleled against the Kobalt charger, did you parallell the 3rd pinout as well (+, -, and other)?
 
misterb said:
Jestronix said:
Do they parallel charge and discharge ? They sure do :) I charged two at once off the Kobalt charger @ 300 watts.

When you paralleled against the Kobalt charger, did you parallell the 3rd pinout as well (+, -, and other)?

Yep, all pins parallel , that was two units , will test all four tomorrow
 
anyone know if you can bulk charge the tool packs (with bms in place)? let's say I took 10 x 24v 2ah packs and created one big 48v 10ah pack, could I then use a charger set to ~50V against the large pack?
 
misterb said:
anyone know if you can bulk charge the tool packs (with bms in place)? let's say I took 10 x 24v 2ah packs and created one big 48v 10ah pack, could I then use a charger set to ~50V against the large pack?

Ok some more testing this morning , so u simply have to have one of the packs fully connected and only pos neg on the other packs, it then simply looks at the first pack. It then charges all the packs. As my packs are all in parallel they all charge to what ever the first pack goes to. 83.2 my pack went to. All cells across all packs checked out and do charge.
 
attached the new pack and controller as a test with some cable ties. its a tight fit and had to remove some gears on the crank to make it fit, will have to shave a little off the ends to make turning better. bit bigger than my old pack, but 18650 with no spot welding :) no more constant balancing and fiddling with RC lipo packs. good for 80amps at 80v. Only issue i can see is if one of the packs gets slack. Other issue is my cables to access each pack are diff length, so i may end up pulling from first pack more due to resistance. may have to make the packs wires the same length


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Pack is up and running, took it for an 80a 220 phase run tonight, seems pretty good. Certainly they put out their 20a , sag was a little high though at 74 it dropped to 65v at 80amps, delivering 5Kw , I'd say the BMS may be introducing some drop, I may bypass the BMS at some point, the balance board is seperate so it shouldn't impact balance, I'll still use BMS for charging.

Overall these packs do well, they are fairly big even with cover removed as they have spacing between the cells and the BMS and balance boards.

Still I didn't have to buy a spot welder :) and didn't solder 160 times .
 
Ok so the BMS on each pack seems to be playing up and my charger won't charge them, so... I'm going to look at building a pack from the cells , I want to reduce the space also.
 
The pack begins , it will be 33s and 3P , 138v @ 60 amp , around 8kw and 800wh of energy. Battery will be 66cm long ! It will run the entire bottom bar length, and allow for a low profile and stealth look. I've left the tabs on so I can solder to them with ease.


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Masters just pushed these packs up to 190, what gives ? As soon as they started their closing down sale, these packs near doubled in price, glad I bought mine. I did hear of Bunnings selling the for $50 at one point, thats 20x 2ah cells rated for 20a continuous for the price is sweet.
 
I balance charge every time, with a una9 , perfect balance every day. When I charge it shows each cell before I start, I can see if I have a bad or lazy cell, they are never out of balance even when I completely drain them.
 
Totally new to this, but I would like to use by Kobalt 80V batteries. What motor do you run? Can you recommend a mid - mount motor that would work similar?
Thanks!
 
cnbro said:
Totally new to this, but I would like to use by Kobalt 80V batteries. What motor do you run? Can you recommend a mid - mount motor that would work similar?
Thanks!
Not many mid mounts will take 80v, I run Mxus 3k rear hub.
 
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