bigmoose
1 MW
Doc I looked at the eBay ad, and at the top he says perfect with tabs; but lower down he also says Attention no tabs... it is interesting, and I wonder what would ship? He may be covered either way with this ambiguous ad.
A123 20AH cells source?
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Doctorbass
100 GW
bigmoose said:
I know ... it is confusing... and make a doubt about this seller...
Just like what happened with the nanotech lipo few weeks ago with the ebay seller that was 100% rating and that finally frauded everyone on E-S that bought from him.. including me... :lol: Fortunately we was refunded by paypal...
Doc
SlyCayer
100 W
mistercrash said:Cibouère Jean-Claude! Kaziment $56 piasses pour une cell?!? Pi tu baisses même pas l'prix quand on veut en ach'té plusieur dans l'style de 100 peut-être comme tsé?!? Étu malada sti?! Pi après ça l'monde se d'mande poukoi qu'on achète pu Canadien clisse!
LoL, j'espere que tu naise, j'espere que ter pas serieux la?
qui ta dit que le prix baisse pas avec quantiter? Tu ma tu envoyer un email or un PM pour me demander un prix de volume mon chum, si tu lit keser j'ai ecrie, ser clairment ecrie "one at a time"
Donc pour personne qui veut avoir seulement 4 cells ou etc, ou juste les tester, il son la au prix que tu a la.
Meme les Chinois peuvent pas t'envoyer une cell pour $56.00.
En passant, pour le "achète pu Canadien clisse", je trouve sa pomale deplacer, keser chter faite a toe calisse? Ta pogner un anger management spasm ou quoi?
Oui il son chere pour une a la foit, mais dit toi que tu a une protection et il son toute tester pour 19.3+Ah et il on les FULL TABS.
Merci mon cher mistercrash
.mistercrash
10 kW
En promotion à $55.72 chaque. Jusqu'a la fin du mois de juin. Normalement $99.99. C'est ça que ça dit pas vrai? J'en met 100 dans mon ''shopping cart'' et le total est de $5572.00 avant le shipping. Il est ou le prix spécial pour les grosse quantité? Ya pas de message qui me dit de te contacter pour un prix spécial. Comme tu dis, le prix qui est là est le prix qui est là. Cafake frustres toé tant que tu voudras avec mes commentaires que tu trouve déplacés, J'crois pas à ça le ''political correctness''. Pi j'te souhaite ben du succès ek ta business en outillage mon chum.
Harold in CR
100 kW
Que' te Pasa con Englis' ???
ohzee
100 kW
Yea what he said lol
mistercrash
10 kW
Sorry 'bout dat. lol
In English:
SlyCayer links to his A123 cells that he sells one at a time.
Me replies: (French swear word) Jean-Claude, almost 56 bucks for one cell! And the price doesn't even go down when I try to get 100 of them like?! Are you mad (French swear word)?! And then some wonder why we don't buy Canadien (French swear word).
SlyCayer replies: I hope you're kidding, you're not serious right? Who told you that the price did not go down with quantity? Did you contact me by email or PM to ask for a bulk buy price there buddy? If you read what I wrote it is clear that it says ''one at a time''. So for someone who wants just four cells for testing, they are there at the price advertised. Even from China you can't get one cell for $56. And you're comment about not buying Canadien is uncalled for. What did I do to you (French swear word)? Did you get an anger management spasm or somethin'? Yes they are expensive for one at a time but you get a protection and they're all tested to 19.3+AH and they have full tabs.
Me replies: On promotion for $55.72 each. Until the end of June. Regular price $99.99. That's what it says right? I put 100 in my shopping cart and the total price is $5572.00 before shipping. Where is the special pricing for bulk buying? There's no message anywhere to contact you for a special price. Like you said, they are there at the price advertised. So you can get mad at my comments if you want, I don't believe in political correctness. And I wish you plenty of succes with your tooling company buddy.
So there you go, that is what the French dudes were talking about :lol: 8)
In English:
SlyCayer links to his A123 cells that he sells one at a time.
Me replies: (French swear word) Jean-Claude, almost 56 bucks for one cell! And the price doesn't even go down when I try to get 100 of them like?! Are you mad (French swear word)?! And then some wonder why we don't buy Canadien (French swear word).
SlyCayer replies: I hope you're kidding, you're not serious right? Who told you that the price did not go down with quantity? Did you contact me by email or PM to ask for a bulk buy price there buddy? If you read what I wrote it is clear that it says ''one at a time''. So for someone who wants just four cells for testing, they are there at the price advertised. Even from China you can't get one cell for $56. And you're comment about not buying Canadien is uncalled for. What did I do to you (French swear word)? Did you get an anger management spasm or somethin'? Yes they are expensive for one at a time but you get a protection and they're all tested to 19.3+AH and they have full tabs.
Me replies: On promotion for $55.72 each. Until the end of June. Regular price $99.99. That's what it says right? I put 100 in my shopping cart and the total price is $5572.00 before shipping. Where is the special pricing for bulk buying? There's no message anywhere to contact you for a special price. Like you said, they are there at the price advertised. So you can get mad at my comments if you want, I don't believe in political correctness. And I wish you plenty of succes with your tooling company buddy.
So there you go, that is what the French dudes were talking about :lol: 8)
Harold in CR
100 kW
GRACIAS, Sen'or. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Doctorbass
100 GW
That is becoming interesting reading :lol: 8)
Let's find some popcorn 8)
No joke, the people we contacted on diyelectriccar for their motorcycle or car projects usually get them at 35-40$ average in the last few month.
It's hard work to distribute them and it is normal that people want some profit too, but there is good price and there is bad price per cell
just be carefull :wink:
The history of sales and confidence people have in regard of these sellers is a great clue.
Doc
Let's find some popcorn 8)
No joke, the people we contacted on diyelectriccar for their motorcycle or car projects usually get them at 35-40$ average in the last few month.
It's hard work to distribute them and it is normal that people want some profit too, but there is good price and there is bad price per cell
just be carefull :wink:
The history of sales and confidence people have in regard of these sellers is a great clue.
Doc
SlyCayer
100 W
Doctorbass said:
In all honesty, we got screwed, we bought our 500 cells about 10 days before OSN and other sellers started selling at $18.00~.
We paid exactly $51.85 CAD shipped to our door, let me do a few calculations for you.
PayPal fee (2.98% - 4.00$) 51.85 * 1.0298 = $53.39 CAD - $55.72 CAD = $2.33 profit left for us to test, verify and pack cells that you would purchase, this is our break even.
I was the one to tell the boss there was a possibility to make some money(10% before we just reduced to $55.72 CAD(they we're $62.99)), and now he is putting pressure on getting this stuff out.
I am sorry, if you feel we are making millions selling these, your wrong.
I was offered $18.00 USD each from OSN Power after I emailed them about this stupid price reduction and I refused to buy more because it wouldn't of brought my cost down low enough to even be competitive to A123RC.com at $31.99 USD each...
Also, your right about our shopping cart not giving a discount on 100, to get quantity prices you would need to be logged in and we would have to make your account a "reseller account", our website is not really setup for large quantity buyings because normally tool buyers aren't buying 100 kits or 100 batteries, but we do have resellers that do buy a lot.
Anyways, take care.
SlyCayer
100 W
poirot89 said:
999zip999
100 TW
I will have some american fries please.
Doctorbass
100 GW
SlyCayer said:
That's interesting.. so you got them SHIPPED to your door at 51.85$. What was the net price you paid for since now they are at 18$ net?
Doc
SlyCayer
100 W
Doc,
Shipping was $3.35 per cell, $48.50 USD was the net price, and at the time of the purchase, Canadian Dollar was almost par to the USD...
Don't get me wrong, this buy has taught me a lesson, but the lesson was to wait, but can't always wait.
I even paid $58 and some change for my personal 125 cells that I had bought about 1 month before I gave reselling a shot...
Shipping was $3.35 per cell, $48.50 USD was the net price, and at the time of the purchase, Canadian Dollar was almost par to the USD...
Don't get me wrong, this buy has taught me a lesson, but the lesson was to wait, but can't always wait.
I even paid $58 and some change for my personal 125 cells that I had bought about 1 month before I gave reselling a shot...
Doctorbass
100 GW
SlyCayer said:
Ok so now what that mean is that the cells can be bought at 18$ + 3.35$ = 21.35$ shipped to your door?
Doc
SlyCayer
100 W
Doctorbass said:
Yes, I could of bought them for that a few months back... Remember, that shipping was for 500 cells all at once shipped on a pallet.
Ishikawa
10 W
Please allow me to butt in. You can not sell your battery at lower price because the price you paid was high. Is that right? There is a way to reduce your purchase price. This is well known to financial trade technique. Here, how you do it. You buy another 500 unit at $18. Now you have 1000 unit which cost average of $35. If you buy another 500 @ $18, cost average is $29. So on. It's called dilution, or cost average. Initial 500 unit cost will be diluted down to near new price. Now, if you can sell all unit (demand) or you can afford is another question.
SlyCayer
100 W
Ishikawa said:
That's what I was going to do, but when your not the boss and it's not your money you cannot take that chance.
When they offered the $18.00 per cell, I was thinking of getting another 1500 to get my cost approx ~26.00 USD, but we will not hold our cash flow on A123 Cells.
mistercrash
10 kW
Pity 'cause at $26 dollars, with guaranty that they are truly 19.3AH+ and full tabs, AND the fact that they already are in Canada which means you don't get screwed with taxes and customs, now that would be interesting.
SlyCayer
100 W
mistercrash said:
Well, who said they would be guaranteed at that price? We wouldn't make 1$ of profit on the cells and have to provide a full warranty, full testing and couldn't charge taxes?
Now, that's fair, I hear a lot of people complaining that A123 should let the hobbyist get cells from them directly, but from what I can see if nobody can make money if we go by you mistercrash, we have to work for free and warranty product without receiving 1 benefit. Ask yourself why A123 doesn't want to distribute directly, maybe because you would not let them make 1 dime?
bigmoose
1 MW
I have been thinking through this "glut" of A123 prismatics lately. If it is a production "dump", there is a coming shortage, with subsequent price rise, as this bubble works it's way through the system and there is no resupply from A123 to refill the pipeline.
Just a thought. All depends if this is production going to China, or a "dump."
Just a thought. All depends if this is production going to China, or a "dump."
SlyCayer
100 W
bigmoose said:
It could also be that A123 wants to implement their new technology into these prismatic also, just like they did on the 26650, ANR26650M1-B @ 2.5Ah, in comparison they could make the AMP20s ~21Ah, that's if they use the same technology they used in their new 8% more Capacity cells(26650).
mistercrash
10 kW
SlyCayer said:
Seriously, Ishikawa gave you a good financial solution and you said that it was your plan to do it. But your boss doesn't want to make the investment, I was commenting that if you were to succeed in that plan and dilute the price of your first 500 cells enough so that selling at $26/cell would yield a profit for you then it would become very interesting for everyone, buyer (us) and seller (you). No need to bite my head off and blame the fact that A123 doesn't sell to hobbyists because of me. Sorry for the situation you are in with those A123s but I'm not the cause. This bickering is not relevant anyway so I'm done. Good luck.
SlyCayer
100 W
mistercrash said:
I said my cost down would of been $26.00 each, where would the profit be at $26.00 selling price?
Mistercrash, no hard feelings, I am only explaining that it would be unfair for us if we had to sell for that price.
I am pretty sure these AMP20 might go up in price sooner or later and when they do A123RC.com will put the price up and then I can sell a few(I hope).
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