A123 to be acquired by Wanxiang Group

Jeremy, what in the world happened to the UK? The approximate GDP of Italy? I was astounded!

Intelligence community sees US out of role as sole superpower by 2030
http://www.politico.com/politico44/...nity-us-out-as-sole-superpower-by-151519.html

Basically the US/EU are toast at the hands of the Asian rise. Look at the GDP data, from 2007 to 2010 China's GDP doubled, while US up 8%. Sort of a dooms day message. China, growing and agressive; US/EU trying to maintain what they have... these kinds of motivators don't end well for those on defense.
 
Oh gosh, i forget the link now, but i read an article where the asian nations got together and had a big conference very recently. The USA tried to sit at the table and was promptly told to go home. That says something to me.

China doesn't hold all of our debt, but they hold a lot of it. They are making large investments in military and working with countries that we have demonized, such as Iran. They are able to buy oil from countries that the USA has put sanctions on or otherwise crippled. That's a big advantage. They also didn't design their country around the idea of an infinite oil supply; modern China is very urban and this means that the average person will be far less energy dependent than us. When energy supply limits are hit, they will be in a favorable position.

They really don't have the same baggage that westerners have, which has really been dragging us down for a long time. While America is blowing ~50% of it's discretionary budget on a witch hunt that aims to kill every terrorist on the planet, China's putting that money into investing in industry, building new urban centers, and making alliances with countries who have lots of resources. Who do you think wins over the long run?
 
China has to have those relationships, they don't have the resources to maintain their current rate of growth. Either way, oil supply is probably not going to be play a significant additional limiting factor in the near future (20yrs). Even if it does, it will have a net zero effect on our economy because we have energy resources.

The resource that China is most likely going to be constrained by is young workers. They are top heavy in the demographics department and have no culture of immigration to stem the loss. Follow the parallels with Japan, and it pretty easy to see a stagnate China in 15-20 yrs.

This is totally off the wall, but I can see China entering into a conflict in the next 25yrs. Think about it, there is nothing better than old men like to do than plan wars.
 
China is in a race.
They must get rich before they get old.

USA is in a race.
The citizens must destroy the military industrial complex before it crashes the dollar.

You are in a race.
By seeking personal truth one can plainly see we critically need to achieve a planetary consciousness by creating a design-science revolution, or face extinction through nuclear war or environment degradation.
 
Two Questions:
1. Do you think we (the diy hobbyists) will now be able to buy A123 cells directly from the company?
2. Will GM still use A123 cells in their Chevy Spark EV?
 
jdbauman said:
Two Questions:
1. Do you think we (the diy hobbyists) will now be able to buy A123 cells directly from the company?
Unlikely. Sign my petition and when I get 100 signatures, I'm still willing to hand deliver to A123's corporate offices by ebike powered by AMP20 cells. Its for a factory window. Lots of factories have a way to buy direct. Maybe its more possible under new management. We should at least put the idea in their head.
2. Will GM still use A123 cells in their Chevy Spark EV?
No. They've move on after the bad experience with Fisker. It'll take a while the EV auto market to warm up to an A123 under new management.
 
flathill said:
China is in a race.
They must get rich before they get old.

USA is in a race.
The citizens must destroy the military industrial complex before it crashes the dollar.

You are in a race.
By seeking personal truth one can plainly see we critically need to achieve a planetary consciousness by creating a design-science revolution, or face extinction through nuclear war or environment degradation.

Obama is in a race. To destroy our economy completely in the 4 years he has left.

I am in a race. To get people to wise up and not think cute blather will save them. I know, I lost that race before I ever started.
 
bigmoose said:
Jeremy, what in the world happened to the UK? The approximate GDP of Italy? I was astounded!

Intelligence community sees US out of role as sole superpower by 2030
http://www.politico.com/politico44/...nity-us-out-as-sole-superpower-by-151519.html

Basically the US/EU are toast at the hands of the Asian rise. Look at the GDP data, from 2007 to 2010 China's GDP doubled, while US up 8%. Sort of a dooms day message. China, growing and agressive; US/EU trying to maintain what they have... these kinds of motivators don't end well for those on defense.

The UK is still resting on its laurels of once having owned half the world. We do not make anything, we are virtually a complete services industry which is a shame because we have some of the best brains on the planet for designing.

I personally am trying to make $500,000 so I can move to the US where I can at least be warm if I am poor and not covered in rain and grey cloud for the rest of my life lol.

But seriously we are a bit buggered due to the amount of money we borrow and more importantly how much we are printing! I firmly believe we are not in the EU mainly so that we can still print our own money!
 
Spacey said:
bigmoose said:
Jeremy, what in the world happened to the UK? The approximate GDP of Italy? I was astounded!

Intelligence community sees US out of role as sole superpower by 2030
http://www.politico.com/politico44/...nity-us-out-as-sole-superpower-by-151519.html

Basically the US/EU are toast at the hands of the Asian rise. Look at the GDP data, from 2007 to 2010 China's GDP doubled, while US up 8%. Sort of a dooms day message. China, growing and agressive; US/EU trying to maintain what they have... these kinds of motivators don't end well for those on defense.

The UK is still resting on its laurels of once having owned half the world. We do not make anything, we are virtually a complete services industry which is a shame because we have some of the best brains on the planet for designing.

I personally am trying to make $500,000 so I can move to the US where I can at least be warm if I am poor and not covered in rain and grey cloud for the rest of my life lol.

But seriously we are a bit buggered due to the amount of money we borrow and more importantly how much we are printing! I firmly believe we are not in the EU mainly so that we can still print our own money!

jee man U.K. is long time in EU just without euro :shock: Where do you live?? U.K. has salt mines and oil i suppose and some British cars for export ;)
 
Dauntless said:
flathill said:
China is in a race.
They must get rich before they get old.

USA is in a race.
The citizens must destroy the military industrial complex before it crashes the dollar.

You are in a race.
By seeking personal truth one can plainly see we critically need to achieve a planetary consciousness by creating a design-science revolution, or face extinction through nuclear war or environment degradation.

Obama is in a race. To destroy our economy completely in the 4 years he has left.

I am in a race. To get people to wise up and not think cute blather will save them. I know, I lost that race before I ever started.

Fair warning

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0WDFanLlgg
 
First, an insightful well written statement.

China is in a race.
They must get rich before they get old.

USA is in a race.
The citizens must destroy the military industrial complex before it crashes the dollar.

You are in a race.
By seeking personal truth one can plainly see we critically need to achieve a planetary consciousness by creating a design-science revolution, or face extinction through nuclear war or environment degradation.

And now a really stupid misinformed one.

Obama is in a race. To destroy our economy completely in the 4 years he has left.

I am in a race. To get people to wise up and not think cute blather will save them. I know, I lost that race before I ever started.

/politics
 
agniusm said:
Spacey said:
bigmoose said:
Jeremy, what in the world happened to the UK? The approximate GDP of Italy? I was astounded!

Intelligence community sees US out of role as sole superpower by 2030
http://www.politico.com/politico44/...nity-us-out-as-sole-superpower-by-151519.html

Basically the US/EU are toast at the hands of the Asian rise. Look at the GDP data, from 2007 to 2010 China's GDP doubled, while US up 8%. Sort of a dooms day message. China, growing and agressive; US/EU trying to maintain what they have... these kinds of motivators don't end well for those on defense.

The UK is still resting on its laurels of once having owned half the world. We do not make anything, we are virtually a complete services industry which is a shame because we have some of the best brains on the planet for designing.

I personally am trying to make $500,000 so I can move to the US where I can at least be warm if I am poor and not covered in rain and grey cloud for the rest of my life lol.

But seriously we are a bit buggered due to the amount of money we borrow and more importantly how much we are printing! I firmly believe we are not in the EU mainly so that we can still print our own money!

jee man U.K. is long time in EU just without euro :shock: Where do you live?? U.K. has salt mines and oil i suppose and some British cars for export ;)

I live in UK, sure it is a part member but we have not fully joined hence our own currency and ability to print "Quantative easing" our own money to pay our debts.
 
I'm not sure if Obama is in a race to destroy our country, but in his time, the debt has raised at double the rate than it did during the Bush Administration. This is due to being handed a major recession ( thus, less income for govt. ) and increasing spending in response ( because you know, Keynesian multiplier :lol: :lol: :lol: )

However, the republicans in the Obama administration have refused to stop increasing military spending, refused to cut medicare, social security, and on top of that, have fought raising taxes to pay for it all. The only thing they differ on fiscally is whether we should start new programs ( that we can't pay for ) or not. But ultimately, the two sides have collectively pushed us past 'Greece' territory when it comes to debt and financial insolvency. Neither side has had good ideas.

But >98% of voters put these people who have failed to manage our country properly back into office. So who do you point the finger at? 125.5 million people, plus the couple thousand holding federal seats? It's not one man destroying the country, it's a very very long line of men ( and women ) that your fellow citizen put into office..

How 'bout some data?

debt%20per%20capita%202011-05-56188.php


http://www.presidentialdebt.org/

^--- here's some information on 'debt per president'. Note that there was only one year since 1976 ( which was 2000, during the dot com boom ) when this number actually went down.

At the peak of the housing market bubble ( 2006 ), we were still accruing debt during that year. The Bush administration wasn't conservative with their spending, even while they had far more $ coming in as tax revenue.

Food-Stamps-Yearly.jpg


http://www.trivisonno.com/food-stamps-charts

Obama and his lapdogs in the media might boast about the unemployment rate dropping, but they are lying by omission. Unemployment has gone down because less people are looking for jobs, likely because they've given up. 1/6th of America is on food stamps and other government aid now.

You could point the finger at Obama, but how about this guy who left office obscuring facts, lying by omission, and throwing money everywhere trying to bail out banks, the car companies, and other groups? The same guy who's administration avoided repeated calls for intervention by the securities and exchange commision?

[youtube]YsDmPEeurfA[/youtube]

^-- here is Bush trying to explain how TARP will save us from a recession.

Are we done supporting these kinds of dishonest people? according to the 2012 election results, we are not.
 
Dauntless said:
Obama is in a race. To destroy our economy completely in the 4 years he has left.

I am in a race. To get people to wise up and not think cute blather will save them. I know, I lost that race before I ever started.

You know, Obama may be a villain or only a fool-- but you, sir, are an idiot.
 
Spacey said:
I personally am trying to make $500,000 so I can move to the US where I can at least be warm if I am poor and not covered in rain and grey cloud for the rest of my life lol.

Belize. Cheaper and nicer.
 
If you want to know about the next great American give away see California Lithium Battery, a subsidary of a Chinese front company Ionex and Calib Power Inc. (a quasi-China government company, like a retail outlet for China Aviation Lithium Battery)

Argonne National Laboratory gave them Gen3 silicon-graphene tech and is working alongside them on commercialization. I've contacted Argonne but they have refused any to release any info on the license or work sharing agreement. If you do some reasearch you will find Ionex is own by Thundersky. Yes fukcing Thundersky! Ever wonder why the hell Winston Chung of Winston (thundersky) Batteries Commits to a $10 Million Gift to UC Riverside? Who the hell is he?

early April 2012:

Hello,
> >
> > I'm interested in know exactly what technology was
> licensed by 'California Lithium Battery'. I see they
> licensed Si-graphene anodes from work done at the Pacific
> Northwest Lab and also recently entered into a WFO
> agreement. When was the ANL Si-graphene process available to
> license? I would like to see both the WFO and licensing
> agreements in full. This information should be easily
> accessible to the public.
---------------------------------
thank you for your inquiry and
> interest in battery technology.
> >
> > Please contact California Lithium Battery (http://www.clbattery.com) to obtain the information you
> inquired about. The CEO is Phil Roberts and his phone is 562
> 243-1800.
--------------------------
Thanks for telling me the obvious. Does ANL not have this
> information publicly available to US citizens funding the
> research? Why would I get this information from the private
> company under investigation?
>
> Please provide me with contact with someone at the lab who
> can provide copies of the license and WFO agreements to
> California Lithium Battery. I have been able to find other
> ANL license agreements online but not this one.
-------------------------------------------------
If you wish to clarify your request, I might be able to help
> with other information. Or you can file a FOIA request to
> DOE if desired.
-----------------------------------------------------
Hey Terry,

I understand Argonne LLC is not a government agency and if I filled an FOIA request I would be denied on those grounds (documents are protected by a FOIA exemption for trade secrets and commercial or financial information, Gilmore v. DOE, 4 F.Supp.2d 912, 916-24 N.D. Cal. 1998).

All I really want to start with is a copy of the license agreement. If I can't have I copy then all I want is to know which technology was available for license and when. I also want details of the exclusive and non exclusive rights. I also want to know what the definition of very large format battery is. Is a license still available for small format batteries? I also want to know if the license agreement specifies where the batteries must be manufactured and for how long.
-------------------------------
NOTHING


recently:
California Lithium Battery (CLB), a finalist in Department of Energy’s 2012 Start Up America’s Next Top Energy Innovator challenge, has announced the record-setting performance of its new lithium ion battery anode.

Called the “GEN3” the anode is a silicon graphene composite material engineered with Argonne National Laboratory (ANL) over the past eight months. Independent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! test results in full cell lithium ion batteries indicate the new GEN3 anode material, used with advanced cathode and electrolyte materials, increases energy density by a stunning 3 times and specific anode capacity by an astonishing 4 times over existing lithium ion batteries.

The new performance level comes from a new lithium battery anode material for use with advanced cathode and electrolyte materials. The press release performance characteristic quotes are an energy density of 525WH/Kg and specific anode capacity of 1,250mAh/g.

The performance quotes compare to today’s common commercial offerings at a density of between 100-180WH/kg and a specific anode capacity of 325mAh/g.

An understandably pumped CLB CEO, Phil Roberts, said, “This equates to more than a 300% improvement in lithium ion battery capacity and an estimated 70% reduction in lifetime cost for batteries used in consumer electronics, EVs, and grid-scale energy storage.”

AND YES THE BATTERIES LAST 2000+ CYCLES WITH FULL DISCHARGE
 
I'm very hopeful, but I wouldn't get too excited yet, it says it "may be in commercial production by 2014".

I seem to recall in 2008, 2009, 2010, etc seeing many claims to be in production of silicon anode material by 2011, 2012 etc.

In the battery world, when somebody picks a date 2 years out and says that's when they will be in production with the next big break-through, it's generally turns out being little more than a ploy for luring investors. (Not saying this one couldn't be the next big thing, just saying historically the 3x,5x,10x breakthrough claims turn out to be little more than investor lures.)

However, for the last decade or so, I keep my fingers crossed everyday that one of the "next big break-through!" type press releases from a battery company will end up amounting to something. I couldn't care less who or what country ends up making it, I just want it to be made and made in quantities big enough to change the world of transportation. We're at a point with most EV's now where a tripling of range would really just end any rational persons argument over EV range limitation concerns. Or at least the concerns start to get pretty petty sounding, like: "Ohh, but the Tesla with the 250kWh pack only does 1,000miles on a charge, one time driving cross-country I drove more than 1,000miles without stopping." I think at that point most people would be like, who cares, 1,000mile range is good for 99.999% of all your driving, rent a gas car for the twice-a-lifetime you need to travel over 1,000miles without stopping, or just stop at a hotel with a fast EV charge station and relax for a night.
 
everyone's imagination is restricted by the long era of cheap oil. instead of thinking of how an EV has to make some 1,000 miles run, imagine the EV is loaded onto a tractor trailer or trailer that is then spot loaded onto a rail carriage, the occupants can ride in special cabins on the transporter, transporter stops at their exit from the freeway and unloads them and picks up another, or dead heads further and picks up or drops off another further along.

the transporter tactor trailer can run from LNG now that they have developed a 11.7 L diesel that runs on natural gas. a fuel which costs about 15% of crude on a btu basis.
 
totally agree with

I personally dont give a shite where it is made but I still dont like outsiders coming in and frocking with my part of spaceship earth. we all own it but the west coast is under my protection.

anarchy requires an educated populace. we arent there yet. the state will crush you

see silent weapons for secret wars pdf
basically you shock the economy to find the control levers
the plan all along has been to default
we still got the most gold
usa citizen for now
 
flathill said:
see silent weapons for secret wars pdf
basically you shock the economy to find the control levers
the plan all along has been to default
we still got the most gold
usa citizen for now

wat?
 
If they were handing out the next big breakthrough in cathode material, then I would have a problem. But Anode? Hey, if they are able to make a better anode then great. Most of the graphite comes from China. It is nasty to mine, leads to air pollution with the fine dust produced, heavy metal contamination of the soil...not something the US chooses to mine. Synthetic sure, but mining? No. So...If we are able to produce some anode material, which could replace the graphite anode in most batteries, even if something less than the entire profit was coming back to this company in America... great. Better than nothing.

Is it 300% better than graphite? Or 300% better overall? What does it do to the life of the cell, etc?
 
Headfake redirect search
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Weapons_for_Quiet_Wars

Real deal

http://ia600402.us.archive.org/10/items/SilentWeaponsForQuietWars_75/SWQW.pdf

most of you steaks wont cant even read 47 pages
 
Everyone Is Entitled To Their Own Opinion, But Not Their Own Facts.

Andje said:
And now a really stupid misinformed one.

Chalo said:
You know, Obama may be a villain or only a fool-- but you, sir, are an idiot.

And the fact is, you two are made for each other, while I am made for better things than you two.

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.
-Winston Churchill
 
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