A123 to be acquired by Wanxiang Group

[Dauntless]

I dream the dream of the Boxer recall. . . .

Sorry for your dreams that will never come true there. Boxer is a beloved member of the deep blue California and will be a Senator for just about as long as she pleases. I am sure that can annoy some of those behind the Orange curtain. :lol:

Yes, e-, I think they were getting my point about too many drunk voters to ever oust the politicians who cause all the problems, but thank you for chiming in to confirm that. In fact, you making the point that she merely does as she pleases by insulting generals who are struggling to be polite to her regardless, plus bouncing so many of her personal checks from that government bank that the government is obligated to cover for her, but STILL she has the love and support of those such as yourself really did help to further prove me RIGHT!

Be happy! One of these days I'll get a copy of that radio interview where she cackled and laughed about how much she loved anything the government forced on people that they didn't want to do and will post it up here. You'd like that, wouldn't you?

 

[e-beach]

Yes, e-, I think they were getting my point about too many drunk voters to ever oust the politicians who cause all the problems, but thank you for chiming in to confirm that. In fact, you making the point that she merely does as she pleases by insulting generals who are struggling to be polite to her regardless, plus bouncing so many of her personal checks from that government bank that the government is obligated to cover for her, but STILL she has the love and support of those such as yourself really did help to further prove me RIGHT!

Be happy! One of these days I'll get a copy of that radio interview where she cackled and laughed about how much she loved anything the government forced on people that they didn't want to do and will post it up here. You'd like that, wouldn't you?

Touched a nerve did I? :lol:

BTW Texas voters drink lots.

A Senator is a higher pay grade then a General. Calling her Ma'am like she was some lady on the street was insulting in that is did not respect her position which is higher then a General. Civilians control the military, not the other way around. The generals just didn't like the way Senator Boxer, while on the House Armed Services Committee passed legislation tightening military procurement rules.

The checks were not bouncing until little Geroge w. decimated President Clinton tax code.
Orange County went for little George w.......twice.

You don't need me to prove you are on the right....you do a fine job of that your self.

Happy as a clam. :lol:

 

[Dauntless]

Touched a nerve did I? :lol:

Uh, save that self touching talk for that chat room you paid to join for the night. The only one interested is the. . . .

BTW Texas voters drink lots.

Uh, OH!

Calling her Ma'am like she was some lady on the street was insulting in that is did not respect her position which is higher then a General.

Uh, NOOOOO! Actually he was doing it just right. Boxer's behavior was petulant and just plain BAD. More proof she should go.

The checks were not bouncing until little Geroge w. decimated President Clinton tax code.

Uh, No, no, a thousand times no, Clinton was not even president yet! How much did you say you had to drink?

Orange County went for little George w.......twice.

Uh, SO????

You don't need me to prove you are on the right....you do a fine job of that your self.

Uh, we KNOW!

Happy as a clam. :lol:

Ho ho ho. . . .

 

[e-beach]

I dream the dream of the Boxer recall. . . .

BTW D, I forget to remind you that there is no recall provision for a sitting US senator. But take heart, artical 1, section 5, clause 2 of our constitution does provide for expulsion of members of the senate by 2/3 vote of the body.

But here is the thing, Senator Boxer is so beloved and trusted by the current leadership in the US Senate that Senator Reid has given her the Chair of not one, but two of the US senates 20 committees.

Sorry buddy, does not look like expulsion any time soon. Other then that you will need to wait until she is up for re-election in about 4 years.

And if you still want to dream of a recall...well, if a man wants to dream, "dream big" I say!

Until then...sweet dreams!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdBaZk-Ovts

 

[Dauntless]

Darn. And here California has been identified as one of 18 states that CAN recall a U.S. Senator, starting more than 3 years ago when the idea was to remove some people who might vote for Obamacare. Still all sorts of comments about it to be found, but no real details.

The 18 states allowing for recall are as follows: Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Georgia, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, New Jersey, North Dakota, Oregon, Rhode Island, Washington and Wisconsin.

I guess you've been forgetting to remind everyone else all this time.

Oh, by the way, 20 years of seniority and "Beloved" are two different things when it comes to chairmanships.

 

[e-beach]

Darn. And here California has been identified as one of 18 states that CAN recall a U.S. Senator....

Identified by whom...Fox news. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Where in the US constitution does it provide for a recall of a US senator?

 

[Dauntless]

Identified by whom...Fox news. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Where in the US constitution does it provide for a recall of a US senator?

If you want to know the position Fox News takes, ask them.

And if you want to know what's in the Constitution, (Starting with an upper case letter) it doesn't have to say anything there, but take it from a literacy lover:

 

[e-beach]

If you want to know the position Fox News takes, ask them.

And if you want to know what's in the Constitution, (Starting with an upper case letter) it doesn't have to say anything there, but take it from a literacy lover.

Changing the subject doesn't help D. There is no recall provision for a US senator. That is why you couldn't find it. Looks like your dream has become a nightmare.

 

[999zip999]

England kick out Murdock and his trash paper we need to give him the same kick and Fox news. Fair and balance is the first clue of a lie. As you got to believe me. Pure gutter. Only for the sheep.

 

[neptronix]

England kick out Murdock and his trash paper we need to give him the same kick and Fox news. Fair and balance is the first clue of a lie. As you got to believe me. Pure gutter. Only for the sheep.

Excellent thinking! while you're at it, let's get rid of CNN, MSNBC, ABC, LA Times, New York Times, and all other corrupt media that perpetrates falsehoods and lies by omission as well.

Can't piss on the second amendment without getting some drops on the first amendment.

 

[e-beach]

Excellent thinking! while you're at it, let's get rid of CNN, MSNBC, ABC, LA Times, New York Times, and all other corrupt media that perpetrates falsehoods and lies by omission as well.

Common-now! The LA Times is now owned by the very conservative Tribune Co. Have you read their editorial section lately? Besides, falsehoods and lies by omission can be empirically tested through viewership / readership polling.

Snip......
A poll by Farleigh Dickinson University in New Jersey showed that of all the news channels out there, Fox News viewers are the least informed. People were asked questions about news habits and current events in a statewide poll of 600 New Jersey residents recently. Results showed that viewers of Sunday morning news shows were the most informed about current events, while Fox News viewers were the least informed. In fact, FDU poll results showed they were even less informed than those who say they don’t watch any news at all....:lol:

Readers of The New York Times, USA Today and listeners to National Public Radio were better informed about international events than other media outlets.....snip

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapo...s-uninformed-npr-listeners-not-poll-suggests/

 

[neptronix]

From your article:

The kicker is that MSNBC didn’t do all that much better. In one question, some 11% of MSNBC viewers actually believed that Occupy Wall Street protesters were Republicans compared to just 3% of Fox viewers.

And on that note, it depends on the questions they were asked. Go read Russia Times or Al Jezeera for a few hours and ask yourself how much of that was reported by any of the major news outlets from the United States.

 

[e-beach]

..... Go read Russia Times or Al Jezeera for a few hours and ask yourself how much of that was reported by any of the major news outlets from the United States.

Been-there, done-that...many many times. The NY Times having been punked by Judith Miller and all.

 

[Dauntless]

If you want to know the position Fox News takes, ask them.

And if you want to know what's in the Constitution, (Starting with an upper case letter) it doesn't have to say anything there, but take it from a literacy lover.

Changing the subject doesn't help D. There is no recall provision for a US senator. That is why you couldn't find it. Looks like your dream has become a nightmare.

I DIDN'T change the subject, I RESPONDED to it. You sure are reliable when it comes to being wrong, I can depend on you for that. If you want to know what's in the Constitution, READING is FUNdamental.(Starting to think there's more letters that need capitalizing in your case.) No Constitutional provision for removing a senator is necessary to remove a senator. OOPS! But go ahead and search and reassure yourself. (Er, you DO read, right? I mean that's not why you're looking for someone else to do your reading for you that you know you should be reading for yourself, is it?)

..... Go read Russia Times or Al Jezeera for a few hours and ask yourself how much of that was reported by any of the major news outlets from the United States.

Been-there, done-that...many many times.

And yet you can't be bothered to read the Constitution, eh? Things are coming in focus.

 

[e-beach]

I DIDN'T change the subject, I RESPONDED to it.

That's right. By changing the subject away from your nightmare aka, Senator Boxer. :lol:

Sorry that the whole thing has made you feel so fundaMENTAL.

 

[999zip999]

Love it We have this trash forum. Just rants. Like watching a train wreck.

 

[e-beach]

Love it We have this trash forum. Just rants. Like watching a train wreck.

Ok, only when there is nothing to go over re the OP.

So what is the news on A123 today? Well, about the same as yesterday....

Wanxiang is still the highest bidder, Johnson Controls is still suing for a "breakup fee and expense reimbursement previously approved by the court."

And, "The Wanxiang deal is still subject to review by the Committee on Foreign Investment in the U.S., when a takeover may give a foreign owner control of a U.S. company."

In other words, wait and see.........

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...appeals-a123-bankruptcy-sale-to-wanxiang.html

Until then, a little trash talking with my brothers from the other side of the aisle provides a bit of entertainment.

 

[999zip999]

We need to join togethere and go the streets like the 60's.

 

[e-beach]

We need to join togethere and go the streets like the 60's.

In regards to stopping oil as our main means of powering our transportation, I am all the way with you on that.
Been tin the streets before as well. Problem is, it doesn't always work. And, the "lame street media" aka the media owned by rich people usually won't present the protesters in a "good light." even if the majority of the country agrees with the protestors. Then you have to make your own media. That takes time and money.

During the Bush war years I shot video on days in Los Angeles when we had over 100,000 people in the streets; In San Fransisco when we had 150,000 in the streets and New York when we had 500,000 in the streets all trying to stop the war in Iraq and get rid of Little George w. It didn't work except maybe to get Pres. Obama elected.

The 99%-ers were actually making nice progress until the powers-that-be started having them all arrested.

Here are a few vids I produced, directed, shot and edited during protests in Los Angeles during the little George w. war years. I have many more, they are now archived.

Have a peek if you are at all interested.



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[neptronix]

Oh occupy.
I was a part of that for a few weeks until it went from the 'end the fed/the wars' crowd to the 'forgive my student loan' crowd. I sincerely thought that the critical mass of people would make a dent in our political system, except it ended up making a mockery of itself and falling apart. And yes, cops beat the shit out of people in big cities... made up new laws on the spot to hinder occupy.. also, occupy decided that the best way to govern itself was via democracy. I got to see why democracy doesn't work on a small scale. The collective of the people made very poor decisions, which lead to it's demise in many areas. And with internal political battles, a harsh winter, and police brutality, it fell apart.

I heard protesting Vietnam in back in the day was just as big of a deal, if not bigger. I wish Americans would protest all the imperialism we're doing abroad today like that though. Not to make a dent ( did the Vietnam protesters really make a dent? ), but to show me that this country's decency is still alive.

 

[e-beach]

I heard protesting Vietnam in back in the day was just as big of a deal, if not bigger. I wish Americans would protest all the imperialism we're doing abroad today like that though. Not to make a dent ( did the Vietnam protesters really make a dent? ), but to show me that this country's decency is still alive.

Vietnam protests did make a dent in that they shorted the war via political pressure. Vietnam protest were bigger in big city's, but Occupy was more spread out. Vietnam protestors also moved political philosophy in all sorts of ways. And in a sick sort of way, It finally re-emerged with the neo-cons, whom never served in the armed services, but were hell bound in their determination to show that might was right and to also overcome the feeling of being steamrolled by the Vietnam peace movement of the 1960's and '70's. (Rumsfeld served, none of the other core neo-cons did.)

Oh protest! I have seen a bunch of them.

Forgot about this one. Here is a short one I did for Occupy LA with Robert Reich.

[youtube]mpXJEQ8WXUA[/youtube]

 

[Dauntless]

Love it We have this trash forum. Just rants. Like watching a train wreck.

I feel like I'm predicting one. When he can't tell the difference between changing the subject and responding to it, basically he comes right off the rails. On schedule.

Oh occupy.
. . . .it ended up making a mockery of itself and falling apart. . . The collective of the people made very poor decisions, which lead to it's demise in many areas. And with internal political battles, a harsh winter, and police brutality, it fell apart.

Those poor decisions being shoplifting, extortion, shootouts in the camps? There was actually considerable tolerance for them until they wore out their welcome. This whole above the law attitude, no no, instead of 'Occupy' they could have called themselves 'Oppress.' Occupiers always talked about that as though it was a divine right. Occupy came rather late to my town, their reputation preceeded them. Eyes rolled, the nearby grocerystore put uniformed security on duty when were open, the occupiers had tantrums because nobody was giving them money. Eventually they moved to Newport Beach, as most would like to. They'll find more one percenteria to protest down there than around my neighborhood. Might even get donations from them. Eventually the grass grew back where they had been camping. One of the better Occupy results.

People claim to "Accomplish" whatever with their protesting, I don't see what backs that up. There are those in my town that take credit for 3 police officers being charged with manslaughter after beating a homeless man to death, but there's no reason to believe their protesting had anything to do with it. I would like to think it helped with some of the attitude adjustment the police have displayed, but that hasn't been complete. More likely the regular Saturday protests were fun for the demonstrators and that's about it. You see garage sale signs with the back having one of those protest messages on it about every weekend still.

What's funny about the A123 acquisition is that bankruptcy court/creditors/etc. could just take the money and run. Seems the Chinese largely have what's for sale already. Like in the movie industry over the years when the film piracy played out with the pirates eventually buying up the rights to distribute films in markets were they'd ALREADY bootlegged the film. Just tying up loose ends. The same with a Chinese company buying up the company whose intellectual properties have already been stolen. . . .

 

[neptronix]

Those poor decisions being shoplifting, extortion, shootouts in the camps? There was actually considerable tolerance for them until they wore out their welcome. This whole above the law attitude, no no, instead of 'Occupy' they could have called themselves 'Oppress.' Occupiers always talked about that as though it was a divine right. Occupy came rather late to my town, their reputation preceeded them.

I'm not going to apologize for them, but let's be honest, whenever you get a big mob of people there are going to be crimes. That's why all big concerts and other gatherings have security forces. Does the crime exceed the regular crime rate of say, 100-1000 ordinary non-occupy people huddled all in one space? probably not. The media focused in on this and forgot the message, which initially, was strong ( ending the fed, crony capitalism, the wars, and the corrupt banking system - these are solid ideas, no? ), but later dissolved into a blur of various ideas.

In the 2 weeks that i was active, there weren't any crimes in my local occupy that i heard about, though there were plenty of outside people instigating the camp and riling people up. I was called a communist/socialist repeatedly ( i'm a pretty staunch libertarian FYI ), probably based on what people thought their local occupy was based on from seeing TV News reports from places like Berkeley, CA :lol:

P.s. occupy did not 'come to town', it was made up of local college students, unemployed folks, 9-5ers who had all been thinking that this country was headed in the wrong direction. What they were yelling about was based on your local political views.

 

[Dauntless]

P.s. occupy did not 'come to town', it was made up of local college students, unemployed folks, 9-5ers who had all been thinking that this country was headed in the wrong direction. What they were yelling about was based on your local political views.

Oh, they came to town here. Put up signs in advance that they were coming, like the 'Ringling Brothers Barnum and Bailey Circus' used to. Got permits to set up shop at the campground at the local dam. I was the one that circulated the story that 'It used to be called the WONDERFUL.' Probably held a press conference, but I didn't see it. Never saw a sign that said "Will Occupy for food," but they had signs that said "Occupy is donation driven" and told of how to donate.

We don't have a stock exchange, we don't have---well, ANYTHING worth noticing, we're a fairly small town here. Irvine would have been the more likely location for them to go, but I don't know that they'd find that sort of pastoral setting in such a concrete jungle.

Basically they came, they saw, they left. Don't know if they're still hanging out at the beach.

I don't think they had different yells for different political views Basically they said, over and over, anything THEY were opposed to was illegal. When they interfered with meetings and press conference it was always with 'Illegal this, illegal that.' Didn't seem much interested in being anything but background noise.

 

[Chalo]

Oh, they came to town here. Put up signs in advance that they were coming, like the 'Ringling Brothers Barnum and Bailey Circus' used to.

Wow. You must live in a world of asshats.