Amazon 800W kit on a Diamondback MTB

[Spacey]

Chalo you can come across as a real cock sometimes

Seriously dude, you say sub $1,000 ok sure I was $1 out let's say $999.....I have used $800 bikes with hydraulic brakes for my builds and the brakes have been pretty good for the money.

"Another uninformed opinion from someone who hasn't even bothered to try the good stuff." .....get over yourself...yes I have tried and use mechanical disc brakes and yes...they need constant adjusting as the pad wears out. Whereas hydraulic brakes by their very design will apply the same even pressure until the pad wears out. And lets face it you tend to use your break pads more on electric bikes.

There are ways to have a discussion and then there is your way, rude and bullish. Happy new year!

This has to be a joke right? There are plenty of $1,000 bikes with hydraulic brakes that piss on rim brakes.

I said sub-$1000 e-bikes, and any of those with discs are necessarily going to have bottom-of-the-barrel junk brakes. You also have to compare against average-to-lame rim brakes before any discs at any price categorically outperform them.

I do not like mechanical disc brakes because you have to keep adjusting them...but rim brakes lol...no thanks.

Another uninformed opinion from someone who hasn't even bothered to try the good stuff.

There's nothing wrong, functionally, with really good disc brakes, but there's nothing wrong with really good rim brakes either. The good rim brakes are lighter, simpler, more configurable, more serviceable, and far cheaper. They'll sink quite a bit more energy before something goes awry, too. That's been proven with instrumented tests by BIKE magazine of Germany. And it has been borne out by real world experience.

 

[NeilP]

If I had the money do get whatever I wanted I would go big hydraulic disk, over rim for one major reason..long term rim wear.

As Chalo says a good setup of rim is often better or equal to cheap disk..but think about it ..a rim brake is equivalent (almost) to a 630mm disk, so if pad area and pressure were to be equal then the rim brake will give better stopping..I would guess you could not have as much pressure on a rim as a disk though, or you woudl risk collapsing the rim.


I use the XTR 'parallogram linkage' style Rim V-brakes on one of my bikes..and it does stop better than my $400 180mm disks...most of the time..pad dependant..dry weather pads on a wet day, etc, but the same can be said of the disk brake pads too

 

[Chalo]

Seriously dude, you say sub $1,000 ok sure I was $1 out let's say $999.....I have used $800 bikes with hydraulic brakes for my builds and the brakes have been pretty good for the money.

I'll repeat myself then. I said sub-$1000 E-BIKES. You might have some secret as to how to turn an $800 bike into a $999 e-bike, but that would probably involve friction drive, tiny SLA batteries, and a brushed scooter motor-- or some other unlikely and undesirable setup. In my observation, a $1000 e-bike is equivalent, mechanically, to a $300 pushbike. If one of those comes with discs, they're going to suck hard. But if it has V-brakes, they might be pretty good (not necessarily, but possibly).

 

[shock]

Not another promising thread turned into a rim brake discussion starring chalo!! Each setup has pros and cons like anything in life, use what works for your situation!!!!

Nice quick build there, too bad you can't get the batts into the triangle.

-Joe

 

[Chalo]

When people stop claiming that disc brakes are better than rim brakes, I'll stop correcting them.

 

[Spacey]

Chalo:

I'll repeat myself then. I said sub-$1000 E-BIKES. You might have some secret as to how to turn an $800 bike into a $999 e-bike, but that would probably involve friction drive, tiny SLA batteries, and a brushed scooter motor-- or some other unlikely and undesirable setup. In my observation, a $1000 e-bike is equivalent, mechanically, to a $300 pushbike. If one of those comes with discs, they're going to suck hard. But if it has V-brakes, they might be pretty good (not necessarily, but possibly).

Well then there was some confusion on the sub $1,000 bike. You obviously now meant ebike whereas I was thinking Actual Bike before conversion.

I still think you are rude and therefore just can not be bothered to engage you in respectful conversation.

 

[www.recumbents.com]

Chalo: I still think you are rude and therefore just can not be bothered to engage you in respectful conversation.

+1

 

[full-throttle]

I still think you are rude and therefore just can not be bothered to engage you in respectful conversation.

+1
Just like Safe he's better be ignored

When people stop claiming that disc brakes are better than rim brakes, I'll stop correcting them.

Nobody wants your opinion. STOP HIJACKING THREADS!

 

[chisixer6]

Warren;

I like using the Sturmey Archer front drum on my last 3 bikes..

 

[www.recumbents.com]

Hi Jerry,

I like that hub too, very clean. It does not stop quite as well as with my disk brakes, but is very reliable and no maintenance required. I may not be using the right brake handle...

-Warren.

 

[Chalo]

I like that hub too, very clean. It does not stop quite as well as with my disk brakes, but is very reliable and no maintenance required. I may not be using the right brake handle...

Drum brakes are the most sensitive to brake lever cable throw and mechanical advantage, in my observation. I have three bikes with drums, and not one of them stops as hard as if it were equipped with good rim brakes or discs. But they all stop harder than if they had poor rim brakes or discs. And they do it the same way in all conditions.

Long blade motocross-style levers, as used on early MTBs, are the best levers I have combined with Sturmey Archer, Sachs, or Arai drum brakes.

I think the biggest impediment to wider adoption of traditional drums is that they take hundreds or thousands of miles to break in and deliver their best braking. But they reward patience with very long and consistent maintenance-free service.

Band brakes, as equipped on some low end e-bikes, are not worth the trouble. They can have initial bite better than traditional drum brakes, but they overheat and fade dramatically when you need them the most.