another noob help design bike

dakota

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Hi im new to electric bikes but want to build one for commute to work. my trip is a 23km trip one way and I would like to maintain speeds of 60km an hour (I dont mind peddling but I'm out of shape) Im going to sell my fuji nevada 1.0 and have a lead on a giant dh comp ( will get kiwi dropouts) . My trip is actually pretty flat the whole way so not much in way of hills. I live in Australia. I don't want more batteries than I need for the trip and was thinking to install in either a backpack so I can take in to work to charge (23km is one way).Must work in the rain. I only want quality as I dont want to buy stuff and be replacing in a month. Oh nearly forgot I weight is 100kg at the moment but thats part of the reason for changing style of transport. I hope to build it over the next four months which is when the registration on my car runs out. SORRY if this is a dumb noob question but I would love some help in putting a plan together so I have a solid plan.
 
Hi,
At 60Kph is will be very obvious to observers that you are not sticking to the 200W or was it now 250W power limits over there and at that speed you start to need larger, more expensive batteries etc. Staying at say 40Kph might be a better idea.
 
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You're going to need more than just a 1000W motor, and you'll need a lot of battery to maintain 60kph for 23km. Lower speed to 50-55kph and a 1000W motor will work.
 
thanks I think i got location sorted , 40 to 50 would be fine just take a little longer to get their. Bike Path runs along side of freeway so cant get pulled over on the leg of the trip. the rest
I dont think will be a problem as in industrial estates. If I worried about stupid laws that most police have no clue on Id never sleep. I dont want to sound rude just not a concern to me as they have no way to test and half of the trip is off road. even if you were to factor a fine every few months , at what petrol cost I think you would still come out on top. what is the best hassle free hub motor this.
 
dakota said:
what is the best hassle free hub motor this.
Probably conflicting opinions on this one.
I have ridden and old Golden Motor 1000W direct drive hub and I now have a MAC 10T geared hub.
I like the MAC better.
On the same voltage the GM was a tad faster (up to 48Kph) but slow off the mark.
The MAC is pretty snappy off the mark and the best bit is less drag if something goes wrong and I have to pedal home because it freewheels. The MAC 10T is hitting 42Kph max on 52V. The MAC is a bit lighter and also supports installation of a standard disk brake with a spacer. I'm running an Avid elixer hydraulic brake and with a 3mm spacer it just clears the hub.
The MAC is available in 8T for a bit more speed.
Of course you can get direct drive hubs with different speeds as well
 
Well, there is another issue. Only a complete ----------- would ride a bike path shared by walkers or slower bikes at 60 kph. Rude enough on a well used path to even travel 30 kph.

But, maybe you won't have others on the path. Common enough for nobody to be using them. If alone, I'll go 40 kph on my local paths. But I slow if I encounter somebody. Cops never give me a look at 40 kph. They have at 50 kph.

So, I also recommend building for a max speed of around 40-50 kph. It's easier to ride courteous on the path if that's needed, It's far more reliable on every component of the bike, and you won't need near as much. That 30 mph is easy as pie to get with a 48v system. Nearly all do 27 mph and many go 30 mph on 48v. So you will save hundreds on the battery if you stick to 48v. 60 kph will put a shitload more wear on rims, tires, spokes, brakes. You'll spend twice as much time on weekly maintenance if you haul ass. At 40 kph speed, you can go months with no maintenance once you get your wheels settled in and tuned.

Seriously, its plenty fast enough, and going faster takes an incredibly larger battery. So, if you change your top speed, it's easy as hell. Any decent hubmotor, and up to 30 amps controller and you are all set. The Mac 10t and 48v battery is a good solution. The dd motors take off a bit more sluggish, but work fine if you have few stops along the way. The dd motors can be more reliable, not pushed hard they can go years with nothing but spoke tuning. Either will work fine, just look for at least 1000w, and 48v. Rear motor of course.

In a 48v battery, you will need more than 10 ah of battery to make it in all weather. A 15 ah would be ideal. If you ride on the slow side, say 20 mph, then a 12 ah would do it fine. One way I mean. Your travel time should be about 45 min, at 40 kph including stops. I found less than 30 min too short, enjoying the ride too much to want it to end, even on the return home. Often rode even slower on the return, to make it last even longer. My commute was 25 k.
 
Thanks I dont mind slowing down to that speed still not a bad trip time wise. as for the bike path it has a freeway on one side and forrest on another leading from the outskirts of the burbs to a industrial estate In the two years I traveled this freeway have never seen anyone use it, On top of that I'm going on night shift so dont think I will ever see anyone at them times but the info you've given me sounds good I think ill go maybe the crown kit from ebikes ca for 1095 or the em3ev kit for like 4oo postage will be pricey so only want to buy once . if I come across stupid im a noob
 
In that case, let er rip on the path if all alone on it. But even so, 60 kph would be enough to get everybody on the freeway looking at you like this. :shock:

Then, you attract police attention eventually, and you are riding illegal. But at 40kph, nobody thinks anything of it.

I had the path to myself when I first built my ebike. But with the summer, the walkers came out earlier and suddenly they were all crowding up the place during my commuting hour and making me slow way down. It just was not cool to blast past them at full speed.
 
This is probably your best deal. Put 20ah of 12s lipo on it and you'll get over 30km at 40+ kph. You can't pedal that fast to even keep up. Balance charge at home with a 12s charger and bulk charge at work with a 50V charger. 20ah of 12s lipo will fit easily on any bike. 20ah of lifepo4 won't.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Electric-Bicycle-E-Bike-Conversion-Kit-Brushless-Motor48V-1000W-Rear-Wheel-Rack-/150956506830
 
Why not have a look at one of these!! Falco HXM 750w

http://youtu.be/Qo_zotTo9pE

The 212kph was no load on a 20" wheel @48v! I get over 30mph out of the 250w system @36v in a 26" wheel with my eyes closed :lol: Easily over 35mph on the 750w motor when ridden.

I'm biased of course, but you can have either a throttle only system, throttle and torque sensor so you can get fitness and have the motor back you up! Or go Torque sensor only and that way it never looks like you are "cheating" and riding a moped!! Also you get a 5 year warranty with the motor if you buy a complete kit! but to get the best out of it run at 48v with a pack of around 15ah and that would sort you out one way no worries and then some!

We are in the process of setting up our Australian dealer and he will have his 250w bike arriving in the next couple of days!
 
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