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This is how to fight Nazis

The data scientist exposing US white supremacists

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/01/white-supremacist-protest-activism-emily-gorcenski

Right wingers, Trumpistas etc not welcome in this thread, please stay away
 
Quite the read

There a number of things to garner from reading this piece.

One thing I got out of this...

White supremacists dehumanize you so successfully
that in order to even begin to address the way that they work, the way that they talk, the way that they operate, what their beliefs are, you have to dehumanize a part of yourself to even engage

As Trump strives to do with every confrontation with anyone not kneeling to his demands?

White supremacy is not purely a racial concept. It’s fundamentally racist, but it’s also fundamentally antisemitic, anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant, anti-gay, anti-woman, anti-trans, anti-disability. It’s about purification through whiteness and through maleness and through the consolidation of power.

Remind you of any particular country from the 1940's?

Trump's divisive actions over the last four years is more than adequate evidence, of his attempt to bring down our democracy. Fortunately this has been recognized by those in higher places, than anyone on this form, and if we are to survive as a free nation, they must be successful in thwarting his attempt, and the attempt by his followers/enablers.
 
I have little faith in those that have historically benefitted the most from the evil aspects of our society

in helping much with, much less initiating, the fundamental systemic changes that are needed.

It will not be enough to just drive the openly reactionary defenders of oppression out of polite society

just making America return to **seeming** less evil.

It is grassroots activism reaching critical mass that will push us toward the future, not any tiny "elite" group.

The efforts required from **all** real allies against (for example) racism and bigotry will be enormous and take decades to make great progress.

Those who are just "right thinking", but do not publicly and forcefully engage in the fight for justice, incorporate the struggle into their daily lives

are in fact just as great an obstacle to progress as the racists and bigots.
 
Have not given Antifa much thought, until now. That is a good read or a door opener. I grew up in South Texas so i'm Raceist by conditioning and brainwashing, but i'm aware of it and fought against it my whole life. Don't think racist quite covers it. Think the real issue is power grabbing. I'm sure i'm Antifa but never have had a good grasp on fascism what it is beyond a vague definition.

This maybe a good one:
HOLOCAUSTENCYCLOPEDIA
Fascism is an ultranationalist, authoritarian political philosophy. It combines elements of nationalism, militarism, economic self-sufficiency, and totalitarianism. It opposes communism, socialism, pluralism, individual rights and equality, and democratic government. Fascism places the importance of the nation above all else. The unity of the national community is prioritized above the rights of individuals. This leads to an intense interest in defining which groups belong or do not belong to...

I have no qualms being anti-fascism or Antifa.
 
Another very strong element is the nexus between the oligarchy of capital and the fascist political "leaders".

Really the rise of fascism in modern times can be seen as a reaction to the rise of the left, the possibility of democracy intruding "too far" into the economic sphere.

FDR really was viciously hated by most of the wealthy in America, the New Deal as a betrayal of his class.

Going further back, the ideology really developed as a backlash to the (at the time)radical democratic / progressive revolutions from the US's onward and its promotion of  secular liberalism.

Fundamentally, the conflict between old-school authoritarianism and the more recent rise of true democracy the whole idea of equality being the main enemy.
 
The pseudoscientific ideas of "eugenics" are also tied closely to fascism, the ideas of Darwin applied to racism, engineering humanity to reduce the population of "weaker" members

lgbtq+

minorities including blacks / brown, Jehovah's Witnesses, Romany and Jews of course from previous centuries

the various types of disabled

and also political opponents

 
Claiming the "protection" of an intolerant even weaponized version of so-called Christianity against other religions is also a big component in the rise of American and European fascism, not in Japan obviously.

India's Hindu nationalists, and fanatic violent Buddhist factions in Burma and Sri Lanka certainly have fascist qualities.
 
ZeroEm said:
Have not given Antifa much thought, until now. That is a good read or a door opener. I grew up in South Texas so i'm Raceist by conditioning and brainwashing, but i'm aware of it and fought against it my whole life. Don't think racist quite covers it. Think the real issue is power grabbing.

During the '80s and '90s, I witnessed some of the small South Texas and West Texas towns that had always had a Mexican-American majority, but had always been run by whites, finally change hands and put majority politicians in charge.

You have never seen such a bitchy, picayune, obstinately disagreeable and hateful pack of white people as those folks who had been accustomed to being the boss for no reason, and then suddenly weren't anymore.

I recognize the same process happening on a national level lately. White people never had to grow the f up, and now it's beginning to sink in that they actually do. Tantrums result.

Just like toddlers learning that they're not special, and that they too have to share.
 
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Hi, monsters!

Monsters cannot be announced. One cannot say: 'Here are our monsters,' without immediately turning the monsters into pets.
Jacques Derrida

I suppose I should say 'Y'all my pets,' but we've known that all along. But since you're discussing those squirrelly little deconstructionist Antifa's, I just thought I should bring the Master deconstructionist along to drive home my points.

john61ct said:
This is how to fight Nazis

So Antifa being the muscle to get the Nazi's into power in the 30's, yeah, you fight Antifa the way you fight their Nazi masters. Dehumanizing people is indeed a favorite tool of Antifa. And Antifa would come after you if they knew you were calling them "Patriots." They are most decidedly antipatriotism. Sorry to burst your romantic fantasy, (And if you believe THAT. . . .) American Antifa has it's roots in a group that called itself 'Burn America to the Ground.'

Deconstructionism is the idea that you just destroy everything then you're free to put whatever you want in place. In practice it's like the scorpion that stings the frog that is carrying it across the river. Too stupid to realize it will die, too.

. . . .the use of violent measures by antifa against their adversaries can create a vicious, self-defeating cycle of attacks, counter-attacks and blame. This is why most established civil rights organizations criticize antifa tactics as dangerous and counterproductive.
-Anti Defamation League

And their adversaries are anyone who is NOT Antifa. If Antifa, or the Proud Bois, show up in your neighborhood, you will cower in fear, tough guy. If you get to the window and push yourself against the wall under the window, that's the hardest place for them to see looking in. But do try to keep from shaking too much as you hold your phone up and get me a picture.

antifa were captured on video harassing Trump supporters with no known extremist connections. Antifa have also falsely characterized some recent right wing rallies as “Nazi” events, even though they were not actually white supremacist in nature. All forms of antifa violence are problematic.

Another concern is the misapplication of the label “antifa” to include all counter-protesters, rather than limiting it to those who proactively seek physical confrontations with their perceived fascist adversaries.

-Anti Defamation League

The Anti Defamation League would like you to help point out Antifa. "Doing so allows law enforcement to focus their resources on the minority who engage in violence without curtailing the civil rights of the majority of peaceful individuals who just want their voices to be heard." I know you want to daydream of how FUN it would be to be one of them. I start to say that would only make you a bad guy, but I realize that doesn't bother you at all.

verbal and physical assaults. . .other violent tactics include throwing projectiles, including bricks, crowbars, homemade slingshots, metal chains, water bottles, and balloons filled with urine and feces. They have deployed noxious gases, pushed through police barricades, and attempted to exploit any perceived weakness in law enforcement presence.

Away from rallies, they also engage in “doxxing,” exposing their adversaries’ identities, addresses, jobs and other private information. This can lead to their opponents being harassed . . . among other consequences.

-Anti Defamation League

john61ct said:
Please desist from posting in my thread.

You don't HAVE a thread. You think you'd be allowed to drag so many threads here into your personal mudpit if someone owned them and could kick you out? As though you can tell Mr. Z he's too uplifting and honest for your tastes and you can banish him.

Certain readers resented-me when they could no longer recognize their territory.

“And still the text will remain, if it is really cryptic and parodying (and I tell you that it is so through and through. I might as well tell you since it won’t be of any help to you. . . still the text will remain indefinitely open, cryptic and parodying.”

Jacques Derrida

Ah, shucks, he knows me too well.

Il n'y a pas de hors-texte.
Jacques Derrida

Ah well, I'm going to bed. You may resume your hating.
 
john61ct said:
Please desist from posting in my thread.

:lol: the irony...

So you "own" this thread, you're the boss and want to oppress other people's views and opinions if they don't echo your own? How fascist... :wink:
 
Yes, standard practice for members to abide by the wishes of the OP wrt the scope of the thread's discussion.

You are free to start a thread "Fascism is great!" or whatever, and I will abide by your wishes there.
 
No one owns anything, we can do what we want within the confines of the rules.

https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=6872
 
john61ct said:
Yes, standard practice for members to abide by the wishes of the OP wrt the scope of the thread's discussion.

Uh, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, you personally never behave as an adult in threads I started. You don't tell the truth. You never respect others.

Your wish is a thread for your lying and hatred? Imagine my surprise.

john61ct said:
You are free to start a thread "Fascism is great!"

That's what this thread is, another one would be a dog whistle for you.

markz said:
No one owns anything, we can do what we want within the confines of the rules.

https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=6872

The context of the rules is Johncu_t is even allowed to not follow the context of the rules. Yet listen to him complain.
 
I am sure the moderators have given plenty of slack, their job is endless (no pun intended ;) Endless Sphere) and we need to thank them for their service to the ES community.
 
markz said:
I am sure the moderators have given plenty of slack, their job is endless (no pun intended ;) Endless Sphere) and we need to thank them for their service to the ES community.

Certainly. I've even said in the past there's some good when they DON'T go 'Operation Crackdown' on the flying monkeys. When the screeders feel free to show what slime they are, we know what to think. I've heard the one racist a few days ago created a stir with nonposters with his 'Genocide is good' post.
 
Guess, we will go back to using the Antifa code again.
Keep the messages going. Only the radical Left ware masks, Support the economy, visit bars and don't let restaurants put you outside. Tests are only collecting your DNA so big brother can track you.
 
“Historians have a word for Germans who joined the Nazi party, not because they hated Jews, but out of a hope for restored patriotism, or a sense of economic anxiety, or a hope to preserve their religious values, or dislike of their opponents, or raw political opportunism, or convenience, or ignorance, or greed. That word is ‘Nazi.’ Nobody cares about their motives anymore. They joined what they joined. They lent their support and their moral approval. And, in so doing, they bound themselves to everything that came after. Who cares any more what particular knot they used in the binding?”
 ~~A.R. Moxon (2017)
 
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