markz
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Well if you want a tall dude that is 100 lbs heavier, but same height. I could sit on them or something.
Best Self-Defense for a Lady on an eBike?
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MadRhino
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MikeSSS said:
Sorry Mike, but I don't see what Canadians have to do in your discussion about crime and rights.
Yep, we do have a chart of rights in the constitution. I don't agree with all of our politics, but I don't believe any idiot (idiots are half of us, and yours) should have the right to carry a gun. Here, carrying a gun does require a clean criminal record, gun handling and safety course, extensive investigation, and a license that is very limited in time. Carrying any weapon is forbidden, not only guns.
Crime rate in Montreal is very low. We had 19 murders last year (Dallas has 12 times more with about the same population). Women can safely walk alone at night here. Most of the time I don't even lock my bike. Most of the cops have nothing else to do than writing tickets.
So, when talking about crime and rights, please look at your side of the border first.
The fingers
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Bicycle cops should be out there patrolling the river trails, but they're not. Many of them seem to be glorified meter maids. :lol:
Make a faster e-bike...
Self-defense tools that are not knife or firearms (either in trained hands) are generally crap that sells a false sense of security, they are not useless, but just a minor help, again in trained particular, in a non trianer individual, the thing just probably gonna end in the hands of agressors.
The truth is that few gonna pay in these days to recibe ''real training'' and self defense systems or martial arts are just products that must sell a sense of security, cheap morals or ego.
In a combat stress situation, the logic strate are easily override by insctintive toughts, primal impresions etc.. that modern life humans lost total familiarity whit, is usual that a non prepared, or bad prepared individual just got stuck, act stupid or make things worse.
If you care for your wife, and if she care's for her security, just buy a pair of kudo/total protected headguards, make her to be used to progressive force slaps to the face, head shake, brute trows... etc... have fun beating each other and get used to be hit and to hit whitout fear reactions.
If she never have to put that in practice... better dont take agresive stances, no pasive resistance, just train to pretend scared and submissive, give the money if the agressor demands it, see for any oportunity to run or shout for help, the muscular mass in women are only 23% of their weigth, vs +40% of a man, they are smaller, they don't have testosterone, and rarely an assaulter is gona come alone, only if He/they want something else and flee isn't on option, keep pretending and grab their balls, thrust the nails to the eyes, bite, use weapons, stab whit a broken tree branch, use that pepper spray or taser, do whathever it takes to gain the oportunity to escape, and never ever give up when fighting or running, the animals can fight or run, both are survival strategies, but the one that remain motionless just accept is own death.
I work as a profesional bodyguard and trainer for richies.
Self-defense tools that are not knife or firearms (either in trained hands) are generally crap that sells a false sense of security, they are not useless, but just a minor help, again in trained particular, in a non trianer individual, the thing just probably gonna end in the hands of agressors.
The truth is that few gonna pay in these days to recibe ''real training'' and self defense systems or martial arts are just products that must sell a sense of security, cheap morals or ego.
In a combat stress situation, the logic strate are easily override by insctintive toughts, primal impresions etc.. that modern life humans lost total familiarity whit, is usual that a non prepared, or bad prepared individual just got stuck, act stupid or make things worse.
If you care for your wife, and if she care's for her security, just buy a pair of kudo/total protected headguards, make her to be used to progressive force slaps to the face, head shake, brute trows... etc... have fun beating each other and get used to be hit and to hit whitout fear reactions.
If she never have to put that in practice... better dont take agresive stances, no pasive resistance, just train to pretend scared and submissive, give the money if the agressor demands it, see for any oportunity to run or shout for help, the muscular mass in women are only 23% of their weigth, vs +40% of a man, they are smaller, they don't have testosterone, and rarely an assaulter is gona come alone, only if He/they want something else and flee isn't on option, keep pretending and grab their balls, thrust the nails to the eyes, bite, use weapons, stab whit a broken tree branch, use that pepper spray or taser, do whathever it takes to gain the oportunity to escape, and never ever give up when fighting or running, the animals can fight or run, both are survival strategies, but the one that remain motionless just accept is own death.
I work as a profesional bodyguard and trainer for richies.
The fingers said:
Probably because they don't have decent ebikes. Most of the bike cops around here have to pedal.
markz
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I've seen bike cops on fatbikes in the snowy cold city here, but never no ebike cops. I think because the battery issue would be the biggest concern, they would obviously need a geared hub motor to have no drag like the d.d. would have. But maybe they could use the power only when needed, and the rest of the time pedal normally. But the added weight again might be a problem. Or the more likely reason is the cost.
This is one of those thread titles where if the poster read it they would realize the answer to their question. You're on a bike, get the hell out of there! First, though, use your head because if you pay attention you can avoid 99% of dangerous situations in the first place. You don't want to get into it with someone just because you have a taser, or pepper spray, or a knife...what if they call your bluff, and kick your ass anyway? Safely carrying a gun and being capable of safely and effectively using it requires the kind of wherewithal and training where you wouldn't be asking this question, so that's out.
flat tire said:
Exactly. Situational awareness and avoidance. I see a lot of cyclist and joggers with headphones on. Easy prey.
If everything else fails, rely on your training. If you are carrying a weapon (knife, pepper spray, glock), I hope you train with it.
The fingers
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Camps removed to spring up elsewhere.
http://voiceofoc.org/2017/03/shawn-...-from-riverbed-near-honda-center-emails-show/
Shawn Nelson Had Homeless Camp Removed From Riverbed Near Honda Center, Emails Show
County of Orange
Before and after photos of a project Nelson requested near the Santa Ana riverbed, as depicted in "before" and "after" photos by a county public works official.
By Nick Gerda h March 22, 2017
Newly-released emails show that, at the request of Supervisor Shawn Nelson, county officials replaced a homeless encampment with a pile of rocks last summer along the Santa Ana River near the Honda Center.
“One update that may be of interest to Supervisor Nelson is the first location he visited on our tour along the Santa Ana River just north of Katella,” county public works manager AJ Jaime wrote in a Sept. 7 email.
“All maintenance work that the Supervisor requested during our tour will be completed by next week, please see attached before and after photos.”
The “Before Photos” sent by Jaime show the homeless camp and the “After Photos” show an extended section that had been replaced with boulders.
Jaime was responding to a request from a Nelson aide for “any updates I can provide our constituents” about the riverbed.
(Click here to read the emails and here for the attachment with before and after photos.)
The emails and photos were obtained through a California Public Records Act request by Mohammed Aly, a lawyer and advocate for the homeless, who provided copies to Voice of OC.
Nelson didn’t return phone calls to discuss the issue, and county staff have declined to comment on what he asked them to do.
The emails raise questions about whether Nelson also directed a similar removal last month of a large homeless encampment along the river south of Angel Stadium, which sparked protests, an arrest, and at least two federal lawsuits against the county. County officials have maintained that camp, which was adjacent to the 57 Freeway, was replaced with piles of rocks and gravel as part of a flood control project.
In a statement Tuesday, county spokeswoman Carrie Braun said all maintenance work along the riverbed is done “to maintain the channel and protect the community in the event of a flood.”
She declined to answer any questions about what Nelson requested or when he requested it, either for the project by the Honda Center or the one south of Angel Stadium.
“Questions related to requests made by a Supervisor should be directed to their office,” Braun wrote. The five county supervisors, including Nelson, are the ultimate bosses of county workers.
Neither Nelson nor his staff responded to a follow-up request for answers to the questions Braun deferred to them.
(Click here to read the county’s full statement.)
Nelson’s action last summer prompted a law enforcement sweep that apparently led dozens of homeless to leave the Honda Center area in August and join other camps further south along the river, near Angel Stadium. Some apparently lost their belongings after they were seized by officials.
How to deal with the county’s large homeless population living along the Santa Ana River is an ongoing controversy involving homeless advocates, county supervisors, local businesses, residents, and cyclists who use the river bike trail. There is a shortage of shelter beds and housing for homeless, with just over 1,600 housing beds and about 600 walk-in shelter beds for over 3,000 single homeless men and women.
The encampment discussed in the email was located north of Katella Avenue, along the east side of the Santa Ana river and across from the Honda Center arena. It was home to several dozen homeless people who lived on county government property in a line of tents between a raised grass berm and a parking lot fence, according to the Orange County Register, photos of the camp and interviews with homeless people.
Officials say the riverbank camps have drawn numerous complaints from neighboring residents and businesses about drug use, trash, noise and small fires. At the same time, homeless advocates said the county’s shortage of shelter beds and housing, along with cities’ enforcement of anti-camping laws, has left no real alternative for many of the homeless people there.
Braun declined to give the date of Nelson’s tour of the area near the Honda Center and said it was up to Nelson’s office to release it.
On Aug. 15, officials apparently followed through on Nelson’s directive, forcing dozens of homeless people to leave the area before maintenance crews started their work, according to the OC Register and videos posted by activists at the time. Sheriff’s deputies stood watch as people removed their belongings.
In another video, a homeless man says people returned to the camp that day only to discover their belongings had been taken by county officials.
Around the same time, county officials began locking gates and closing public access along the same east side of the river, from Katella Ave. south along the 57 Freeway to the 22 Freeway, where there were other homeless encampments. Most of that area was evicted by the county last month, with rocks and boulders replacing the tents and tarps that sheltered the homeless. The evictions sparked lawsuits, protests, and an arrest.
It’s unclear whether Nelson initiated the later riverbank evictions south of Angel Stadium.
It’s also unclear which constituents he was responding to when he asked officials to replace the homeless camp north of Katella near the Honda Center.
In a statement, Aly said the emails show county officials have been misleading the public when they say homeless people are evicted from the riverbanks because the area is needed to store rocks for flood control.
“According to [county statements], it’s by accident that the encampments happen to be in the so-called ‘project area.’ Not the case,” Aly said.
"The county’s ‘project’ was to target the encampments,” he said. “Homeless people make the mistake of existing in a place that was inconvenient for the county’s other, more influential constituents.”
County news releases have repeatedly called their efforts south of Angel Stadium a public works “flood control channel maintenance and security project.”
One such release, announcing a settlement last month with the ACLU, says the county project “focuses” on ensuring that the county “is prepared for flood-fighting activities.” Toward the end of the release, it says “the County is aware that there are homeless encampments in the project area.”
The county’s statements lack credibility, said Aly. “[Their] narrative is debunked by these emails.”
In response, Braun said: “The County has continuously reiterated the fact that the OC Public Works project begun earlier this year from Orangewood to Hesperian is for flood control maintenance and security.
“This exact area has been previously utilized for stockpiling of flood control materials, is private County maintenance road that is restricted from public access, and is one of the County’s largest and most central points for the flood control material storage.”
Asked if she can say Nelson did not request the project south of Angel Stadium, she again deferred comment to Nelson’s office.
A homeless man who said he witnessed the eviction north of Katella near the Honda Center said it happened quickly.
Sylvester Gomez said multiple law enforcement agencies participated in evicting the homeless people in a matter of hours. He compared it to a fast-paced military operation, saying it was like a “shock and awe” or “blitzkrieg” campaign to get homeless people out of the area.
As for the “maintenance” project Nelson requested, Gomez said: “They’re just using that as an excuse to get us out.”
When their camp was broken up, he said many homeless people moved further south, closer to Angel Stadium, as well as to the west side of the river.
County officials say their maintenance work that Nelson requested at the camp north of Katella was performed between late August and mid-September.
“The individuals encamped in the area were provided approximately two weeks’ notice before being asked to voluntarily relocate from the area,” the county statement says.
“The individuals were told to take their personal property, and any personal property they wished to have stored by OC Public Works was collected and made available for 90 days at the Portola Yard. Additional items that were left behind were treated as debris that was disposed of by OC Public Works crews.”
At the time of the August clear-out that Nelson requested, the county had no shelter option for most of the single adults living on the streets. Its Courtyard shelter didn’t open in Santa Ana until October, and has since become heavily occupied. And the county’s winter armory shelters – which generally don’t allow the pets that many homeless people have – didn’t open until December.
The camp north of Katella ran adjacent to a bike path frequented by cyclists from across the county, as well as parking lots for an Extended Stay America hotel, an office building, and the Cinemark Century Stadium 25 movie theater.
It was also across the street from the Sheriff’s Department’s public pistol range and regional training facility for law enforcement. And it would have been visible from the Honda Center’s parking lot.
The clear-out also came about two weeks before the Disneyland Half-Marathon, in which participants ran along the west side of the river on Sept. 3 and would have been able to see the encampment.
Marathon spokeswoman Jessica Baker didn’t return a phone message asking if Disney had a role in getting the camp cleared out.
There was another sweep of homeless camps on the west side of the river north of Katella on Sept. 2, the day before the half marathon, according to a video by homeless activist Lou Noble.
Police were on hand as inmate workers from the county jail cleared out homeless people’s belongings on the western side of the river north of Katella, according to Noble’s video.
Noble claimed the homeless people were being cleared out because the Disneyland event’s route would be going along that section of the riverbed and officials didn’t want participants to see the homeless encampment.
County officials disclosed the emails to Aly on March 3, but not the photos that showed the before and after images of the encampment. Aly requested that attachment on March 10 and received it March 15.
After repeated public criticism and legal battles from advocates, Aly said Nelson called him and other activists last week to express a desire to work with them.
The outreach is welcome, Aly said, adding he and others would continue to press Nelson and the rest of the supervisors to take stronger action to help homeless people. He said he and other activists are ready to work with them.
http://voiceofoc.org/2017/03/shawn-...-from-riverbed-near-honda-center-emails-show/
Shawn Nelson Had Homeless Camp Removed From Riverbed Near Honda Center, Emails Show
County of Orange
Before and after photos of a project Nelson requested near the Santa Ana riverbed, as depicted in "before" and "after" photos by a county public works official.
By Nick Gerda h March 22, 2017
Newly-released emails show that, at the request of Supervisor Shawn Nelson, county officials replaced a homeless encampment with a pile of rocks last summer along the Santa Ana River near the Honda Center.
“One update that may be of interest to Supervisor Nelson is the first location he visited on our tour along the Santa Ana River just north of Katella,” county public works manager AJ Jaime wrote in a Sept. 7 email.
“All maintenance work that the Supervisor requested during our tour will be completed by next week, please see attached before and after photos.”
The “Before Photos” sent by Jaime show the homeless camp and the “After Photos” show an extended section that had been replaced with boulders.
Jaime was responding to a request from a Nelson aide for “any updates I can provide our constituents” about the riverbed.
(Click here to read the emails and here for the attachment with before and after photos.)
The emails and photos were obtained through a California Public Records Act request by Mohammed Aly, a lawyer and advocate for the homeless, who provided copies to Voice of OC.
Nelson didn’t return phone calls to discuss the issue, and county staff have declined to comment on what he asked them to do.
The emails raise questions about whether Nelson also directed a similar removal last month of a large homeless encampment along the river south of Angel Stadium, which sparked protests, an arrest, and at least two federal lawsuits against the county. County officials have maintained that camp, which was adjacent to the 57 Freeway, was replaced with piles of rocks and gravel as part of a flood control project.
In a statement Tuesday, county spokeswoman Carrie Braun said all maintenance work along the riverbed is done “to maintain the channel and protect the community in the event of a flood.”
She declined to answer any questions about what Nelson requested or when he requested it, either for the project by the Honda Center or the one south of Angel Stadium.
“Questions related to requests made by a Supervisor should be directed to their office,” Braun wrote. The five county supervisors, including Nelson, are the ultimate bosses of county workers.
Neither Nelson nor his staff responded to a follow-up request for answers to the questions Braun deferred to them.
(Click here to read the county’s full statement.)
Nelson’s action last summer prompted a law enforcement sweep that apparently led dozens of homeless to leave the Honda Center area in August and join other camps further south along the river, near Angel Stadium. Some apparently lost their belongings after they were seized by officials.
How to deal with the county’s large homeless population living along the Santa Ana River is an ongoing controversy involving homeless advocates, county supervisors, local businesses, residents, and cyclists who use the river bike trail. There is a shortage of shelter beds and housing for homeless, with just over 1,600 housing beds and about 600 walk-in shelter beds for over 3,000 single homeless men and women.
The encampment discussed in the email was located north of Katella Avenue, along the east side of the Santa Ana river and across from the Honda Center arena. It was home to several dozen homeless people who lived on county government property in a line of tents between a raised grass berm and a parking lot fence, according to the Orange County Register, photos of the camp and interviews with homeless people.
Officials say the riverbank camps have drawn numerous complaints from neighboring residents and businesses about drug use, trash, noise and small fires. At the same time, homeless advocates said the county’s shortage of shelter beds and housing, along with cities’ enforcement of anti-camping laws, has left no real alternative for many of the homeless people there.
Braun declined to give the date of Nelson’s tour of the area near the Honda Center and said it was up to Nelson’s office to release it.
On Aug. 15, officials apparently followed through on Nelson’s directive, forcing dozens of homeless people to leave the area before maintenance crews started their work, according to the OC Register and videos posted by activists at the time. Sheriff’s deputies stood watch as people removed their belongings.
In another video, a homeless man says people returned to the camp that day only to discover their belongings had been taken by county officials.
Around the same time, county officials began locking gates and closing public access along the same east side of the river, from Katella Ave. south along the 57 Freeway to the 22 Freeway, where there were other homeless encampments. Most of that area was evicted by the county last month, with rocks and boulders replacing the tents and tarps that sheltered the homeless. The evictions sparked lawsuits, protests, and an arrest.
It’s unclear whether Nelson initiated the later riverbank evictions south of Angel Stadium.
It’s also unclear which constituents he was responding to when he asked officials to replace the homeless camp north of Katella near the Honda Center.
In a statement, Aly said the emails show county officials have been misleading the public when they say homeless people are evicted from the riverbanks because the area is needed to store rocks for flood control.
“According to [county statements], it’s by accident that the encampments happen to be in the so-called ‘project area.’ Not the case,” Aly said.
"The county’s ‘project’ was to target the encampments,” he said. “Homeless people make the mistake of existing in a place that was inconvenient for the county’s other, more influential constituents.”
County news releases have repeatedly called their efforts south of Angel Stadium a public works “flood control channel maintenance and security project.”
One such release, announcing a settlement last month with the ACLU, says the county project “focuses” on ensuring that the county “is prepared for flood-fighting activities.” Toward the end of the release, it says “the County is aware that there are homeless encampments in the project area.”
The county’s statements lack credibility, said Aly. “[Their] narrative is debunked by these emails.”
In response, Braun said: “The County has continuously reiterated the fact that the OC Public Works project begun earlier this year from Orangewood to Hesperian is for flood control maintenance and security.
“This exact area has been previously utilized for stockpiling of flood control materials, is private County maintenance road that is restricted from public access, and is one of the County’s largest and most central points for the flood control material storage.”
Asked if she can say Nelson did not request the project south of Angel Stadium, she again deferred comment to Nelson’s office.
A homeless man who said he witnessed the eviction north of Katella near the Honda Center said it happened quickly.
Sylvester Gomez said multiple law enforcement agencies participated in evicting the homeless people in a matter of hours. He compared it to a fast-paced military operation, saying it was like a “shock and awe” or “blitzkrieg” campaign to get homeless people out of the area.
As for the “maintenance” project Nelson requested, Gomez said: “They’re just using that as an excuse to get us out.”
When their camp was broken up, he said many homeless people moved further south, closer to Angel Stadium, as well as to the west side of the river.
County officials say their maintenance work that Nelson requested at the camp north of Katella was performed between late August and mid-September.
“The individuals encamped in the area were provided approximately two weeks’ notice before being asked to voluntarily relocate from the area,” the county statement says.
“The individuals were told to take their personal property, and any personal property they wished to have stored by OC Public Works was collected and made available for 90 days at the Portola Yard. Additional items that were left behind were treated as debris that was disposed of by OC Public Works crews.”
At the time of the August clear-out that Nelson requested, the county had no shelter option for most of the single adults living on the streets. Its Courtyard shelter didn’t open in Santa Ana until October, and has since become heavily occupied. And the county’s winter armory shelters – which generally don’t allow the pets that many homeless people have – didn’t open until December.
The camp north of Katella ran adjacent to a bike path frequented by cyclists from across the county, as well as parking lots for an Extended Stay America hotel, an office building, and the Cinemark Century Stadium 25 movie theater.
It was also across the street from the Sheriff’s Department’s public pistol range and regional training facility for law enforcement. And it would have been visible from the Honda Center’s parking lot.
The clear-out also came about two weeks before the Disneyland Half-Marathon, in which participants ran along the west side of the river on Sept. 3 and would have been able to see the encampment.
Marathon spokeswoman Jessica Baker didn’t return a phone message asking if Disney had a role in getting the camp cleared out.
There was another sweep of homeless camps on the west side of the river north of Katella on Sept. 2, the day before the half marathon, according to a video by homeless activist Lou Noble.
Police were on hand as inmate workers from the county jail cleared out homeless people’s belongings on the western side of the river north of Katella, according to Noble’s video.
Noble claimed the homeless people were being cleared out because the Disneyland event’s route would be going along that section of the riverbed and officials didn’t want participants to see the homeless encampment.
County officials disclosed the emails to Aly on March 3, but not the photos that showed the before and after images of the encampment. Aly requested that attachment on March 10 and received it March 15.
After repeated public criticism and legal battles from advocates, Aly said Nelson called him and other activists last week to express a desire to work with them.
The outreach is welcome, Aly said, adding he and others would continue to press Nelson and the rest of the supervisors to take stronger action to help homeless people. He said he and other activists are ready to work with them.
The fingers
10 TW
http://www.10news.com/news/clean-up-of-san-diego-river-homeless-encampment-chop-shop-to-beginAnother river being cleaned up.
The fingers
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https://sf.curbed.com/2017/6/27/15880358/hairball-homeless-camp-bike-path
A San Francisco cyclist going by the name Steve Sanders on YouTube uploaded a revealing video of his morning commute last week, documenting the number of tents and improvised lean-to structures around and underneath the 101 freeway near Cesar Chavez Street.
According to the anonymous tip that brought the video to Curbed SF’s attention, the footage made quite a splash with Bayview residents on NextDoor, many of whom use this route to commute to Potrero Hill and SoMa jobs.
Sanders navigates the tricky path approaching the commercial storage facility at 2501 Cesar Chavez Street from the south, initially encountering a pronounced but not exactly surprising population of tents.
But the footage reaches a point where makeshift living spaces take up most of the bike path. Many of the campers are storing bikes of their own, while others wrangle things like office furniture and even a barbecue. Orange traffic cones of indeterminate origin skirt the outlines of the encampment.
This is not a new problem. Back in August of 2016, a Streetsblog reader complained about the dangers of navigating around the Cesar Chavez/101 area, known as “the Hairball”:
There have often been a couple of tents there, but now there’s at least six tents, and a bunch of people standing around, ironically, a pile of bikes. [...] Yesterday I had someone exit their tent right in front of me in the very narrow space left for me to pass, and today I had to weave around several people.”
This could be a verbatim description of Sanders’ footage, except that there are now far more than half a dozen tents.
Back in January, SFist noted that the city had driven nearly 100 people from tents in this same area in May of 2016, but that the area remains a refuge to encampments, as it has for decades.
Campers who hunker down in the slightly lawless and confused area around the Hairball—Caltrans and city-owned property merge here, making jurisdiction a hassle—apparently took to the bike paths after being pushed out of other nearby spots.
A San Francisco cyclist going by the name Steve Sanders on YouTube uploaded a revealing video of his morning commute last week, documenting the number of tents and improvised lean-to structures around and underneath the 101 freeway near Cesar Chavez Street.
According to the anonymous tip that brought the video to Curbed SF’s attention, the footage made quite a splash with Bayview residents on NextDoor, many of whom use this route to commute to Potrero Hill and SoMa jobs.
Sanders navigates the tricky path approaching the commercial storage facility at 2501 Cesar Chavez Street from the south, initially encountering a pronounced but not exactly surprising population of tents.
But the footage reaches a point where makeshift living spaces take up most of the bike path. Many of the campers are storing bikes of their own, while others wrangle things like office furniture and even a barbecue. Orange traffic cones of indeterminate origin skirt the outlines of the encampment.
This is not a new problem. Back in August of 2016, a Streetsblog reader complained about the dangers of navigating around the Cesar Chavez/101 area, known as “the Hairball”:
There have often been a couple of tents there, but now there’s at least six tents, and a bunch of people standing around, ironically, a pile of bikes. [...] Yesterday I had someone exit their tent right in front of me in the very narrow space left for me to pass, and today I had to weave around several people.”
This could be a verbatim description of Sanders’ footage, except that there are now far more than half a dozen tents.
Back in January, SFist noted that the city had driven nearly 100 people from tents in this same area in May of 2016, but that the area remains a refuge to encampments, as it has for decades.
Campers who hunker down in the slightly lawless and confused area around the Hairball—Caltrans and city-owned property merge here, making jurisdiction a hassle—apparently took to the bike paths after being pushed out of other nearby spots.
markz
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Nothing to do with bikes, but tent city near Justins place in Oppenheimer park (I think is where it was) has been moved to another park because A) Theres not enough space in shelters and B) The city forced them to leave Oppenheimer park. Victoria BC had a by-law that stated anyone can camp in a city park, as long as you setup past 9pm and leave before 8am or something along those lines. I will grab some articles for you.
I dont know what a "Lady on an eBike" could do in a situation like that, riding around tents blocking the pathway. Why dont police clear out the enfringements to the pathway at a minimum.
June 9, 2015
http://globalnews.ca/news/2045502/victorias-parks-become-camps-for-homeless/
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vancouver-s-new-tent-city-to-stay-judge-dismisses-injunction-application-1.4120813
I dont know what a "Lady on an eBike" could do in a situation like that, riding around tents blocking the pathway. Why dont police clear out the enfringements to the pathway at a minimum.
June 9, 2015
http://globalnews.ca/news/2045502/victorias-parks-become-camps-for-homeless/
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vancouver-s-new-tent-city-to-stay-judge-dismisses-injunction-application-1.4120813
The fingers
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http://www.foxla.com/news/local-news/268507638-story
By: Stephanie Stanton, Jeffrey Thomas DeSocio
POSTED: JUL 17 2017 04:37PM PDT
UPDATED: JUL 17 2017 07:38PM PDT
ANAHEIM, Calif. (FOX 11 / CNS) - Orange County public works officials began maintenance work Monday on a 2,300-foot section of the Santa Ana riverbed near the Honda Center in Anaheim, displacing a few dozen transients in the process.
"It just hurts... people don't realize that." A tearful Jennifer Herbst said standing beside her shopping cart of possessions describing what it feels like to be homeless. "It's hard to find your next meal...it's hard to cool off in the summer months...it's hard to take a nap." Herbst cried.
Homeless encampments have popped up along the riverbed, prompting complaints from bicyclists and hikers along the trails and presenting legal issues for the county, as homeless advocates have sued in federal court to
curtain maintenance in those areas.
"We need to stand up for human beings. We've got disabled vets, people in wheel chairs...we've got to stand up for each other." said homeless activist Heidi Zimmermann who accuses the county of destroying property of some of the homeless - a charge the county strongly denies.
The Orange County Board of Supervisors last month approved spending $750,000 to hire a contractor to tackle an array of issues related to homelessness in the county.
The contractor's main goal is to help get the mass congregation of transients along the riverbed into shelters or more long-term housing elsewhere.
Last week, officials from the county's public works and healthcare agency departments began alerting transients along the riverbed in the Anaheim area along Katella Avenue that maintenance was to begin Monday, meaning they had to find somewhere else to stay.
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"We've seen about 30-40 encampments - 40, 50, 60 individuals that we're working with so we know it's a growing problem." said Shannon Widor, Public Information Officer for Orange County Public Works.
It says it will work with people to find shelter but called their presence here problematic. "Physical threats to cyclists along the public bike trail from trash and debris...to drug use." said Widor.
Most of the transients moved to the west side of the riverbed, which is a public bike trail. The east side is prohibited to the public, Widor said. Orange County Healthcare Agency officials offered assistance to the transients on getting shelter elsewhere, such as the one in downtown Santa Ana, but they all refused, Widor said.
"There are still a handful of people here," Widor said this afternoon. "But it's gone exceptionally well. We think some folks voluntarily left well in advance of today. And many people left today."
Officials were helping the transients sort through their belongings to determine what's trash and what needs to be stored, Widor said. "We set up a storage area along the river, kind of near Angel Stadium," Widor said. "We'll store those belongings for up to 90 days."
Orange County Supervisor Shawn Nelson, who has led efforts to help the area's homeless over the years, said it's a complex situation with no easy solution. But, Nelson said, the riverbed is not an appropriate place for
anyone. "It would be no different than pitching a tent on an airfield at John Wayne Airport," Nelson said. "Just because it's available dirt doesn't make it available for camping... The flood-control channel is a workplace. We have trucks going in and out of there."
There's also an environmental concern to keep in mind, as well, Nelson said. "It (the riverbed) goes direct to the ocean," he said. "Chemicals and batteries, lighter fluid, gasoline for a generator -- none of that stuff is
supposed to be in the river bed."
The riverbed encampments have also led to conflicts with bikers and hikers on the trail, Nelson said.
"If you go down there, it's not just the sad homeless people, but there are also some disrespectful people there. Trash everywhere and they're pretty aggressive to the bikers saying, 'This is my turf,' " Nelson said.
By: Stephanie Stanton, Jeffrey Thomas DeSocio
POSTED: JUL 17 2017 04:37PM PDT
UPDATED: JUL 17 2017 07:38PM PDT
ANAHEIM, Calif. (FOX 11 / CNS) - Orange County public works officials began maintenance work Monday on a 2,300-foot section of the Santa Ana riverbed near the Honda Center in Anaheim, displacing a few dozen transients in the process.
"It just hurts... people don't realize that." A tearful Jennifer Herbst said standing beside her shopping cart of possessions describing what it feels like to be homeless. "It's hard to find your next meal...it's hard to cool off in the summer months...it's hard to take a nap." Herbst cried.
Homeless encampments have popped up along the riverbed, prompting complaints from bicyclists and hikers along the trails and presenting legal issues for the county, as homeless advocates have sued in federal court to
curtain maintenance in those areas.
"We need to stand up for human beings. We've got disabled vets, people in wheel chairs...we've got to stand up for each other." said homeless activist Heidi Zimmermann who accuses the county of destroying property of some of the homeless - a charge the county strongly denies.
The Orange County Board of Supervisors last month approved spending $750,000 to hire a contractor to tackle an array of issues related to homelessness in the county.
The contractor's main goal is to help get the mass congregation of transients along the riverbed into shelters or more long-term housing elsewhere.
Last week, officials from the county's public works and healthcare agency departments began alerting transients along the riverbed in the Anaheim area along Katella Avenue that maintenance was to begin Monday, meaning they had to find somewhere else to stay.
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"We've seen about 30-40 encampments - 40, 50, 60 individuals that we're working with so we know it's a growing problem." said Shannon Widor, Public Information Officer for Orange County Public Works.
It says it will work with people to find shelter but called their presence here problematic. "Physical threats to cyclists along the public bike trail from trash and debris...to drug use." said Widor.
Most of the transients moved to the west side of the riverbed, which is a public bike trail. The east side is prohibited to the public, Widor said. Orange County Healthcare Agency officials offered assistance to the transients on getting shelter elsewhere, such as the one in downtown Santa Ana, but they all refused, Widor said.
"There are still a handful of people here," Widor said this afternoon. "But it's gone exceptionally well. We think some folks voluntarily left well in advance of today. And many people left today."
Officials were helping the transients sort through their belongings to determine what's trash and what needs to be stored, Widor said. "We set up a storage area along the river, kind of near Angel Stadium," Widor said. "We'll store those belongings for up to 90 days."
Orange County Supervisor Shawn Nelson, who has led efforts to help the area's homeless over the years, said it's a complex situation with no easy solution. But, Nelson said, the riverbed is not an appropriate place for
anyone. "It would be no different than pitching a tent on an airfield at John Wayne Airport," Nelson said. "Just because it's available dirt doesn't make it available for camping... The flood-control channel is a workplace. We have trucks going in and out of there."
There's also an environmental concern to keep in mind, as well, Nelson said. "It (the riverbed) goes direct to the ocean," he said. "Chemicals and batteries, lighter fluid, gasoline for a generator -- none of that stuff is
supposed to be in the river bed."
The riverbed encampments have also led to conflicts with bikers and hikers on the trail, Nelson said.
"If you go down there, it's not just the sad homeless people, but there are also some disrespectful people there. Trash everywhere and they're pretty aggressive to the bikers saying, 'This is my turf,' " Nelson said.
markz
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The solution to the problem is diverse and large.
Perhaps they can look at warehousing them in an industrial warehouse and have a bus system pick them up from a few pickup spots. This is done in Calgary by Mustard Seed a Christian organization. Its "dry" place for homeless to sleep, eat, shower and do laundry. I have volunteered there and the 6'Lx3.5'W by 4" thick foam mattresses are literally 2" away from each other. It may be the cheapest solution to get many out of encampments. There will always be the hardened bum that wont buy that. They prefer to sleep outside and scavange for food. There's gotta be a balance between the warehouse model and a sense of self dignity to the homeless.
Perhaps they can look at warehousing them in an industrial warehouse and have a bus system pick them up from a few pickup spots. This is done in Calgary by Mustard Seed a Christian organization. Its "dry" place for homeless to sleep, eat, shower and do laundry. I have volunteered there and the 6'Lx3.5'W by 4" thick foam mattresses are literally 2" away from each other. It may be the cheapest solution to get many out of encampments. There will always be the hardened bum that wont buy that. They prefer to sleep outside and scavange for food. There's gotta be a balance between the warehouse model and a sense of self dignity to the homeless.
Ykick
1 GW
It used to be called a housing crisis but it’s more like a housing catastrophe.
I’ve noticed many large encampments driving along the 57 next to Anaheim stadium for several months now. I wondered when it would be addressed. Typical government "hired contractors" they'll just toss out the easy ones and let the dangerous types continue to do whatever they do.
Unless you’ve already been in the So CA real estate game bringing inheritance and/or some bank roll into the market 2 people with good jobs can’t afford to buy a home and live here anymore. Even in the shitty neighborhoods....
I’ve noticed many large encampments driving along the 57 next to Anaheim stadium for several months now. I wondered when it would be addressed. Typical government "hired contractors" they'll just toss out the easy ones and let the dangerous types continue to do whatever they do.
Unless you’ve already been in the So CA real estate game bringing inheritance and/or some bank roll into the market 2 people with good jobs can’t afford to buy a home and live here anymore. Even in the shitty neighborhoods....
The fingers said:
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http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article166320542.html 
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11,000 sign petition to clear homeless from Santa Ana River Trail
http://www.ocregister.com/2017/08/31/11000-sign-petition-to-clear-homeless-from-santa-ana-river-trail-state-of-emergency-considered/
http://www.ocregister.com/2017/08/31/11000-sign-petition-to-clear-homeless-from-santa-ana-river-trail-state-of-emergency-considered/
The fingers
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http://www.turnto23.com/news/local-news/one-person-killed-in-collision-on-union-pacheco 
UPDATE (7:46 a.m.): According to the CHP, a man trying to steal a bike from a Fastrip on Union and Pacheco was hit and killed by a two-ton flatbed.
CHP says a person rode their bike to Fastrip then went inside to buy items. While that person was inside a man tried to steal the bike. The person who was trying to steal the bike rode off then entered Pacheco when they were hit by the flatbed.
CHP says it looks like the person who was on the bike was at fault.
UPDATE (7:46 a.m.): According to the CHP, a man trying to steal a bike from a Fastrip on Union and Pacheco was hit and killed by a two-ton flatbed.
CHP says a person rode their bike to Fastrip then went inside to buy items. While that person was inside a man tried to steal the bike. The person who was trying to steal the bike rode off then entered Pacheco when they were hit by the flatbed.
CHP says it looks like the person who was on the bike was at fault.
skyungjae
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The fingers said:
I was going to post the same link. I've never ridden down SART, but I'm not that far from it.
Hopefully they can do something that doesn't scatter these folks all over OC.
J4ck
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Will second suggestions of awareness, u-lock, and horn. My first suggestion would be a strong whistle worn around the neck, a popular choice among bike messengers in my area.
The Fox 40 micro is a good pick. Small, flat, and won't "overblow" in a panic.
http://amzn.to/2iPJSno
The Fox 40 micro is a good pick. Small, flat, and won't "overblow" in a panic.
http://amzn.to/2iPJSno
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http://www.ocregister.com/2017/10/30/county-to-restrict-access-on-santa-ana-river-trail-and-shut-down-fountain-valley-homeless-encampment/
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http://www.ocregister.com/2017/10/30/county-to-restrict-access-on-santa-ana-river-trail-and-shut-down-fountain-valley-homeless-encampment/
County to restrict access on Santa Ana River trail and shut down Fountain Valley homeless encampment
By THERESA WALKER and GREG MELLEN | Orange County Register
PUBLISHED: October 30, 2017 at 7:20 pm | UPDATED: November 1, 2017 at 8:09 am
The county will begin enforcing public access hours on a 10-mile stretch of the Santa Ana River Trail from Fountain Valley to Anaheim, starting Friday, Nov. 3, and plans to permanently close part of that area, dislocating at least 100 homeless people living in tent encampments on the trail near Centennial Regional Park.
Violators will be issued citations under the plan that calls for permanently closing the west side of the channel where the bike trail traverses from Adams Avenue in Fountain Valley to 17th Street in Santa Ana, on Nov. 10. Use of the trail on both sides of the river from Adams to Imperial Highway will be restricted to public operating hours, basically during daylight.
Later this year, the county will begin installing reinforced gates along the targeted area at all the public entrances, which will be locked during off hours, said Carrie Braun, the public information officer for Orange County.
The bike trail from Adams to Imperial will be closed to public access from 6 p.m. to 7 a.m. Nov. 1 through Feb. 28, 2018, and then from 9 p.m. to 7 a.m. when the weather begins to warm up, March 1, 2018, to Oct. 31, 2018.
The enforcement crackdown will not be imposed on the river trail in the area of Angel Stadium in Anaheim, where a court injunction is in effect from roughly Chapman Avenue to the railroad tracks near Ball Road. The county recently stepped up law enforcement patrols in that area and earlier this year hired the nonprofit City Net to do outreach among about 400 homeless people living in the shadow of the Big A sign, part of a long-term plan to move people out of the riverbed area.
Several of the homeless people living in tents and makeshift dwellings that stretch between Edinger Avenue and Harbor Boulevard in Fountain Valley said Monday that they have not been given any official notice to move. But rumors flew up and down the trail.
Larry Ford, who flies a “Don’t Tread on Me” banner on one side of his tent, said he will not go quietly and planned to contact the American Civil Liberties Union.
“We have the right to be here,” said Ford, 53, contending that the bike trail and the river bed are public land where citizens like him and his girlfriend, Lisa Weber, 57, can stay if they want. The couple has been living on the trail near Centennial Park for nearly three months and has been at different spots further south since March, theysaid.
“It comes down to a Constitutional thing, a human rights thing,” Ford said.
The county cites a variety of reasons for the new bike trail enforcement, including public safety issues, health and sanitation concerns, and maintenance work that has been deferred because of the presence of the homeless population. The county plans to install more signs to alert the public to the hours when the bike trail is open; existing no trespassing or loitering signs largely go ignored.
Locking the gates to the river trail also will impact its use by recreational bicyclists and others. Braun said the county’s parks department is reaching out to cycling groups and other recreationists to make sure they are aware of the coming change.
Public officials have been hearing from residents and homeowners in Fountain Valley for the past few months who say their nearby neighborhoods are suffering from increased crime they associate with the rise of homeless people living along the bike trail.
Kris Gillan, who lives at the New Chase condominiums that abut the river trail property south of Edinger in Fountain Valley, said the homeless encampment has doubled or tripled in size since summer when she and other residents began to ask for help. She said on Sunday night a large red tent was erected near the access gate from her complex to the trail, but was removed when residents complained.
Gillan said she wants to see how the new enforcement effort by the county plays out.
“My concern is someone will step in and block enforcement,” she said, noting past legal entanglements that have stymied enforcement elsewhere.
Homeless advocate Mohammed Aly, who has visited the homeless people in the area of New Chase, called the county’s planned action part of an “illegal” attempt to clear all the homeless encampments from the river bed.
“The county will either fail, and also have to pay plaintiff’s attorneys fees after losing an injunction, or succeed, and push hundreds of homeless people into the neighborhoods of already frustrated Anaheim and Orange residents,” Aly said in an email.
“Residents of Orange, Anaheim, Santa Ana, Fountain Valley, Costa Mesa, and Tustin, among other nearby cities, should be concerned,” Aly added, and “they can confront the County Board of Supervisors at their public meetings.”
County Supervisor Todd Spitzer’s office issued a statement Monday afternoon about the enforcement plan, calling it a “progressive next step” being undertaken to ensure the safety of all citizens while also attempting to treat the homeless population with compassion.
“People living in the encampments have every opportunity to accept a pathway out of homelessness. There should be no excuse, and people not accepting assistance will have no choice but to leave the riverbed,” said Spitzer, whose Third District includes parts of Anaheim, the city with the largest homeless concentration in Orange County.
“I am committed to helping those in need while preserving the quality of life taxpayers in Orange County should always expect.”
Also on Monday, the county opened the doors to the National Guard armory in Santa Ana early this year for use as a nightly sleeping area for the homeless during the winter months. The Fullerton armory is expected to begin operating Nov. 16.
The armories might be an alternative for those homeless people who will be displaced from the river trail in Fountain Valley. Braun said the county will offer to store their belongings, which can’t be kept at the armories, for up to 90 days and possibly longer, should they choose that shelter option.
But Cherie Schulze, 59, who shares a tent midway between Edinger and Harbor Boulevard with her husband, said they have been on a list for supportive housing more than a year. The armory, which doesn’t allow pets, wouldn’t work for them, she said: “We can’t. We have a dog.”
Like others along the trail, the couple said they don’t know where they will move to next.
Whether locking gates and issuing a citation will be enough to discourage homeless people from settling along the river trail remains to be seen.
Pamela Swartz, a Fountain Valley resident who spoke to county supervisors about her concerns, said she hoped the enforcement would be more than just cosmetic.
“If they just issue citations, I don’t think that’s enough,” she said. “I don’t know. It’s a start.”
County to restrict access on Santa Ana River trail and shut down Fountain Valley homeless encampment
By THERESA WALKER and GREG MELLEN | Orange County Register
PUBLISHED: October 30, 2017 at 7:20 pm | UPDATED: November 1, 2017 at 8:09 am
The county will begin enforcing public access hours on a 10-mile stretch of the Santa Ana River Trail from Fountain Valley to Anaheim, starting Friday, Nov. 3, and plans to permanently close part of that area, dislocating at least 100 homeless people living in tent encampments on the trail near Centennial Regional Park.
Violators will be issued citations under the plan that calls for permanently closing the west side of the channel where the bike trail traverses from Adams Avenue in Fountain Valley to 17th Street in Santa Ana, on Nov. 10. Use of the trail on both sides of the river from Adams to Imperial Highway will be restricted to public operating hours, basically during daylight.
Later this year, the county will begin installing reinforced gates along the targeted area at all the public entrances, which will be locked during off hours, said Carrie Braun, the public information officer for Orange County.
The bike trail from Adams to Imperial will be closed to public access from 6 p.m. to 7 a.m. Nov. 1 through Feb. 28, 2018, and then from 9 p.m. to 7 a.m. when the weather begins to warm up, March 1, 2018, to Oct. 31, 2018.
The enforcement crackdown will not be imposed on the river trail in the area of Angel Stadium in Anaheim, where a court injunction is in effect from roughly Chapman Avenue to the railroad tracks near Ball Road. The county recently stepped up law enforcement patrols in that area and earlier this year hired the nonprofit City Net to do outreach among about 400 homeless people living in the shadow of the Big A sign, part of a long-term plan to move people out of the riverbed area.
Several of the homeless people living in tents and makeshift dwellings that stretch between Edinger Avenue and Harbor Boulevard in Fountain Valley said Monday that they have not been given any official notice to move. But rumors flew up and down the trail.
Larry Ford, who flies a “Don’t Tread on Me” banner on one side of his tent, said he will not go quietly and planned to contact the American Civil Liberties Union.
“We have the right to be here,” said Ford, 53, contending that the bike trail and the river bed are public land where citizens like him and his girlfriend, Lisa Weber, 57, can stay if they want. The couple has been living on the trail near Centennial Park for nearly three months and has been at different spots further south since March, theysaid.
“It comes down to a Constitutional thing, a human rights thing,” Ford said.
The county cites a variety of reasons for the new bike trail enforcement, including public safety issues, health and sanitation concerns, and maintenance work that has been deferred because of the presence of the homeless population. The county plans to install more signs to alert the public to the hours when the bike trail is open; existing no trespassing or loitering signs largely go ignored.
Locking the gates to the river trail also will impact its use by recreational bicyclists and others. Braun said the county’s parks department is reaching out to cycling groups and other recreationists to make sure they are aware of the coming change.
Public officials have been hearing from residents and homeowners in Fountain Valley for the past few months who say their nearby neighborhoods are suffering from increased crime they associate with the rise of homeless people living along the bike trail.
Kris Gillan, who lives at the New Chase condominiums that abut the river trail property south of Edinger in Fountain Valley, said the homeless encampment has doubled or tripled in size since summer when she and other residents began to ask for help. She said on Sunday night a large red tent was erected near the access gate from her complex to the trail, but was removed when residents complained.
Gillan said she wants to see how the new enforcement effort by the county plays out.
“My concern is someone will step in and block enforcement,” she said, noting past legal entanglements that have stymied enforcement elsewhere.
Homeless advocate Mohammed Aly, who has visited the homeless people in the area of New Chase, called the county’s planned action part of an “illegal” attempt to clear all the homeless encampments from the river bed.
“The county will either fail, and also have to pay plaintiff’s attorneys fees after losing an injunction, or succeed, and push hundreds of homeless people into the neighborhoods of already frustrated Anaheim and Orange residents,” Aly said in an email.
“Residents of Orange, Anaheim, Santa Ana, Fountain Valley, Costa Mesa, and Tustin, among other nearby cities, should be concerned,” Aly added, and “they can confront the County Board of Supervisors at their public meetings.”
County Supervisor Todd Spitzer’s office issued a statement Monday afternoon about the enforcement plan, calling it a “progressive next step” being undertaken to ensure the safety of all citizens while also attempting to treat the homeless population with compassion.
“People living in the encampments have every opportunity to accept a pathway out of homelessness. There should be no excuse, and people not accepting assistance will have no choice but to leave the riverbed,” said Spitzer, whose Third District includes parts of Anaheim, the city with the largest homeless concentration in Orange County.
“I am committed to helping those in need while preserving the quality of life taxpayers in Orange County should always expect.”
Also on Monday, the county opened the doors to the National Guard armory in Santa Ana early this year for use as a nightly sleeping area for the homeless during the winter months. The Fullerton armory is expected to begin operating Nov. 16.
The armories might be an alternative for those homeless people who will be displaced from the river trail in Fountain Valley. Braun said the county will offer to store their belongings, which can’t be kept at the armories, for up to 90 days and possibly longer, should they choose that shelter option.
But Cherie Schulze, 59, who shares a tent midway between Edinger and Harbor Boulevard with her husband, said they have been on a list for supportive housing more than a year. The armory, which doesn’t allow pets, wouldn’t work for them, she said: “We can’t. We have a dog.”
Like others along the trail, the couple said they don’t know where they will move to next.
Whether locking gates and issuing a citation will be enough to discourage homeless people from settling along the river trail remains to be seen.
Pamela Swartz, a Fountain Valley resident who spoke to county supervisors about her concerns, said she hoped the enforcement would be more than just cosmetic.
“If they just issue citations, I don’t think that’s enough,” she said. “I don’t know. It’s a start.”
markz
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For the shelter at the armory, will it be a wet or dry shelter. Can people come in hammered as frock or do they have to be sober. Setting up laundry facilities and shower facilities along with the planned storage would be helpful to the homeless bums. It needs to be year round though and not just cold months of the year. Then those who need help can get training and a job, while the lifers can come and go.
