bms capacity related to battery amps

guido

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there we go
after blowing one triac on my bms, spare parts are flying towards me as I write and the bike will be fully operational again soon..............but

I would like to know if my bms is really up to the job
bms capacity 33 amps continuous, 60 amps max at 48 volts
battery 16 pairs of 16 amp cells so a 32 amp 48 volt battery (yes a total of 32 cells headway lifepo4 40160S)
load a 1200 watt cyclone
in my reasoning the load is only 1200/48 = 24 amps so I should be ok...................or not, any thoughts anyone
thanks bye
 
Well, cyclones and other chain drive through the bike derailur sytems can pull a hell of a spike if you start out in the wrong, too high, gear.

Lotsa cyclones have eaten batteries that way, as well as toasting off motors and controllers.

So the answer is a definite maybe.

In other words, 24 amps should be pretty ok for a brief period. Typically on flat ground, your motor will naturaly pull a lot less to go 25 mph. But the question is, what amps are your actually pulling in the real world? Only an ampmeter can tell you for sure.

If you have no wattmeter, or CA, a 12v car ampmeter is cheap. 48v won't fry it. You can put it in between the battery and controller, and at least get an idea what amps you pull. It won't give you fine gradations, but you will know if you pull 20 amps or 40. Good for learning how to shift the bike so you pull less and don't ride in the wrong gear.
 
ok a definite thanks,
apparently the world of lipo isnot that straightforward, and yes out here the hills are steep 8 % for 4 km to get home from the bakery
never knew I could pulll more than 24 amps with this engine

well new at the game so I ll probably be paying dearly in the near future for my experiments.............

will get that amp meter though thanks for the advise
 
i thought a triac was a solid state switching device for AC current. but you have a DC battery.

the BMS is in the ground lead of the battery so why would it have a triac and who manufactured this?

you should post up pictures and tell us who made the BMS instead of just making general comments because there is no way to know what you are talking about.
 
A triac is a basical diode/amplifier or analog switch, with a gate.

It blocks any current flow over the mains, until you apply steering voltage over the gate.
Depending on the voltage you put over the gate, the output will increase/decrease by a factor. (think of it as an audio amplifier, or signal amplifier in it's simplest way).

I don't have much electronic knowledge, but this I know..

I presume you mean Thyristor (to convert DC to AC)?
 
so you are saying that a triac is a DC device with a gate?

there is a 'steering' voltage that steers it? does it make it go negative or positive?

how does a thyrister convert DC to AC?
 
dnmun said:
so you are saying that a triac is a DC device with a gate?

there is a 'steering' voltage that steers it? does it make it go negative or positive?

how does a thyrister convert DC to AC?

as for the thyristor, pardon me, I meant to say AC to DC, and even that is incorrect,
Blame my years of not touching the stuff in the drawers for that!
I'm not really too well versed in electronics,we only had 1 or 2 hours a week back in my school days.

Triac:
Depending on the composition PNP or NPN,there's a positive,or negative voltage to be applied to the gate.
A triac has 3 'legs'.
On the first leg you connect a positive terminal. On the last leg you connect the other terminal of your machine, just like what you do with a diode.
First and last leg are used as power circuit.

On the gate you put a separate steering voltage, that is usually much lower than the powered line you connected to the other legs (eg: powered voltage is 220V, gate voltage is 9V). It's good for steering electric equipment without being exposed to high voltage lines.

basically a triac is a diode that's always open (meaning no current flows through), until you apply a voltage on the gate! Then, depending on the voltage you put on the gate, the other two will close (meaning there will be a current flow, in direct correlation to the input voltage on the gate); eg: you put 3V on the gate, there will still be no flow; 6V and from say the 100V you put over the outter legs, there's a voltage drop of a few volts, acts like a resistor, 9V, and the triac nearly acts like a copper wire.

A thyristor is basically the same as a triac. Together with a graetz bridge (diode bridge) it can be used as an AC to DC convertor.
From what I just read, is that a thyristor is more used like a switch. Once voltage is applied to the gate, the device remains closed (meaning a current will continue to flow) even if you turn off the gate.
In other words,you won't need to constantly be supplying it with a steering voltage.

It's used in TV's. as soon as you turn on your tv, you don't need to keep your finger on the power button, as soon as you release it, the tv will continue to be in the 'on' state, until you break the electrical connection. That's the work of a thyristor. (you break the connection by unplugging and replugging the tv, it should be in an 'off' state; or another electronic chip will break the electronic circuit to the thyristor long enough for the thyristor to shut down.

It is also used when voltage on it's legs reaches a maximum, it will turn on.
Say an AC socket lightning protection. When the voltage is within specs, nothing unusual happens. When the voltage suddenly increases (eg: with a lightning strike), a thyristor will short circuit the socket, so your electronic device will be spared from overvoltage and damage (or likewise, when lightning strikes your household appliance,a thyristor will short circuit, to protect the net from a voltage spike. A fuse works much slower than a thyristor, and with a fuse it's possible to create a voltage spike over the net and damage other electronic equipment plugged in.


Wikipedia will tell you more.
 
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