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Hillhater said:Its only the 2019 unique result that gives any hope of a growing sales trend.
And what do you think will happen in 2020 then?
Hillhater said:Its only the 2019 unique result that gives any hope of a growing sales trend.
jonescg said:Mainly Australia being really slow to get new models in. The compliance process is quite tedious and expensive, but that only explains part of it. We are a very small RHD market - the world only makes our cars reluctantly. Decent BEVs were available elsewhere, but they're not making it here fast enough.Ianhill said:I know aus can be a little strange on their import rules was that of any effect or you mean the lack of manufacturers not releasing decent BEV.
Ianhill said:Just done a quick search on locking up carbon as a liquid or a solid and at our 1 atmosphere carbon dioxide exists as a gas at atmospheric pressure and global temp but it turns into a solid around -78c that's very energy intensive to reach and maintain but if we increase the pressure to 70 atmospheres its required temp to stay a soild will be raised to -56c but it is then possible to exist as a liquid from that range to 30c making it possible to store in a very dense form but that's one mighty pump to get to them levels and one heck of a pressure vessel.
The trick would then be to get that locked in suspension so the pressure can be removed and the carbon stay trapped in some other material like a rock etc.
I did see something special about water that makes it unique to other substances, if we take ice and apply pressure to it we can turn it back into a liquid, it's also the only other substances that expands as it freezes it has a very interesting phase change diagram compared to c02.
Carbon sequestration can be made to work under very specific circumstances, geology permitting. But the main reason it's not being done in any meaningful way is because it usually doesn't work and they really don't want to do it. Either the energetics are crazy (takes an extra 25% of primary energy to compress and cool a portion of the emissions) or in the case of the massive Gorgon gas hub development in north west Western Australia, they only got permission to build the hub on the condition they use capture and storage. They never even filed the planning docs when the first cubic metre of gas came up. After 10 years and millions of tons of CO2 later, they ask for an extension of the state government. Who of course gave them an extension because they are politically beholden to the gas giants. Meanwhile nothing has happened.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/nov/14/half-of-australias-emissions-increase-linked-to-was-gorgon-lng-plant
That article is old, but don't worry, still nothing has happened.
Hillhater said:And you have a very strange understanding of sales GROWTH.,!
What point are you trying to make bill?billvon said:Hillhater said:And you have a very strange understanding of sales GROWTH.,!
2011 sales: 49
2018 sales: 1352
https://www.statista.com/statistics/789981/australia-electric-vehicle-sales/
In math, in the real world, 1352 > 49.
Actually , just to set the record straight, Australia may not have direct subsidies, but it does have significant tax incentives for EVs..jonescg said:Australia has no EV subsidies...
Stamp Duty and Registration
Australian Capital Territory – Brand New electric vehicles pay $0 stamp duty for their initial purchase and receive a 20% discount on registration. Learn more.
Victoria – Electric vehicles are exempt from the “luxury vehicle” rate of stamp duty, paying a flat rate of $8.40 per $200 of market value, rather than up to $18 for polluting vehicles. All electric vehicles also receive a $100 annual discount on vehicle registration. Learn more.
Queensland - Electric and hybrid vehicles pay reduced stamp duty: $2 per $100 up to $100,000, and $4 per $100 value thereafter (compared to up to $6 per $100 for more polluting vehicles). Learn more.
Answering my own question , those figures seem to follow the downturn of the large EV market in China since the (partial) removal of incentives in July 2019Hillhater said:Broadening the scope a little (worldwide) and considering the thread topic,..
..what do we think happened to EV sales in the 2nd half of 2019 ?
Something seems to have suppressed the sales below those of 2018 ....changes to rebates ?
....BYD's sales decline (year-over-year) accelerates every month since July 2019, when incentives were partially cut:
July: down 12%
August: down 23%
September: down 48%
October: down 54%
November: down 63%
December: down 71%
January 2020: down 75%
Downturn _starting_ last July? Let's look at the numbers!Hillhater said:The downturn in EV sales starting last July, has NOTHING to do with CV 19 effects !
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/02/exclusive-mike-braun-proposes-to-rein-in-electric-vehicle-tax-credit-for-wealthy-elites/Sen. Mike Braun (R-IN) plans to introduce legislation on Tuesday that would rein in the federal electric vehicle tax credit that primarily benefits wealthy Americans
Hillhater said:Something seems to have suppressed the sales below those of 2018 ....changes to rebates ?
?? ..check you maths..or eyes !Looks like there were dips in Apr, Jul and Oct - but increases the other eight months. And the year ended up 11% compared to July. Not bad.
Yep, like every other product everywhere.Hillhater said:Sure, they will continue to sell into those market sectors that can afford them.
Also agreed. And as battery prices drop and gas prices rise, the ratios will change again.But the rate of full market penitration will be determined by affordability.and the china situation has shown how pricing and subsidies affect that rate.
Of course. Attacking progressive environmental causes is what republicans do best. I bet he keeps that tax cut for the wealthiest Americans, though.Sen. Mike Braun (R-IN) plans to introduce legislation on Tuesday that would rein in the federal electric vehicle tax credit that primarily benefits wealthy Americans
Cool. So an upturn from July to December becomes a downturn by the magic of Tesla-hater thinking!Hillhater said:Yes..downturn from July onwards..compared to 2018....
What “upturn” ? Look at your own numbers that you posted !JackFlorey said:Cool. So an upturn from July to December becomes a downturn by the magic of Tesla-hater thinking!Hillhater said:Yes..downturn from July onwards..compared to 2018....
July 2019: ~150,000Hillhater said:What “upturn” ? Look at your own numbers that you posted !Cool. So an upturn from July to December becomes a downturn by the magic of Tesla-hater thinking!
How do you make a 20%..(200,000) reduction in those 6 months, an “upturn” ??
Your “Tesla tinted” glasses have screwed up your eyesight and thinking
JackFlorey said:Of course. Attacking progressive environmental causes is what republicans do best. I bet he keeps that tax cut for the wealthiest Americans, though.Sen. Mike Braun (R-IN) plans to introduce legislation on Tuesday that would rein in the federal electric vehicle tax credit that primarily benefits wealthy Americans
If he's trying to make the rich pay more, he's going to have to switch parties. The GOP's owners will not stand for such sacrilege.Dauntless said:Yeah, how DARE that Republican try to make the rich pay more? If he were a Democrat he'd leave benefits for the rich in protective custody.
They were the two months you specifically asked about. How funny that you would cherrypick them, then accuse me of doing it!Hillhater said:Ahh ! So cherry picking two months !
Your rapid backpedal is noted.The comment was the comparason 2019 to 2018..