Charger for 36V LiFePo

Gordon

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I just received a 36V 15ah duct tape battery from cammy.
The battery arrived with a 3a charger. I tested the output of the little charger but then it popped and smoked. I don't think I shorted it.
I'm waiting for a reply from cammy but Would probably be better off with a good quality charger than another 3a replacement from China.

What should I look for? How many amps can I safely charge at ? Where's the best place to buy?

thanks
 
For now an sla charger will be fine. ebay, or scooterparts websites are good sources. Ask cammy cc what voltage you are shooting for, it may be the same as the sla charger. If so you are all set. The prismatic packs from ping need slightly higher voltage, but the mr lau ones did not. If cammy's pack only needs about 45 v then that is what a lot of 36v sla chargers put out. To get a charger with adjustable voltage, the soneil ones usually can do that. I don't know about cammy batteries, but the ping ones like 5 amps or less.
 
dogman said:
For now an sla charger will be fine. ebay, or scooterparts websites are good sources. Ask cammy cc what voltage you are shooting for, it may be the same as the sla charger. If so you are all set. The prismatic packs from ping need slightly higher voltage, but the mr lau ones did not. If cammy's pack only needs about 45 v then that is what a lot of 36v sla chargers put out. To get a charger with adjustable voltage, the soneil ones usually can do that. I don't know about cammy batteries, but the ping ones like 5 amps or less.


Just checked his specs on his ebay store and he lists a charging voltage of 46v So any 36 volt SLA smart charger will do if it has about 45v output ?

So is the balancing I read about a function of the BMS or the charger ? I was under the impression that there was something special about a LiFePo4 charger.
Excuse my ignorance.

Battery arrive with charge of 40v in about 5 days. Communication with cammy was great as long as you remember the time zone difference.
 
Balancing is done by the bms, and needs the full 46v voltage to do it. That is the same spec as ping i think. My sla chargers put out 44.5 . The charger is just an sla smart charger with the voltage tweaked a few volts higher. I don't think there will be any harm to use a regular sla charger as long as the pack is fairly balanced to start with. The problem for you is that they tend to arrive fairly unbalanced, and take a half dozen or so cycles to wake up the cells so they can take a full charge. So right now is when the 46v charge is needed the most. If you aren't riding because it's 10 degrees out there, just wait for the replacement charger to arrive from cammy. Surely he will send you one soon, or get zinged on the forum some more. If you need to ride now, just charge with an sla charger you can get quicker from a vendor on your continent. The lower voltage charger will balance the pack, it will just take forever. When the green light goes on, there is still a tiny trickle flowing, that is meant to keep a lead battery topped up. So if you use one of those chargers, just leave it charging all the time unless you are actually riding. Very very slowly, the lower cells will come up some. The breaking in period should still be the same, about a half dozen cycles to get the cells to where they will take a full charge. I would just be real conservative about discharging too far untill you get a higher volt charger, and actually, you should be all the time, and rarely ride the battery down to cutoff, except for an occasional test.

So you can just get any 36v scooter or bike charger and do a few cycles to break it in, then with a voltmeter, you could check the cells to see if any are low after a full charging. If they are all pretty close, your pack is balanced and you don't need to worry much about a balancing charger. Soon after I got my ping, I fried my charger and rode for 1000 miles with 44.5v chargers. Since my pack was staying balanced anyway, it did not need balancing for months. Lifepo4 balancing is important, but if you use the battery in a low c rate, it may never get unbalanced in the first place.

Eventually, I opened up my soneil and tweaked it up to 46.5v but it had no discernable effect , since the pack was still balanced and seldom gets out of balance. So now it gets to 46 v hot off the charger, but as soon as you turn a wheel a few rotations, it drops to 44v. So anything above 44v is just surface charge that helps the cells get to full charge. As long as you are getting a balanced 44v into the pack, you have a full charge. Balancers are real important, but only when the battery needs it, and that is seldom with a good pack used properly.
 
Thanks dogman for taking the time to explain things to me. I just got a reply from cammy cc. He is going to replace the charger so I'll just wait.
If you aren't riding because it's 10 degrees out there..
Actually is was -14 this morning and a foot of snow on the way tomorrow. I just received an Ezee geared motor today and have plenty of time to get it all together before spring.

Thanks again ! This forum is invaluable for oldtimers like me to learn new stuff. You guys are all great. many of the discussions are way over my head but I've been taking the time to read through a lot of the threads and have certainly learned a lot of good tips.
 
Most of the discussions are way over my head too. Amazing that I am beginning to understand this stuff. I made a lot of mistakes at first, but sometimes a post of what worked as opposed to fixing problems is what new ebikers need the most.
 
Update.I just received the replacement charger from Cammy. Seems to be working fine.

The new charger is huge compared to the original . If you buy a cammy battery i would request the upgrade charge.

I did find the problem with the small 2 amp charger. The connector plug on the charger was reverse polarity of the plug on the battery. It seems to have just blown a small on board fuse. Maybe I'll be able to solder in a new fuse and get it working for a spare.
 
I have two of Cammy_CC battery......one is 36v 20AH and the other is 48v20AH...what happens if I take the BMS from the 48v battery and hitch it to the 36v battery? Thanks.

I have reservations about his chargers, and I am conducting basic tests on them before i try anything.
 
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