• Howdy! we're looking for donations to finish custom knowledgebase software for this forum. Please see our Funding drive thread

Chevy Volt is not doing too well.

Meh, Built by the devil. Who cares. If we want good qulity EVs we will have to get them from a company who builds only EVs!
 
Arlo1 said:
Meh, Built by the devil. Who cares. If we want good qulity EVs we will have to get them from a company who builds only EVs!

Amen. That thing is a piece of shit. That's coming from a hardcore alt energy EV nerd, and it's total shit.
 
grindz145 said:
Arlo1 said:
Meh, Built by the devil. Who cares. If we want good qulity EVs we will have to get them from a company who builds only EVs!

Amen. That thing is a piece of shit. That's coming from a hardcore alt energy EV nerd, and it's total shit.

This.
 
It's selling more units than the Leaf right now.

GM also has 4 models that are selling 1/2 or less per month than the Volt..
Buick LuCerne
Cadillac Escalade SUV and truck ( i forget the proper names )
Chevy Caprice.

Some of Chrysler's cars are doing worse, but i don't have any proper figures.
Smart car is selling 200 units/mo.

Many hybrid cars ( other than the prius, insight, and ford fusion ) sell in the low 1000's.
With Chevy moving an average of 700-1200 units a month. I would hardly call the Volt a failure.

Not sure why some folks have suddenly decided to make this car out to be some kind of epic failure of the Obama administration. It started development under the bush administration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Volt#Concept_vehicle

I remember the prius coming under intense fire though, from the same folks. Initial sales were crappy, and the first gen model was a bucket of turds IMHO. Now selling 10,000+ units a month for the last couple years.. they called it a failure too. Just sayin.
 
By the way, i'm not a fan of the Volt. I'd buy a Model S right now if i had the cash. But anything that gets people off foreign oil, and hooked on electrons, i'm happy with... the Volt is a stepping stone to something greater :)
 
I'm a huge fan of the volt.

If I had the cash I'd get it over a prius or leaf. (because I do make the occasional 400 mile trip, and can't afford 2 cars)
But, then comes the plug-in prius....
 
neptronix said:
Not sure why some folks have suddenly decided to make this car out to be some kind of epic failure of the Obama administration. It started development under the bush administration.

Yeah, that's a real mystery. Just spit-balling here, but it could have something to do with the $3,000,000,000.000 the Obama Admin. spent on the project.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/03/after-obama-blew-another-3-billion-gm-suspends-volt-production-lays-off-1300-workers/

[youtube]avLKiWi71cE[/youtube]
 
EBJ said:
I'm a huge fan of the volt.

If I had the cash I'd get it over a prius or leaf. (because I do make the occasional 400 mile trip, and can't afford 2 cars)
But, then comes the plug-in prius....
Nissan is installing quick chargers 80% in 28 min. http://westcoastgreenhighway.com/electrichighways.htm looks like 1254km in 24 hours for a leaf is not bad!
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/780-Miles-in-a-2011-Nissan-Leaf-in-One-Day-td3581906.html
There is some record the sale man at nissan told me last weekend its up the I5 in 24 hours with a leaf. Don't know the excatct details and can't find it. But if someone else knows. Remember they are just getting started this will get better. GAS IS DEAD!
 
StudEbiker said:
neptronix said:
Not sure why some folks have suddenly decided to make this car out to be some kind of epic failure of the Obama administration. It started development under the bush administration.

Yeah, that's a real mystery. Just spit-balling here, but it could have something to do with the $3,000,000,000.000 the Obama Admin. spent on the project.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/03/after-obama-blew-another-3-billion-gm-suspends-volt-production-lays-off-1300-workers/

[youtube]avLKiWi71cE[/youtube]

LOL, you use news sources like this as your source of information? No wonder you are misinformed.

+ no source for the 3 billion dollar number. I cannot find information on that number anywhere. I am seeing all sorts of dollar figures.

+ sales have not gone down lately, in fact they have not gone up to over 1000 units, when 6 months ago they were hovering around 600-800 units.

( this is covered in the original article that your blog linked to. )

http://www.freep.com/article/201203...or-5-weeks?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

+ the workers were not fired, but temporarily laid off. This happens often when plants are idled.

( this is also covered in the original article that your blog post linked to )

http://www.freep.com/article/201203...or-5-weeks?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

+ the volts that caught fire did so in NHTSA testing, after having their battery packs crushed. Would you have a crushed up, undriveable mangled car in your driveway or garage? Then maybe it is a danger to you. Remember when the Ford and GM SUVs were randomly exploding due to poor electrical wiring in the 90's? how they kept hundreds of instances under wraps for years... do you think this car could possibly be coming under unfair fire?

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/01/21/nhtsa-concludes-investigation-into-chevrolet-volt-fires-no-defe/

Now the congress wants to open another investigation.
 
I didn't waste my time spending too much time looking for an authoritative website. Anyone who's been following politics knows that the Volt has been Obama's baby. And I'm not going to waste bandwidth arguing about this, but the Volt is an overpriced lemon just like Obama. When the Obama administration did the bailout, the Volt was held up as the future, meanwhile, Pontiac and Saturn (and IIRC Oldsmobile) were shut down but the Volt was kept. Had Obama wanted to, he could have insisted the Volt be abandoned, but he didn't, he championed it as the greatest thing since slice bread. I don't have to link to ANY site to know that, I lived through it and was paying attention.

So this is why it is held up as a (-nother) failure of the Owebama Admin..
 
what we really need are some Volt owners to pop in here and tell us how much they love or hate it.
But since this forum is full of DIYers, I don't think there are many Volt owners here.

I've only ever sat in one. So all I can vouch for is that the interior was pretty slick.
I liked the shifter design and the rear bucket seats. Perhaps those were options or prototypes when I sat in the car,
but that was what I remember from it.

I'm also sick of people bagging on it because it "isn't 100% electric",
Just as I'm sick of people bagging on "limited range" of "100% electric".

Those Nissan-Leaf: "anti-volt" and GM Volt: "Anti-leaf" commercials piss me off because it's like shooting yourself in the foot..
They are fighting over the very small minority of "believers", rather than working to convert the very large majority "non-believers".
Then there seems to be the Toyota Prius that just sits back and watches the fight while they are going to swoop in and kick ass.
(at least that is my prediction)
 
My coworker drives one for almost a year come May and he's digging it. His commute is 38 miles from NYC and he's able to charge in the parking garage for his return so during warm weather the engine never runs. But, since cold weather battery range has dropped about 1/3 so the engine runs about 10-15 miles coming and going.

They took a Jersey Shore road trip last Fall and it did really well. Comfortable, plenty of room and easy to drive. He's got an app that helps him find charge stations and parking garages with chargers so he makes the most of it.

I don't understand the Obama hate transferred to this vehicle but political know-it-all's will stoop to whatever it takes to appease their ignorant beliefs. I think they're jealous, LOL...
 
I think the Volt is a good idea. If the Leaf appeals to more consumers, then Nissan will sell more of them. Nobody holds a gun to the head of Volt buyers.

The problem I have with the Volt is that, for what you get...the price is listed around $40,000. Access to the web means I know that some of that price is so that, a high-school graduate can get an AVERAGE of $28.02/hr working the assembly line. But...add in the benefits package (full medical/dental/optical plus retirement for current employee contributions and retired UAW workers...) adds up to roughly $73/hr. Thats not a misprint.

But i'm not a socialist. If the UAW (I'm a former UAW member from when I worked at McDonnel Douglas for four years) negotiated those wages/benefits...more power to them. People can buy Toyotas if the price/benefit for GM cars gets out of whack, right?

The problem I have with the Volt is that...federal taxes are taken out of my paycheck, and every Volt buyer gets a $7500 tax credit (not a deduction, a full credit against any taxes owed). This brings the price of a Volt down to around $32,000...you know...so it can compete against the Leaf and the Prius (Go USA!!).

But,..from my skewed perspective, My taxes aren't preserving American jobs, they are preserving a very few $73/hr jobs. And a cynic might suggest that the current administration is buying union votes...so in a way, the Volt rebates are also increasing "vote-buying" with taxpayer money (thanks, congress!).

The US federal taxpayer lost a lot of money investing in the solar-PV company "Solyndra", Solyndra makes political-campaign contributions to congressmen and the president (through PAC contributions), Solyndra executives give themselves bonuses, then ...Solndra files for bankruptcy. Are there NO green companies that are HEALTHY and could use a boost from the fed?

Oh, and if you are a California taxpayer, Volt buyers get an additional $5000 tax rebate (bringing the price of a Volt down to $28,000-ish). Remind me again...all 50 states pay federal taxes, but which party does California and Michigan usually vote for?
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/02/democrat-mischief-liberal-voters-turn-out-in-attempt-to-topple-romney-in-michigan/
"...Wayne County, where Detroit is located, remains heavily Democratic and voted 74% for Barack Obama..." (Wikipedia, Michigan).

So, imagine you are a California alternative car buyer. (or a relative in Cali buys the Volt, then "sells" it to you a Year later, while you "borrow" it for a year). You only have to pay about $28,000 (does that include the garage charger? you don't need one of those do you?)...not a bad price, considering it gets you kind of the quality that GM has worked hard to provide (quality and reliability rating of 3.2 out of 5.0 http://www.mycarstats.com/ratings/100makes_all_years.asp).
 
That's quite a pile you're shoveling.
 
Just as a reference point, Im in China right now, and along with the seas of electric bicycles and scooters, Ive seen a few dozen lightweight car EVs driving around that look affordable. Hanging right with traffic and seeming to do everything I ask of transportation in a car to do for me.

No Volts or Leafs spotted so far, and Im not too suprised. A number of Nissan GTRs and of course the usual parades of M3s and M5s littered with Ferraris and upper model mercedes.

This place seems noticeably richer and sporting noticeably more EVs than last time I was here just a few months ago.
 
scotticeberg said:
Subject should read: "Ayn Rand fanatics not doing so well"

Talk about ignoring reality!!! :shock:

Sounds like you don't know much about Rand to me. This is her predictions coming true! Sales of Atlas Shrugged have been higher since Obama has been elected than in the 50 years since it was originally published.

Objectivists are doing just fine thank you very much!
 
spinningmagnets said:
Oh, and if you are a California taxpayer, Volt buyers get an additional $5000 tax rebate (bringing the price of a Volt down to $28,000-ish).

I dont think that full revate is available anymore. Last time i check the rebate is half that or might be likely gone.

Btw i think the volt rear seats has not enough leg space and its uglier than the leaf. Theres no sex appeal in either car.

rooting for tesla. Hope they can deliver with proposed prices
 
Heh heh. Gotta love silly season. All the silly people that think the president has a lot more power than he does.

Personally, I'd prefer a pure EV myself. Hybrids have their good uses, train locomotives for example. But as the best smallish car solution I really don't think so. Still burns a lot of gasoline after all for most.

Rent a gas car for the longer trip, especially if it's weekend jaunts.
 
Just to clarify my position, I occupy a middle ground that allows both sides of most issues to hate me. The Democrats Vs Republicans arguments seem to remind me of two old hookers arguing over which one is the biggest whore.

Unions: GM is making a profit this quarter, so the UAW is giving the members a profit-sharing bonus of $7000 per member. Their pay/benefits package wasn't enough...did they take a cut in pay when GM was about to go bankrupt?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...record-gm-profit-drives-u-s-economy-cars.html
http://theunionlabelblog.com/2008/1...lly-cost-the-big-three-automakers-70-an-hour/

Management: GM was supposedly about to go bankrupt, then they got the giant bailout (from taxpayers), then the executives gave themselves huge bonuses?

"...Compensation for GM's 100 most highly paid executives is based on parameters approved by the U.S. Treasury...GM received a bailout of $50 billion by the U.S. government, starting in early 2009, a plan that included giving the government a 61% stake in the company...about $27 billion in bailout funds remain unpaid"
http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/11/news/companies/gm_bonus/index.htm

I just saw a documentary on the economic meltdown of 2008, called "Inside Job". I was impressed with how well referenced it was. Clinton, both Bushes, and Obama,...they all allowed the foxes to run the henhouse. The laws haven't changed, and the people in charge haven't changed.

In fact, the "too big to fail" banks that got bailout money, after they gave themselves bonuses, they bought out smaller banks so now there are even fewer banks and less competition.

Heres a one minute-long movie trailer...please watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqWHP7OuAj4
 
The meltdown has been happening since 1913 in my opinion. Theres only one reason why a loaf of bread cost more today then it did in 1913.


Back to the volt thing..... Fords connect van is available as a 100 mile range all electric if you can swing $60,000
 
Back
Top