Crystalyte sensorless controllers/wire harness instructions

maxwell65

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HI everyone,

Here are pics of the new CRYSTALYTE sensorless controllers (AND INSTRUCTIONS) and information on how to hook up the WIRE HARNESS.controller details 3.jpgFOR LARGER VIEW CLICK ON PICS

ALL Crystalyte products can be purchased here: http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=26500

VERY IMPORTANT! THE NEW SENSORLESS controllers have an "adjustment" plug as indicated by the #5 on the pic above,,,,(Detailed large view of this plug is below) this is only to be used when you want to hook up this sensorless controller to an 5x sensored motor,,,,AS SOON AS YOU PLUG THIS THE MOTOR IS POWERED WITHOUT THROTTLE!!!SO THIS MEANS THAT BEFORE PLUGGING THIS YOU MUST MAKE SURE THE MOTOR IS WELL SECURED AND RAISED FROM THE GROUND AS IT WILL SPIN AS SOON AS ITS PLUGGED...adjustement plug WARNING.jpg

WHY IS THIS PLUG NEEDED?
WHEN YOU HOOK UP A 5X SENSORED MOTOR, normally you would have to plug the hall sensors as well,,,but as we know this controller has no hall sensor wires and because of this you may have to adjust the 5X when using this controller.

HOW DO I ADJUST THE 5X SERIES MOTOR?

This is a 2 person job,,,,with the motor secured on the bike and the 3 phase wire plugged into the motor simply have your helper lift the motor off the ground so the wheel has no contact.
then plug the "ADJUSTEMENT PLUG",,,,AS SOON AS YOU PLUG IT THE WHEEL WILL BEGIN TO SPIN WITHOUT THROTTLE,,,,LET IT SPIN FOR A FEW MOMENTS,,,THEN UNPLUG THE ADJUSTMENT PLUG AND ALLOW THE MOTOR TO COME TO A FULL STOP,,,(YOU CAN APPLY THE BRAKE) NOW YOUR HELPER CAN SAFELY LET THE BIKE DOWN.

SAVE THE PLUG FOR FUTURE USE AND USE ELECTRIC TAPE TO COVER THE END OF THE PLUG ON THE CONTROLLER TO PROTECT FROM MOISTURE PENETRATION.

THATS IT,,,THE MOTOR IS NOW ADJUSTED AND READY TO USE.


WIRE HARNESS
wire harness details.jpg

As you can see it installs very easily, just follow the instructions on the pic above.
 
i see there is a direct plug in for a cycle analyst.... does the speedometer work without any modifications on this one
 
is it the same controller as this one?

http://shop.crystalyte-europe.com/product.php?productid=16464&cat=296&page=1
 
hey is 72v45a sensor-less controller connects up to APM-display thing?
 
What does it mean if you plug in the two pin adjustment plug and nothing happens??

I cant get the adjustment to work at all, plugging and and unplugging does not make the motor turn..but it works normally when the throttle is turned
 
So I never got the two pin plug to do anything, but what it supposed to happen ? how do you get the motor to change direction? plug and un plug or plug and wait till it changes ?

Never did get this sussed
 
when i was first testing this controller i wasn't informed of anything regarding this plug. luckily i had the bike upside down when i turned it on because when he says "MOTOR IS POWERED WITHOUT THROTTLE!!!" that is what he means. it basically went full throttle immediately as i frantically scrambled to turn it off again. then i realized the fix after re checking the wiring.

that is what happens, but i don't know why exactly?
 
I do not understand it. I opened one up the other day, and one side of the pin is Ground, and the other the X3 pin..which is the reverse connection pad. On the ones I have, plugging or unplugging it just changes the direction from fwd to reverse when throttle is opened. No instant start up, it is just a fwd reverse connection
 
very strange...

another problem i have with this controller is stuttering (under 30mph) if i try to accelerate too hard. this is mainly around 3000w where the motor seems to lose sync and jolt the axle/stop the motor. this only happens under 30mph though, once you hit 30, you can go full throttle no problem. i have read up a bit that this is a somewhat common problem. i haven't however found a solution. have you experienced this or do you know if there anything to do to fix it?
 
you could try opening up the motor and fitting sensors. Have ridden two sensorless motor DD bikes..not for me. would not have one ..just keep the one I have as a backup
 
i was afraid that was the only option. it has halls but they were damaged while my friend was riding :evil: lol probably my fault. either way i got the sensorless at a good price from methods ($100) so it was still well worth it. it seems like a controller limiting issue that there should be a way around if it only happens under a certain rpm. I've tried it without my ca - resulting in the same problem - so that doesn't have much to do with it.
 
Fit new halls then..nothing complex, if a little fiddly threading the new wires through the windings

get teh halls from ed lyen ..he has them in..OK he makes a bit of a mark up on them..but hey..you know you are getting good ones..

i used this wire
http://export.rsdelivers.com/product/alpha-wire/5851-bk005/black-hook-up-equipment-wire-30awg/1770621.aspx
http://export.rsdelivers.com/product/alpha-wire/5851-4-gr005/green-hook-up-equipment-wire-30awg/1770643.aspx
http://export.rsdelivers.com/product/alpha-wire/5851-3-rd005/red-hook-up-equipment-wire-30awg/1770637.aspx
http://export.rsdelivers.com/product/alpha-wire/5851-5-yl005/yellow-hook-up-equipment-wire-30awg/1770665.aspx
http://export.rsdelivers.com/product/alpha-wire/5851-6-bl005/blue-hook-up-equipment-wire-30awg/1770671.aspx

I bought a roll of each, and can sell a bit of each colour if you wanted any, though I guess it will be cheaper to get some locally if you can. The stuff above is PTFE and thinner than standard hall wire, so easy to get between the windings. it is a real bugger to strip the insulation
 
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