markobetti
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Ebike security
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rojitor
100 kW
I can't believe my kryptonite can be opened that easily. I feel stupid. First i watch how to steal my car with a 5 cents balloon and now my bike lock. Some days i hate youtube lol
Thanks madrhino
Thanks madrhino
stripedtuna
100 W
I like the idea of a gps tracker.. Anyone used one and can reccomend a brand / model of tracker?
preferably one that's reasonably priced.
cheers,
preferably one that's reasonably priced.
cheers,
LI-ghtcycle
10 MW
You know another neat trick might just be the recorded sound of a nasty short circuit, and then have something that will cause smoke to pour out for just a second! 
However, I still like the idea of the stun gun on a low setting so it just causes a lot of pain when they try to touch it, and that along with a sign warning of high voltage might just do the trick! 8)
However, I still like the idea of the stun gun on a low setting so it just causes a lot of pain when they try to touch it, and that along with a sign warning of high voltage might just do the trick! 8)
dogman dan
1 PW
A dog tracker with gps. Might not work good, since this service is designed to notify you if the dog leaves your house.
http://www.pettracker.com/pet-gps
No idea how this one works. Likely similar, dog leaves house you get a text. http://www.amazon.com/Secure-Pet-GPS-Dog-Collar/dp/B001SASW1K
This is the old school, radio dog collar type. Limited range, but you could tell while sitting in class or inside the store if the bike moved. I think it would show your bike treed a bear if parked not moving. Then indicate if moving later. Likely good enough for while in a store. Might look a bit fishy. battery on the bike, you setting up a radio on it.
Don't use it at the courthouse. 
http://www.pet-super-store.com/html/Tracker-Strike-Collar.html
Not sure, perhaps the one above is fairly cheap because it still requires more money to buy a reciever.
Good stuff costs a lot more. http://www.pet-super-store.com/html/Garmin-Astro-320-Combo-DC-40.html
http://www.pettracker.com/pet-gps
No idea how this one works. Likely similar, dog leaves house you get a text. http://www.amazon.com/Secure-Pet-GPS-Dog-Collar/dp/B001SASW1K
This is the old school, radio dog collar type. Limited range, but you could tell while sitting in class or inside the store if the bike moved. I think it would show your bike treed a bear if parked not moving. Then indicate if moving later. Likely good enough for while in a store. Might look a bit fishy. battery on the bike, you setting up a radio on it.
Don't use it at the courthouse. http://www.pet-super-store.com/html/Tracker-Strike-Collar.htmlNot sure, perhaps the one above is fairly cheap because it still requires more money to buy a reciever.
Good stuff costs a lot more.
http://www.pet-super-store.com/html/Garmin-Astro-320-Combo-DC-40.html
hillzofvalp
100 kW
http://hackedgadgets.com/2009/04/03/open-gps-tracker-using-cheap-cell-phone/
sn0wchyld
100 kW
While I like the idea of a taser or similar hooked up to the handlebars (or even the seat ) as a few people mentioned on that instructable site linked earlier in the thread chances are you'd be liable if the thief crashes and dies as a result of the shock... but it got me thinking. what about those hand warmer pads you can get of ebay? useful for yourself from day to day, but when you set off the 'alarm' via sms or whatever other means, it over-volts the hand warmers, so they get so hot its hard/impossible to keep your hands on the bars. less likely to be as fatal as a stun gun, since they'd take a few seconds or so to heat up to full 'ouch' status. might be hard to implement on the handles but I'd think most people would think twice if the bike they just stole starts getting to hot to handle :wink: ...
couple that with dogmans idea of shorting out the phases for DD hubs + a gps tracker and I'd be feeling fairly safe. oh, and a good lock too.
this gps tracker's got plenty of good reviews... small too. I think ill have to try it myself.
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/gps-du...y-anti-theft-vehicle-tracker-22968?r.79543430
) as a few people mentioned on that instructable site linked earlier in the thread chances are you'd be liable if the thief crashes and dies as a result of the shock... but it got me thinking. what about those hand warmer pads you can get of ebay? useful for yourself from day to day, but when you set off the 'alarm' via sms or whatever other means, it over-volts the hand warmers, so they get so hot its hard/impossible to keep your hands on the bars. less likely to be as fatal as a stun gun, since they'd take a few seconds or so to heat up to full 'ouch' status. might be hard to implement on the handles but I'd think most people would think twice if the bike they just stole starts getting to hot to handle :wink: ... couple that with dogmans idea of shorting out the phases for DD hubs + a gps tracker and I'd be feeling fairly safe. oh, and a good lock too.
this gps tracker's got plenty of good reviews... small too. I think ill have to try it myself.
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/gps-du...y-anti-theft-vehicle-tracker-22968?r.79543430
You need bigger panniers.Blueshift said:
Realistically, the only way to keep anyone from stealing it is to never leave it. That's not usually practical, so...best you can do is whatever methods appeal to you that you can afford and that are practical for you, and hope for the best.
stripedtuna
100 W
This seems like they have put some thought into it, andI do like the stealth mounting of it..
http://www.integratedtrackers.com/GPSTrack/Products.jsp
If the SpyBike works as stated on that website, i would certainly love one. Hidden, long battery life, and has a free tracking service.. (except for the sim and data costs.).. I think the battery life is long due to vibration activation of the gps unit..
I am not worried too much about my car as it is fully insured, but for my commuter bike which is about to go electric, this would be tops..
http://www.integratedtrackers.com/GPSTrack/Products.jsp
If the SpyBike works as stated on that website, i would certainly love one. Hidden, long battery life, and has a free tracking service.. (except for the sim and data costs.).. I think the battery life is long due to vibration activation of the gps unit..
I am not worried too much about my car as it is fully insured, but for my commuter bike which is about to go electric, this would be tops..
ryan
10 kW
That looks awesome! Does it work in the US? Any tips on providers to use it with? I want it!
stripedtuna
100 W
The website states that it works worldwide..
I found more info on a resellers website. They had links to videos and also a link to the pdf user guide:
http://www.bikeregistry.com/estore/product_info.php?products_id=168
http://www.bikeregistry.com/estore/images/SpyBike_Instructions.pdf
I think they are in the US too..
Also. a users experience here.. Make sure your headset will fit the thing..
http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12826162&p=17356488
hope that helps.. I am really thinking of ordering one too..
I found more info on a resellers website. They had links to videos and also a link to the pdf user guide:
http://www.bikeregistry.com/estore/product_info.php?products_id=168
http://www.bikeregistry.com/estore/images/SpyBike_Instructions.pdf
I think they are in the US too..
Also. a users experience here.. Make sure your headset will fit the thing..
http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12826162&p=17356488
hope that helps.. I am really thinking of ordering one too..
nechaus
100 kW
What sucks is if you have a really thick chain, that's added weight, but its a must..
I am going to get a AGPS tracking unit, something that does not rely on satellites, but uses Cell towers to triangulate the position.
So if the bas*ard steeling you bike puts it in a van, you will most likely still have signal.. or will get signal at some stage
has to be 100% hidden, and charged some how using an external battery..
Here in Australia, im not aware of any type of insurance for just bikes, maybe under house and contents or something like that.
Just got a new job, and im going to start riding to work and locking it up in the underground carpark..
but im still worried some other employee may steal it. so im going to put on a high pitched alarm.
If you are going to the shops, I would try look for security cameras and park it near that, im sure that would discourage them to.
So im going to use the following.
Big chain, big lock
Steel cable or big metal lock.
Motion alarm with wireless on off.
AGPS tracking unit.. gotta find one
I want to prevent it from happening, but if it does get stolen, i will report it and give the cops 24 hours to get it back to me or i will go and get it myself.
Another thing, for my commuter, im going to use a battery bag i think, if they manage to steal it.. and i cant get it back for some reason
atleast i have the batteries
I am going to get a AGPS tracking unit, something that does not rely on satellites, but uses Cell towers to triangulate the position.
So if the bas*ard steeling you bike puts it in a van, you will most likely still have signal.. or will get signal at some stage
has to be 100% hidden, and charged some how using an external battery..
Here in Australia, im not aware of any type of insurance for just bikes, maybe under house and contents or something like that.
Just got a new job, and im going to start riding to work and locking it up in the underground carpark..
but im still worried some other employee may steal it. so im going to put on a high pitched alarm.
If you are going to the shops, I would try look for security cameras and park it near that, im sure that would discourage them to.
So im going to use the following.
Big chain, big lock
Steel cable or big metal lock.
Motion alarm with wireless on off.
AGPS tracking unit.. gotta find one
I want to prevent it from happening, but if it does get stolen, i will report it and give the cops 24 hours to get it back to me or i will go and get it myself.
Another thing, for my commuter, im going to use a battery bag i think, if they manage to steal it.. and i cant get it back for some reason
atleast i have the batteries
stripedtuna
100 W
that spybike apparently uses gps when motion is detected, but when there is no gps signal, then it falls back to mobile phone GSM positioning.. But it reckons the GSM positioning is only accurate to like 200m..
Which would only tell you the general are i suppose..
Which would only tell you the general are i suppose..
LI-ghtcycle
10 MW
I like that spybike idea too, but wouldn't work for a recumbent unless you found another place to hide it (maybe it would fit in the front derailleur post?) since I don't have a traditional headset.
stripedtuna
100 W
It seems to be a pretty new product, and i think they are making more sizes to fit into other sized headsets.. They should consider such bikes as recumbents too, as they are not cheap bikes...
Would be nice to have the option to be able to buy just the electronic components in it at a reduced cost, and then leave it to the user to hide and mount it, and even supply their own battery. Some people might then use more battery, and would want to rig up a charging plug or socket. I think the current model needs to have the battery taken out to put into a charger.. As it would be nice to just plug in the charger while it was still in the bike..
That said, the video showing how to fit the battery made the task look easy..
I wonder how cheap a data only phone plan can get here in Australia..
Would be nice to have the option to be able to buy just the electronic components in it at a reduced cost, and then leave it to the user to hide and mount it, and even supply their own battery. Some people might then use more battery, and would want to rig up a charging plug or socket. I think the current model needs to have the battery taken out to put into a charger.. As it would be nice to just plug in the charger while it was still in the bike..
That said, the video showing how to fit the battery made the task look easy..
I wonder how cheap a data only phone plan can get here in Australia..
sn0wchyld
100 kW
prepaid data in aus is cheap as, for my ipad I paid $100 for 15gb, with a 12 month expiry with optus. I think the cheapest 12 month option was only about $50 and 3gb or so, not bad for a good quality bike tracker. Telstra would be more though, probably worth it for the extra coverage.
you can also get bike specific insurance in aus, for $5000 it was about $500 a year from memory, covered everything but damage while riding I think. I saw some too that even included that!! didn't bother to find the premiums though, i'd guess at least 25% of the bike cost with a large excess. mine's under the home and contents, I need to double check but I think its covered so long as its locked in a secure area or inside my home.
you can also get bike specific insurance in aus, for $5000 it was about $500 a year from memory, covered everything but damage while riding I think. I saw some too that even included that!! didn't bother to find the premiums though, i'd guess at least 25% of the bike cost with a large excess. mine's under the home and contents, I need to double check but I think its covered so long as its locked in a secure area or inside my home.
chilledoutuk
100 W
I spent quite a while reading about locks they review them on bikeradar where they try to break them and generally the smaller d locks are harder to break as there is less room to lever them.
This lock is pretty mean and light as well.
http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/accessories/locks/product/review-kryptonite-new-york-fahgettaboudit-mini-16565
but for some who want the best big lock possible the Abus Granit X-Plus is formidable 5 mins with an angle grinder would get a lot of attention i would think.
http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/accessories/locks/product/review-abus-abus-granit-x-plus-54-300-39850
I personally use a onguard bulldog mini but if i were to lock up for longer than a few mins i would consider getting the abus granit above
http://www.onguardlock.com/?page_id=329
This lock is pretty mean and light as well.
http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/accessories/locks/product/review-kryptonite-new-york-fahgettaboudit-mini-16565
but for some who want the best big lock possible the Abus Granit X-Plus is formidable 5 mins with an angle grinder would get a lot of attention i would think.
http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/accessories/locks/product/review-abus-abus-granit-x-plus-54-300-39850
I personally use a onguard bulldog mini but if i were to lock up for longer than a few mins i would consider getting the abus granit above
http://www.onguardlock.com/?page_id=329
FastDemise
100 W
I've been trying to plan out using the idea Dogman mentioned about shorting the phase wires together. I drive a front DD motor so trying to move a bike with the front tire locking makes it near impossible to move without carrying. Added bonus is I doubt they are in good enough shape to lug it too far.
Something else I do is use a cheap small cable lock that I run through the spokes and I put the lock on the spokes so even if the cable is cut they have to deal with the lock on the spoke. Possibly not the greatest depending on the quality of lock but it's something a little extra. Just don't forget your keys. haha
Added bonus is I doubt they are in good enough shape to lug it too far.Something else I do is use a cheap small cable lock that I run through the spokes and I put the lock on the spokes so even if the cable is cut they have to deal with the lock on the spoke. Possibly not the greatest depending on the quality of lock but it's something a little extra. Just don't forget your keys. haha
LegendLength
100 W
I found an site that does insurance in australia: http://www.velosure.com.au . I haven't read their terms and conditions but I imagine they would only require a chain or something similar when left outside. The quote I got was $150 / year for a $2000 bike.
hillzofvalp
100 kW
I use this 5-6lb 22mm thick lock. It's smaller than most D-locks, but not quite as small as the super mini versions. I think it works.
http://www.amazon.com/Kryptonite-Fahgettaboutit-Bicycle-U-Lock-6-Inch/dp/B000OZ9VLU
The only caveat is that you can only practically lock a wheel, so your wheel needs to be locked to your frame somehow. Depending on the type of bike you have, whether you have skewers, etc, there are things such as pit locks. I have used them on my SS commuter ever since I got anal after my $800 bike got stolen using a stupid combo cable.
Still angers me to this day.
http://www.amazon.com/Kryptonite-Fahgettaboutit-Bicycle-U-Lock-6-Inch/dp/B000OZ9VLU
The only caveat is that you can only practically lock a wheel, so your wheel needs to be locked to your frame somehow. Depending on the type of bike you have, whether you have skewers, etc, there are things such as pit locks. I have used them on my SS commuter ever since I got anal after my $800 bike got stolen using a stupid combo cable.
Still angers me to this day.
Trilska
10 W
I have an idea (maby a little crazy).
Would you you prefer, that your bike got stolen, or destroyed.
If the answer is destroyed, say hello to the self destruction circuit. Send a sms with the destruction code, and activate the relay that shorts main battery.
Otherwise i must say that the idea of shorting the phase wires seems like a simple and effective way of keeping a heavy bike from getting moved to far. Could be solved by doing some kind of "lego" part (with either straight through leads or shorted. ). Just pop in one of the for travel and one for locking.
*(With reservations for creative spelling (and grammar, but hey i am Swedisch :wink: ))
Would you you prefer, that your bike got stolen, or destroyed.
If the answer is destroyed, say hello to the self destruction circuit. Send a sms with the destruction code, and activate the relay that shorts main battery.
Otherwise i must say that the idea of shorting the phase wires seems like a simple and effective way of keeping a heavy bike from getting moved to far. Could be solved by doing some kind of "lego" part (with either straight through leads or shorted. ). Just pop in one of the for travel and one for locking.
*(With reservations for creative spelling (and grammar, but hey i am Swedisch :wink: ))
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I have a datatool system three alarm/immobiliser on my ebike from my old motorcycle. It runs from the three extra headway cells I added to my 24v ping (9.9v). Or it can be run from the balance wires half way down the pack.
I use it to activate the ebrake function on my controller when armed and has nudge detection plus full on sirens when it is moved. I think some controllers now have an alarm/motor lock wire too which would be slightly better than mine on the ebrake signal input.
So the wheel isnt jammed but not far off it. I know this isnt going to stop everyone but I like the fact it beeps as soon as it is touched and the siren is easily heard from 100 meters. I am never further away from my very expensive machine.
As these type of alarms are to only be fitted by insurance approved dealers they sell very cheap on ebay as they are not recognised by insurance companies once removed by a general user and installed on another bike. I bet a scrap yard has some laying around from wrecked bikes.
This is mine
http://www.datatool.co.uk/consumer/support/index.php?product=system3&action=search
I use it to activate the ebrake function on my controller when armed and has nudge detection plus full on sirens when it is moved. I think some controllers now have an alarm/motor lock wire too which would be slightly better than mine on the ebrake signal input.
So the wheel isnt jammed but not far off it. I know this isnt going to stop everyone but I like the fact it beeps as soon as it is touched and the siren is easily heard from 100 meters. I am never further away from my very expensive machine.
As these type of alarms are to only be fitted by insurance approved dealers they sell very cheap on ebay as they are not recognised by insurance companies once removed by a general user and installed on another bike. I bet a scrap yard has some laying around from wrecked bikes.
This is mine
http://www.datatool.co.uk/consumer/support/index.php?product=system3&action=search
I carry a heavy Avenir chain and a big pad lock. My battery comes inside with me if I'm going to be more than 5 or 10 minutes. My bike itself is crap so I don't care about it too much. I'm more concerned with the controller, motor and cycle analyst. I bought a Gorilla 2 way paging alarm system quite a while ago but I still have not gotten around to installing it yet and I'm probably being too complacent about it.
My bike stays locked up outside while at home. I've used it for commuting to work for the past two years where it was also locked outside. I use it for grocery shopping and errands as well. I lock it in areas with lots of people around and near windows. I try to be in and out of stores fairly quick so as not to leave the bike unattended for too long, otherwise I'll check on it every now and then.
I wonder how people can get away with having motorcycles and scooters parked outside not locked up to anything. I also wonder if typically a thief will ride the bike away or throw it into a truck to get away. If it turns out the former I suppose we could make the bike difficult to ride away, maybe removable pedals or like dogman suggested shorted phase wires.
My bike stays locked up outside while at home. I've used it for commuting to work for the past two years where it was also locked outside. I use it for grocery shopping and errands as well. I lock it in areas with lots of people around and near windows. I try to be in and out of stores fairly quick so as not to leave the bike unattended for too long, otherwise I'll check on it every now and then.
I wonder how people can get away with having motorcycles and scooters parked outside not locked up to anything. I also wonder if typically a thief will ride the bike away or throw it into a truck to get away. If it turns out the former I suppose we could make the bike difficult to ride away, maybe removable pedals or like dogman suggested shorted phase wires.
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