EV watercraft

Jay64

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I'm currently living in Florida, and I am finding all kinds of boats/personal watercraft items for either really cheap or free on craigslist. Most of them are missing motors. Would it be adviseable to try and create an EV boat or personal watercraft? I am wondering about the whole water in the motor thing. My girlfriend has been killing me to get us a boat or PWC. If I can get one for free and then put some EV components into it instead of ICE, I might be willing to get one. Anyone here have any experience with that? Or know someone that does?
 
I will preface this by saying that I have NO experience with this at all but for what it's worth.

Here's a kit designed for Marine conversions

http://www.electricmotorsport.com/new/ems_marine_brushless_drive_kit.php
 
Electric trolling motors are not hard to find, but they are low powered.
They do have water cooling, so perhaps they could be pushed a bit.

A former member here (I won't mention who), had an outrigger kayak wtih a big solar panel on top that could traverse between islands. It wasn't fast, but it made the trip without paddling.
 
I started day dreaming with this idea.

Imagine a medium sized solar sailboat. Put in a couple small enclosed EVs. Pick up a quiet beautiful girl and spend 6 months traveling the coastline/visiting towns and fishing(better yet do it in europe).

Sounds like heaven gentlemen.


As for the boat, most ICE boats (that is larger boats, not small fishing pads) use a significant amount of gas. We are talking gallons per hour. There is a reason, it takes a lot of energy to move large boats around. Something that would probably severly limit your range.

ANd you DON"T want to get stuck out in the water because you ran out of juice. Coast guard rescue will cost you more than the gas you would have used.


I would not think it practical to construct an EV boat unless you are going all out and coating it with solar panels + having an emergency ICE.


If you are thinking of a tiny fishing calm water boat, then maybe you can used padles in an emergency ;)


--Marcelo
 
http://www.duffyboats.com/page.cfm?pgid=1 is a great place to start. Duffy builds a first class vessel and their website sings the praises of electric boats.

That said, Duffy's are expensive, SLOW, heavy, SLOW, have classic lines and don't go very fast either.

Utilizing a electric trolling motor works if you use it on a canoe or kayak. Use one on anything else and by the time you get all the batteries you need onboard you'll find a expensive, SLOW, likely ugly inefficient watercraft.

I too live in FL, right on the ICW and travel it extensively. The past month found me throughout FL and GA on the water and I saw 0 electric boats. There is a reason for that. I have seen a lot of very inexpensive and free boats and there is a reason for that too, the most common is that fixing them would cost more then they are worth. There is always the urban legend of the wealthy widow wanting to get rid of hubby's toy but usually wealthy widows didn't get that way giving expensive toys away.

On a practical, non teasing level, six miles an hour, the speed a sailboat under power travels, takes patience, perseverance and the willingness to learn how tides work. If you have a maximum speed of six miles an hour and your heading into a three knot current then your speed over ground (SOG) is three miles an hour. To travel at that speed you need a lot of patience, a lot of batteries and no schedule or inclement weather. Experienced sailors on the ICW time their travels to go with the tide whenever possible. This means they spend a lot of time at the dock or on the hook (at anchor) waiting for favorable tides.

There are very efficient larger vessels using electric power. These vessels use electric turbines powered by diesel engines. Large diesel engines.

Still, google electric boats and see what comes up besides WWII submarines. It will be a fun learning experience.

But, any boat, fresh or salt water, gas, diesel, oars or electric, requires maintenance, insurance, registration plus skill and knowledge in boat handling, safety and first aid. We figure our boat eats about 30K a year in maintenance & fuel and fuel is going up and maintenance ain't never gone down.

Good luck, keep up with the search and maybe you will be able to teach Don Quixote something. I know my wife would love an electric boat, she would truly love not listening to the engines or smelling the fuel or buying the fuel either but bless her heart she isn't ready for an open boat or one that can't fight the tides. Plus, she has to have her own head on board and if you gotta pee you can't use hers.

Boating is fun, maybe not as much as you think but it's fun. It's not surrounded by 25 y/o hard bodies in bikinis the way the ads show, more older folks and more older boats with the occasional mega yacht (saw a few yesterday).

Mike
 
http://www.duffyboats.com/page.cfm?pgid=1 is a great place to start. Duffy builds a first class vessel and their website sings the praises of electric boats.

That said, Duffy's are expensive, SLOW, heavy, SLOW, have classic lines and don't go very fast either.

Utilizing a electric trolling motor works if you use it on a canoe or kayak. Use one on anything else and by the time you get all the batteries you need onboard you'll find a expensive, SLOW, likely ugly inefficient watercraft.

I too live in FL, right on the ICW and travel it extensively. The past month found me throughout FL and GA on the water and I saw 0 electric boats. There is a reason for that. I have seen a lot of very inexpensive and free boats and there is a reason for that too, the most common is that fixing them would cost more then they are worth. There is always the urban legend of the wealthy widow wanting to get rid of hubby's toy but usually wealthy widows didn't get that way giving expensive toys away.

On a practical, non teasing level, six miles an hour, the speed a sailboat under power travels, takes patience, perseverance and the willingness to learn how tides work. If you have a maximum speed of six miles an hour and your heading into a three knot current then your speed over ground (SOG) is three miles an hour. To travel at that speed you need a lot of patience, a lot of batteries and no schedule or inclement weather. Experienced sailors on the ICW time their travels to go with the tide whenever possible. This means they spend a lot of time at the dock or on the hook (at anchor) waiting for favorable tides.

There are very efficient larger vessels using electric power. These vessels use electric turbines powered by diesel engines. Large diesel engines.

Still, google electric boats and see what comes up besides WWII submarines. It will be a fun learning experience.

But, any boat, fresh or salt water, gas, diesel, oars or electric, requires maintenance, insurance, registration plus skill and knowledge in boat handling, safety and first aid. We figure our boat eats about 30K a year in maintenance & fuel and fuel is going up and maintenance ain't never gone down.

Good luck, keep up with the search and maybe you will be able to teach Don Quixote something. I know my wife would love an electric boat, she would truly love not listening to the engines or smelling the fuel or buying the fuel either but bless her heart she isn't ready for an open boat or one that can't fight the tides. Plus, she has to have her own head on board and if you gotta pee you can't use hers.

Boating is fun, maybe not as much as you think but it's fun. It's not surrounded by 25 y/o hard bodies in bikinis the way the ads show, more older folks and more older boats with the occasional mega yacht (saw a few yesterday).

Mike
 
I do have an electric boat. A 16' Lund fishing boat with a 48V Ray Outboard powered by an B&S etek motor. Ray is made in Florida.

(8) 68lb 6V motors power the beast so as they mentioned above very heavy. 6.5 mph is top speed which is fairly typical of electric boats in general.

I love my electric boat but performance would be better and cost would be cheaper with a 10hp ICE. The 3500 acre reservoir I fish is restricted to electric power. Figure 6-7k to purchase this set up new today. That buys alot of ICE and fuel.

Hoping to go the electric bike route come spring time. Power requirements are much less and cost much more appealing.
 
If you built a very lightweight craft and maybe used lithium batteries, you might get enough power/weight ratio to get the thing to plane and reduce drag quite a bit. I've seen a human powered hydrofoil that goes pretty fast with just human power. I'm sure a 1kw motor will make more power than a human, so it may be feasible to build a fairly speedy small personal watercraft.

http://www.foilkayak.com/
 

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I had the privliage of getting to take a few outings on what was then the record holder for fastest human powered boat, back in the early 90s. it was a 4 man paddle boat that could hit 10 knotts with just 2 riders.

It was also ugly as hell, and looked like a kids' science project. it probably took no more than 400 watts to hit 12 knotts, so its posable to build an electric boat that would hit some good speed with lower power, but you would need to start from scratch.
 
That foil kayak is f'n cool.

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1 m/s is approx 2.25 mph.
 
*BUMP*

World record, fastest electric boat 98.806mph
[youtube]-yNu2_LlO9s[/youtube]
 
this hydrofoil concept needs aminimum speed to lift the boat of the water, but it also helps with waves/ stability and the energy needed to keep it affload is relatively little. as allready stated in thread, this would be a built fromoff the scratch most probably, mayb eeven using 2 engines ( water and air propellers as for the ground effect/ hydrofoil stage on high speeds), but this is most probaly not what you are shooting for.

puzey design has a interresting waterscooter ( manual driven, no moving parts - well no moves other than the flex to drive it), but as for a recreational boat drive you may want to loo into wind turbines in tubular form, they are smaller than sails but catch up more wind and the wind could drive a generator, they also do not ned to be manually adjusted toward the wind and can adjust their propeller angles according the velocity they get from the wind. adding on solar panels for the regular drive modes and to have the tubular sails connected to a generator to give recharge and als extra-boost when needed could get you a alternatively driven 8knots+ boat; it just won´t hardly be one of the for free ones.

powering a small sweetwater fishing boat with ondeck solar panels does not sound like a good solution for the open sea, but it would make a great setup for a lake and be permanently maintenance-charged for free and without power cable. this may be suiting florida channels, depending on tide.


but hey, ebay allready has stuff for cheap and easy inflatables:
http://cgi.ebay.de/MOTORBOOT-SCHLAUCHBOOT-ELEKTRO-MOTOR-BOOT-ZUBEHOR-NEU_W0QQitemZ350233329476QQcmdZViewItemQQptZDE_Sport_Wassersport_Rudern_Paddeln?hash=item518b887f44&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
 
That would be neat getting mechanical push and electricity from the same wind mechanism.. how well could that work though? I'd have thunk you could do either one or the other well but not both..
 
I have been considering an electric pontoon boat. There is a conversion kit for an oubpoard out there. I can't find it right now but it was from another thread here and they made a generator/motor device that could be used as a sailboat auxillary/generator - don't fold the prop and, under sail, it charges the batteries. It could also be bolted to an outboard in place of the powerhead. I thought it was about 25 hP (x 750 = 18kW). Stuff a bunch of Pings or something in there and build a solar panel roof - it could charge all week. I only use it over the weekend, go slow on an inland lake and would LOVE the quiet. If I needed more I could carry a small generator and/or line charge overnight. I could even pass on the solar or make it more of a gimmick (i.e too small to be practical as a primary power source) and just line charge it. A SILENT motor would be a dream. My old boss borrowed my trolling motor one summer and powered his pontoon for a week on just that on a small lake while his outboard was being repaired - he didn't go far. He loved the quiet too.
 
The edison boat claims 8 hours of crusing at 6mph with a 15kwh agm pack, so a smaller boat with lithium with a decent range should be very possible.

Think my next project will be a 10-14 foot electric boat conversion. Thinking 1 or 2 agnis with 7-10kwh thunderky or similar.
 
StevenR said:
I have been considering an electric pontoon boat.
Look at the shape of the hulls of a typical production pontoon boat then compare with the shape of the hulls on a sailing catamaran. The sail boat will give you an idea of what an efficient hull shape looks like...versus how the pontoon boat hulls are "designed"...
tks
Lock
 
Wow, I had totally forgotten about this post....and I was the one that started it. ha ha.

StevenR said:
I have been considering an electric pontoon boat. There is a conversion kit for an oubpoard out there. I can't find it right now but it was from another thread here and they made a generator/motor device that could be used as a sailboat auxillary/generator - don't fold the prop and, under sail, it charges the batteries. It could also be bolted to an outboard in place of the powerhead.

Not sure if this is the link you are refering to, but I know Electric Motorsport has some boat motors.
 
fechter said:
Electric trolling motors are not hard to find, but they are low powered.

Trolling motor style, but on steroids... seen here:
http://www.re-e-power.com/

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Operates on 36-48 volts DC (48 volts recommended)
AMPERAGE: Peak 200
Max continuous 100
Recommended Cruise......
40-60 amps @ 48 volts
(Performance = to 20 hp outboard / 25 hp inboard)
DIMENSIONS
29 Inches long (including 9 inch shaft) 735 mm
Motor body is 6 inches in diameter
152 mm
12 inch diameter, 2 blade composite prop - 7 inch pitch
Distance from top of mounting faring to bottom of prop is 16 inches
Distance between centers on wiring/mounting pipes is 12.5 inches (317 mm)
WEIGHT 65 pounds (29 kilos)
All models come standard with regenerative charging.
 
I went for a cruise on a Duffy electric boat yesterday and I must say they are nice little boat. The boat is owned and operated here in Australia by Eco Boats who are doing a lot to promote the benefits of electric boating in this part of the world- http://www.ecoboats.com.au/
So nice to cruise along silently. It was really noticeable when a regular tinnie with an outboard motor went past and I took a deep breath of its obnoxious gasoline exhaust fumes!

I currently have three electric boat projects in the works which will be powered by BMI LiFePO4 batteries. The 50 foot racing catamaran "Room With A View" is coming along nicely and the three electric motors are presently being fitted at the boat yard. I recently returned from a visit to check the battery power and data systems as well as provide training on the battery monitoring/diagnostics to the electricians fiting the wiring and electrical systems to the boat. I have attached a few pics of the boat and batteries which you can see here below-
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Lock said:
World record, fastest electric boat 98.806mph
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yNu2_LlO9s

Wow... amazing. I want that motor. EDIT: no, I don't. :D I first read brushless when it says "brushed".
It is a modified 48 volt brushed motor from a forklift used to power the hydraulics, rated at about 15hp. We ran a Zilla speed control and put 140 volts and 700 amps to it from 42 Lithium Polymer batteries. Composite glass honeycomb boat I built. I think if you built a very lightweight boat had 12x 12v lead acid batteries and a similar motor 30 to 70mph is possible depending on how much run time you want.
Mike
 
Yes, that motor would be great for a Yamaha or Seadoo 3 seater waverunner. Do we know who built it? maybe we could ask
for details?

Lock wrote:World record, fastest electric boat 98.806mph
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yNu2_LlO9s
 
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