Expecting something from Asia? You may want to read this.

:shock: :shock:
....this is what the average dockworker makes: $147,000 a year in salary, plus $35,000 a year in employer-paid health care and an annual pension of $80,000 (according to an association press release). It is the overtime compensation to the total shown here, which grosses to over a quarter of a million dollars,
WTF ?....a dockworker makes 1/4 mil $$$'s ..?..and they are wanting more !
 
if you are not a blue collar worker it may be hard for you to grasp what that type of work extolls on your body. walk a mile in someone else's shoe's and then you might understand. And just for your information i have worked both white and blue collar jobs and as a usmc vet i believe in the hard working class of america. Good day. :mrgreen:
 
BS, I dont feel sorry for dock workers or their union bosses who live like kings. How about a right to work?
 
slacker said:
if you are not a blue collar worker it may be hard for you to grasp what that type of work extolls on your body. walk a mile in someone else's shoe's and then you might understand. And just for your information i have worked both white and blue collar jobs and as a usmc vet i believe in the hard working class of america. Good day. :mrgreen:
You are not the only one who has worked manual jobs ( dock labour even !) , so I do know what is involved !
Why do you think a dock worker is any more deserving than a teacher, nurse, or garbage collector ?
It's obvious that this situation is classic unionised protected graft .
 
Driving a forklift, operating a crane. Yeah, a tremendous toll is taken on your body. Let's not forget all those qualifications that are not required. It was maybe 8-10 years ago when some big expansion of the San Pedro port had long lines of people seeking the $3,000/week jobs, including the college educated, etc.

Deliberately slowing down the operation to extort overtime pay - It's called ORGANIZED CRIME. The FBI should be arresting union leadership for RICO violations. ('Racketeering In Corrupt Organizations.') Just a day in the life of a union.
 
wow....they need that much more? while I work my ass off for 6 days a week right now with a company I've been with for 7 years, and don't yet even make $10/hour, barely more than $1000 a month at best (often not even that). :roll:

and when they get their increase, the cost of goods will go up to pay it, and what little i make will go even less far than it does now. :cry:
 
Yes, the situation out there sucks, But Zero Hedge isn't a reputable source to quote. The brand yellow journalism they piss out on their readers makes the National Enquirer look like a reputable news source, and their political slant is so obvious that even a child should be able to tell this isn't fair or balanced news reporting.

Lets try some facts. General Dock workers make dick. According to this source, $23,000 ( http://www.indeed.com/salary/Dock-Worker.html ) Another source ( http://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/dock-worker-salary-SRCH_KO0,11.htm ) puts FedEx workers at $17.17/hr, or $36,000 a year. Cost of living in California is high, and many jobs there do pay more, but even if it was twice the wage, it would still fall at much less than half of Zero Hedge's quote.

Cargo Crane operators are a specialized skill and make fairly good money, this source says $66,000 ( http://www.simplyhired.com/salaries-k-cargo-and-crane-operator-jobs.html ) but there are only a few of those on a dock's labor force.

The truck drivers who run the containers around the yard make decent money as well, but again, far less than half of the BS quoted by Zero Hedge.

As for the shut down, that's not the fault of the workers, that's a tactic of the Shipping companies. The Shipping companies are the ones who plan to lock the workers out for 4 days. Source: http://www.longshoreshippingnews.co...day-partial-shutdown-of-u-s-west-coast-ports/
 
I dont know what to believe but these aerial pics do seem to indicate there is no reason to have so many ships at sea waiting to be unloaded. Note the Negotiations are taking place in SF and Obama just arrived in the city. Ports are shutting down

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In mid-January, PMA claimed that there was a lack of dock space for containers, and it eliminated night shifts at many ports.

“PMA is leaving ships at sea and claiming there’s no space on the docks, but there are acres of asphalt just waiting for the containers on those ships, and hundreds of longshore workers ready to unload them,” said McEllrath. “The employers are deliberately worsening the existing congestion crisis to gain the upper hand at the bargaining table.”

The union’s photos of marine terminals in Southern California that show large tracts of space that would easily fit thousands of containers.

http://www.longshoreshippingnews.com/2015/02/aerial-photos-of-ports-show-what-the-pma-doesnt-want-the-public-to-see/
 
http://www.pmanet.org/wp-content/themes/pacificmaritimeassociation/pdf/newsinfo_AverageAnnualEarnings.pdf

If you want to deal in "Facts," you DON'T start with an unsupportable trashing of someone elses' source. That makes you look bad. Especially when all that source does is rehash the major outlets. The REAL expose would be in revealing who DOES the rehashing: http://www.zerohedge.com/users/tyler-durden

You also don't argue with your own side:

Investors.com said:
In fact, according to the union's own material, the average dockworker makes $147,000 in annual salary and pulls in $35,000 a year in employer-paid health care benefits. Pensions pay $80,000 a year.
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/020615-738418-dock-workers-union-demands-hurt-consumers.htm

If you're just going to make up your own "Facts," you damn the union for the lack of truth. http://www.joc.com/port-news/longshoreman-labor/international-longshore-and-warehouse-union/us-west-coast-labor-negotiations-frequently-asked-questions_20140523.html

. . . .The spread of technology and automation threatens ILWU jurisdiction because maintaining the sophisticated cargo-handling equipment requires specialized skills that the mechanics and electricians unions encourage by putting their members through rigorous educational and apprenticeship programs. Last year the ILWU withdrew from the AFL-CIO, complaining that the umbrella labor organization was not supporting it in jurisdictional disputes with other unions.

Are wages expected to be a sticking point in the negotiations?

Probably not. Total longshore earnings, when overtime and skill-differential wages are included, are already among the highest in blue-collar America, so negotiators for both sides normally agree to modest annual hourly increases in the base wage.

Jeeez, did you catch where Obama called his previous record setting runaway spending "Foolish Austerity?" To support his desire to set a new spending record. There's a whole school of thought where money just 'APPEARS' when they demand it, and they demand it. "There'll always be more, that's what more MEANS." I for one get reall tired of those tiresome people who always insist on trying to blind everyone with bull. But then I enjoy turning around and baffling them with brilliance.

Crane%20Operators-350x247.jpg

http://www.joc.com/port-news/longshoreman-labor/international-longshore-and-warehouse-union/pma-releases-data-show-how-terminals-are-being-denied-skilled-labor_20150103.html
I like the motto:


There's no arguing with that, but some will always try.

James Lovelock said:
We live at a time when emotions and feelings count more than truth,
and there is a vast ignorance . . . .

Okay, he finished with ". . . .Of science," but I think that extends to about everything; large numbers of people don't want the facts keeping them from believing whatever they would like to make up as true.
 
http://www.surfline.com/surf-report/surfside-southern-california_4867/

For live video of container ships lined up 10 miles offshore in the San Pedro Channel. :x

http://www.surfline.com/surf-report/seal-beach-southern-california_4217/

Brown stuff on the horizon is LA/OC smog blown out to sea by the recent NE Santa Ana winds. :oops:


http://www.surfline.com/surf-report/17th-street-southern-california_4871

Looks like one got offloaded recently. :roll:
Those unloaded ones probably are waiting just to load the empty containers for the trip back to China. :wink:
 
My BMS Battery order arrived within 2 weeks, no delay.
And in included a wheel ASM and a battery.
 
http://abc7.com/business/hanjin-shi...main-in-limbo-amid-bankruptcy-filing/1498465/ :(
Some major retailers are scrambling to work out contingency plans to get their merchandise to stores as the bankruptcy of the Hanjin shipping line has thrown ports and retailers around the world into confusion.

They don't have a lot of time. Giant container ships from the South Korean-based Hanjin shipping line are marooned with their cargo of what experts say are lots of TVs and printers, but also loads of home furnishings and clothing.


Hanjin, the world's seventh-largest container shipper, filed for bankruptcy protection Wednesday and stopped accepting new cargo. With its assets being frozen, ships from China to Canada were refused permission to offload or take aboard containers because there were no guarantees that tugboat pilots or stevedores would be paid. It's also been a factor in shipping rates rising and could hurt some trucking firms with contracts to pick up goods from Hanjin ships.

The South Korean giant represents nearly 8 percent of the trans-Pacific trade volume for the U.S. market. While some retailers may already have merchandise for the holiday season affected, experts say what's most important is that the issue be resolved before the critical shipping month of October.

"Retailers always have robust contingency plans, but this degree of uncertainty is making it challenging to put those plans in place," said Jessica Dankert, senior director of retail operations for the Retail Industry Leaders Association, a trade alliance with members including companies like Best Buy, Wal-Mart and Target.

J.C. Penney said Hanjin is one of several ocean freight carriers that it uses and when it learned there might be an issue it began to divert and reroute its containers. It said it uses "a variety of transportation methods and ports" and right now does not expect a significant effect on the flow of merchandise.

Target Corp. said it is watching the situation closely and Wal-Mart said it is waiting for details about Hanjin's bankruptcy proceedings and the implications to its merchandise before it could assess the effect.

As of Friday, 27 ships had been refused entry to ports or terminals, said Hanjin Shipping spokesman Park Min. The Seoul-based company said one ship in Singapore had been seized by the ship's owner.

At the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach, the nation's busiest port complex, three Hanjin container ships ranging from about 700 feet to 1,100 feet (213 meters to 304 meters) long were either drifting offshore or anchored away from terminals on Thursday. A fourth vessel that was supposed to leave Long Beach on Thursday morning remained anchored inside the breakwater.

"Hanjin called us and said: 'We're going bankrupt and we can't pay any bills - so don't bother asking,' " said J. Kip Louttit, executive director of the Marine Exchange of Southern California, which provides traffic control for the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach.

That's meant cargo headed to and from Asia is in limbo, much to the distress of merchants looking to stock shelves with fall fashions or Christmas toys. "Someone from the garment industry called earlier today asking: 'How long is this going to go on, because I've got clothing out there,'" Louttit said.

Chris Rogers, a research analyst at Panjiva, which tracks international imports to the United States, said the situation isn't yet dire but could become so. October is the busiest month for cargo from South Korea to the U.S., accounting for about 11.5 percent of the annual total.

But South Korea's maritime ministry said Hanjin's troubles would affect cargo exports for two to three months, given that August-October is a high-demand season for deep-sea routes.

The Retail Industry Leaders Association wrote to U.S. Secretary of Commerce Penny Pritzker and Federal Maritime Commission Chairman Mario Cordero on Thursday, urging them to work with the South Korean government, ports and others to prevent disruptions. It said the bankruptcy is rippling through the global supply chain and could cause significant harm to consumers and the U.S. economy.

"There (are) millions of dollars' worth of merchandise that needs to be on store shelves that could be impacted by this," said Jonathan Gold, the National Retail Federation's vice president for supply chain and customs policy.

The confusion might also sink some trucking firms that contract with Hanjin to deliver cargo containers from ports to company loading bays. "They've got bills to pay - they could literally close their doors over this," said Peter Schneider, Fresno-based vice president of T.G.S. Transportation Inc.

Other shipping lines may take on some of Hanjin's traffic - but at a price. Since many vessels already are operating at high capacity, shippers may wind up paying a premium to squeeze their containers on board, said Jock O'Connell, international trade adviser to Los Angeles-based Beacon Economics.

The price of shipping a 40-foot container from China to the U.S. jumped up to 50 percent in a single day, said Nerijus Poskus, director of pricing and procurement for Flexport, a licensed freight forwarder and customs broker based in San Francisco.

The price from China to West Coast ports rose from $1,100 per container to as much as $1,700 on Thursday, while the cost from China to the East Coast jumped from $1,700 to $2,400, he said. Hanjin's bankruptcy was a major factor, he said.

Global demand and trade have suffered since the 2008 recession, but steamship lines continued to build more and larger vessels. That weaker trade and overcapacity have sent ocean shipping rates plunging in recent years. A few months ago, Poskus said, prices hit historic lows globally - down to as much as $600 per container from Shanghai to Los Angeles. That wouldn't even cover fuel costs for the huge ships, he said.

Poskus expects the spike in prices to last a month or two. With about 5 percent of ships in the global trading fleet sitting idle, he believes there is room to take over Hanjin's capacity and carriers already are discussing the possibility of adding ships. But he said prices would have to rise in order to be sustainable.
 
Hmm,

Does this Ship/Container, Shipping problem with Hanjin going bankrupt and other shippers raising the price
Going
To Affect the Products from China that are Shipped China Post ?

I have gotten some products from China in a Week and a Half, for most of what I have bought directly.
there have been one or two items that took 3 or so weeks, but most everything like Handle Bars/Motors , Parts from Em3ev, and BMS Battery have come at just at two weeks or shorter.
So isn't that by plane ?
 
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