I thought similarly up until I watched the Dr. Wood video. There's some weird stuff in there that makes a whole lot of sense. It's interesting to think about if nothing else. When watching 9/11 on tv the day it happened, I kept saying, "This is either fake, or it's secret weapons. Buildings just don't do that kind of thing! Definitely a false flag though."
Galileo/Newton agree-- 9/11 was an inside job!
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I remember when 9/11 happened.
My first thoughts when i heard about it on the radio:
Something is fishy here. How do some foreigners pull off such a complex and accurate plot? How did they do it with boxcutters, and nobody stopped them? how does a non-professionalpilot take control of a large commercial jet and aim the plane that well?
And what's with the tower that just collapsed straight frocking downwards like a controlled demolition after catching on fire from being hit by a piece of debris?
I didn't believe it from the beginning.
What happened in response to it didn't make sense either. Turns out that Iraq had nothing to do with it.
I had a feeling that we were being lied to.
Those was my first thoughts, as a teenager with no real interest in politics or conspiracy theory. Not even disillusioned by government yet at that age either. I think i was stupid enough to be voting democrat back then because i thought they the 'lesser evil' :lol:
My first thoughts when i heard about it on the radio:
Something is fishy here. How do some foreigners pull off such a complex and accurate plot? How did they do it with boxcutters, and nobody stopped them? how does a non-professionalpilot take control of a large commercial jet and aim the plane that well?
And what's with the tower that just collapsed straight frocking downwards like a controlled demolition after catching on fire from being hit by a piece of debris?
I didn't believe it from the beginning.
What happened in response to it didn't make sense either. Turns out that Iraq had nothing to do with it.
I had a feeling that we were being lied to.
Those was my first thoughts, as a teenager with no real interest in politics or conspiracy theory. Not even disillusioned by government yet at that age either. I think i was stupid enough to be voting democrat back then because i thought they the 'lesser evil' :lol:
neptronix said:
Easy. What do foreigners have to do with it? The Hijackers were resident in the U.S., IIRC. Sure the financing (lots of it) was foreign. Realistically, it wasn't a complicated plot, just audacious. A box cutter is sufficient to cut someone's throat. Inaction in large groups of people is a well known phenomenon. Of course the passengers, working together, could take out the hijackers, but who's going to be the first to charge them and hope others join in? Which brings me on to...
Previous airliner hijackings generally ended safely, with passengers unharmed. Precedent suggested co-operating was the best way to ensure everyone's safety. The fate of the third airliner supports this - the passengers took action only because they'd learned the fate of the first two planes - that it was not a normal hijacking.
The hijackers had received professional airliner simulator training. They knew enough of the basics to stand a reasonable chance of achieving their objective. Bear in mind experiments have shown that a complete novice can safely land an airliner simulator given instructions over the radio.
I'm not going into the structural collapse thing again.
I do understand why people mistrust governments. However you can't compare a rogue medical experiment from 60 or 70 years ago to what would have to be the world's greatest, most elaborate conspiracy. Once more, do you think the U.S. Government is competent enough to pull that off?
Occam's razor also suggest that if the U.S. Government wanted a false flag to legitimise action in Afghanistan or Iraq (again) it didn't need such a risky (achieving it or being caught out), grandiose plot.
ErnestoA said:
ErnestoA said:
Q.E.D.
Danny Mayes
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Punx0r, have you watched Doctor Woods presentation?
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I commented on Page 1 of this thread on the part of it I did see.
I'm not watching any more monologues aided by stock photos from random people. It's not a valid argument to dismiss someone because they haven't watched video 2387, there are hundred/thousands of such videos on the internet and someone cannot watch them all. Not that any of them offer anything other than personal opinion and speculation. If you want to convince me the buildings were brought down by a controlled explosive demolition, then the only video I'd be interested in watching is one featuring a demolition expert with the physical evidence of explosive demolition he recovered from the site and had been verified as such.
I'm not watching any more monologues aided by stock photos from random people. It's not a valid argument to dismiss someone because they haven't watched video 2387, there are hundred/thousands of such videos on the internet and someone cannot watch them all. Not that any of them offer anything other than personal opinion and speculation. If you want to convince me the buildings were brought down by a controlled explosive demolition, then the only video I'd be interested in watching is one featuring a demolition expert with the physical evidence of explosive demolition he recovered from the site and had been verified as such.
I find it crazy how many of you are 100% positive it was not an inside job or conspiracy and are quick to call out someone who brings this up. This is scary as you are brain washed by your own government and you will case a slowing in the transition to sustainable human survival. I keep an open mind about this stuff either way as I was not there I did not see it all. But if you as me when the trade center towers we constructed they where built to withstand a plane crash as well jet fuel will not cause any steal to weaken or break and will not cause the bottom floors to collapse first and will sure as frock not cause the 3rd building to fall just like the other perfectly strait down!
How about the reporter who reported WT7 as fallen from debris hitting it with it still standing behind her?
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How about the reporter who reported WT7 as fallen from debris hitting it with it still standing behind her?
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Punx0r said:
Yeah, you haven't made an effort to really pay attention to a lot of things that have been said here though. So what's the point in participating in this conversation other than lashing out at people who believe something different than you?
Why would the government allow a demolitions expert to come survey the area? they immediately scurried away all the building material to some foreign country or an undisclosed dump site and did not allow that to happen. ( there are still many claims of finding traces of thermite near the buildings, but i'm not sure how credible those are ).
Given that 9/11 was used as a justification to launch 3 huge simultaneous wars, i kinda doubt that they'd let anyone do that. There'd be a bullet in the back of the head of someone who even attempted it. Nonetheless, many credible people from other fields have spoken out, including a few of the men who who were instrumental in writing the 9/11 commission report initially and then years later, admitted that they lied. Louis Freeh, former FBI director is one of these men. I can't think of the other off the top of my head.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_9/11_Commission
Nonetheless..
:lol:
So, the people behind this amazingly risky secret conspiracy briefed the media ahead of time what was going to happen? Or did someone working on a live news feed in what was a stressful and confusing situation get mixed up about what had already happened and what might happen and what probably won't happen? TV outtake shows indicate how often screw-ups happen with live TV broadcasting.
I'm not 100% positive about anything in life. I accept it's possible it could have been a conspiracy (although, which of all the different ones? Like religions they all claim to be the one true one!), just the probability I attach to that is very, very small. Small enough that for everyday purposes I can happily summarise that it didn't happen.
It's interesting you state I'm brainwashed by my own Government. I thought this was a conspiracy by the U.S. Government? As well as they media did they also let all the other world governments in on it? Man, of all the people to trust with your life and the future of your country you wouldn't have thought they'd pick news reporters and politicians.
Recalling an interview with the chief architect, the towers were DESIGNED (note, not TESTED) to withstand an accidental impact with a plane. They were also designed to withstand general fire by use of insulation to protect the steelwork. However, planes have gotten bigger since the 1960s. They designers also didn't consider the effect of the impact explosion on the aged, fragile insulation.
Speaking of which: " jet fuel will not cause any steal to weaken or break". I seriously, seriously hope you mean "the chemical action of room-temperature liquid jet fuel acting on steel" and not "burning jet fuel". Otherwise you're going to have to return any qualifications you might have in science, physics, engineering or even metal-working to the faculty along with an apology note...
I'm not 100% positive about anything in life. I accept it's possible it could have been a conspiracy (although, which of all the different ones? Like religions they all claim to be the one true one!), just the probability I attach to that is very, very small. Small enough that for everyday purposes I can happily summarise that it didn't happen.
It's interesting you state I'm brainwashed by my own Government. I thought this was a conspiracy by the U.S. Government? As well as they media did they also let all the other world governments in on it? Man, of all the people to trust with your life and the future of your country you wouldn't have thought they'd pick news reporters and politicians.
Recalling an interview with the chief architect, the towers were DESIGNED (note, not TESTED) to withstand an accidental impact with a plane. They were also designed to withstand general fire by use of insulation to protect the steelwork. However, planes have gotten bigger since the 1960s. They designers also didn't consider the effect of the impact explosion on the aged, fragile insulation.
Speaking of which: " jet fuel will not cause any steal to weaken or break". I seriously, seriously hope you mean "the chemical action of room-temperature liquid jet fuel acting on steel" and not "burning jet fuel". Otherwise you're going to have to return any qualifications you might have in science, physics, engineering or even metal-working to the faculty along with an apology note...
dnmun
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i find it even more crazy that you could believe it. really sad to see people who should be more capable since they have worked with steel and know how heat will soften it should be able to make such statements and be pliable to such hysteria like a schoolgirl.
perhaps you should investigate yourself why there was 14,000 gallons of diesel stored midway up building 7 for the emergency generators and how the falling debris kicked out from the base of the tower was known to have ignited the fire in building 7.
maybe the FBI stored it there so they could destroy the building to hide their plans to take over the guvment? is that crazy enuff that you would believe it too?
perhaps you should investigate yourself why there was 14,000 gallons of diesel stored midway up building 7 for the emergency generators and how the falling debris kicked out from the base of the tower was known to have ignited the fire in building 7.
maybe the FBI stored it there so they could destroy the building to hide their plans to take over the guvment? is that crazy enuff that you would believe it too?
Nep, I think it's very likely that following the attack on the WTC stuff was covered up by U.S. government, military and/or intelligence officials. Possibly by ones from other countries as well. All people trying to limit political or legal fallout, or trying to avoid their incompetence being exposed. This is the normal way people behave. People will be stopped from poking their noses in, people will lie, people will refuse to explain something they said or did. It will all look shady.
I'm not sure where this talk of thermite comes from. I'm not aware of it having much use in cutting structural steel in controlled demolitions. I suspect someone threw it in because it sounded cool, and "nano-thermite" sounded even cooler. Plus it probably explains why exploding demolition charges weren't heard...
This controlled demolition thing (whether by magic thermite or conventional shaped charged) just isn't credible and can be dismissed out of hand. You cannot prepare, charge and wire a building like that without someone noticing. You also have to either wire almost the entire building, or be able to crash the plane into the precise few floors you did wire. And hope the impact doesn't take out your wiring. Also, if you wanted it to look legit, surely you'd hit the "kaboom" switch as soon as the plane hit? Why wait an hour? We all "know" fire and internal collapse couldn't have initiated the collapse. Think about, plane spotted coming in, ready on trigger, plane impacts, hole in building, explosion/fireball, NOW! Looks legit, plane impact masks the sound and blast of the demolition charges. I bet none of you conspiracy advocates took up my suggestion to watch a documentary on explosive building demolition. That's the problem with getting your knowledge of chemistry from the Anarchist's Cockbook and knowledge of explosives and demolitions from Holywood...
I'm not sure where this talk of thermite comes from. I'm not aware of it having much use in cutting structural steel in controlled demolitions. I suspect someone threw it in because it sounded cool, and "nano-thermite" sounded even cooler. Plus it probably explains why exploding demolition charges weren't heard...
This controlled demolition thing (whether by magic thermite or conventional shaped charged) just isn't credible and can be dismissed out of hand. You cannot prepare, charge and wire a building like that without someone noticing. You also have to either wire almost the entire building, or be able to crash the plane into the precise few floors you did wire. And hope the impact doesn't take out your wiring. Also, if you wanted it to look legit, surely you'd hit the "kaboom" switch as soon as the plane hit? Why wait an hour? We all "know" fire and internal collapse couldn't have initiated the collapse. Think about, plane spotted coming in, ready on trigger, plane impacts, hole in building, explosion/fireball, NOW! Looks legit, plane impact masks the sound and blast of the demolition charges. I bet none of you conspiracy advocates took up my suggestion to watch a documentary on explosive building demolition. That's the problem with getting your knowledge of chemistry from the Anarchist's Cockbook and knowledge of explosives and demolitions from Holywood...
It's a refreshing change to be agreeing with you, dnmun, but thanks for brining up the very relevant fact about fuel storage in building 7. A nice, plausible, verifiable fact. Something this whole issue could use a whole lot more of.
Please stop. You're embarrassing yourself
eTrike said:
Please stop. You're embarrassing yourself
dnmun
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it is kinda annoying to see people quoting 'physics' when it is obvious they lack even a credible interpretation of reality to begin with.
one of my students when i had to teach sophomore physics as a grad student seemed to be very capable so i got into a discussion with him about why he was interested in studying physics.
he told me how he really wanted to understand how the Warp Drive worked on the Starship Enterprise and had little interest in other phenomena such as light or materials, just how the warp drive worked. as though he was gonna build one in his garage when he grew up.
he actually was a good student and learned a lot so i always try to see a good side to these insanities but some people start out already knowing the answer and it usually involves the guvment spying on you or google listening to your thoughts through your cellphone or laptop.
these are the people who can never do science, since they know the answer before they begin, so there is nothing to learn but prove how they are right and everyone else is wrong.
this is why the chinese and the japanese and the indian students are eating our lunch. all these kids growing up in the lap of luxury and doting mothers in the west have no reason to spend the time it takes to learn how to think to begin with.
one of my students when i had to teach sophomore physics as a grad student seemed to be very capable so i got into a discussion with him about why he was interested in studying physics.
he told me how he really wanted to understand how the Warp Drive worked on the Starship Enterprise and had little interest in other phenomena such as light or materials, just how the warp drive worked. as though he was gonna build one in his garage when he grew up.
he actually was a good student and learned a lot so i always try to see a good side to these insanities but some people start out already knowing the answer and it usually involves the guvment spying on you or google listening to your thoughts through your cellphone or laptop.
these are the people who can never do science, since they know the answer before they begin, so there is nothing to learn but prove how they are right and everyone else is wrong.
this is why the chinese and the japanese and the indian students are eating our lunch. all these kids growing up in the lap of luxury and doting mothers in the west have no reason to spend the time it takes to learn how to think to begin with.
Eclectic
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Oh I can’t resist… where’s that Dead Horse…where’s my riding crop…
So how does thermite cut a vertical beam anyway? I understand how it cuts a horizontal beam because gravity keeps it in contact with the ever changing surface that it is cutting through. On a vertical beam, gravity would make it fall away from the target. I know that it has been used a few times to cut vertical beams but it takes A LOT of thermite SURROUNDING the beam and then A LOT of fireproof ceramics SURROUNDING the thermite to keep it in place. So you end up with something like this:
So if you were wondering what all those bulges were on ALL the vertical supports on ALL the floors of WT1, WT2 and WT7 were; they were all filled with nano-thermite (regular thermite would have taken way too long) and triggered with microsecond timing precision so that they appeared to be in free-fall (sarcasm).
It is my understanding that the “Government” had spent years (and hundreds of millions of dollars) perfecting this technique so that they could make a building collapse in free-fall without anyone wondering why a building would collapse in free-fall for no apparent reason. I guess we will never know because I have heard that all the engineers that had worked on this project have disappeared under mysterious circumstances (sarcasm).
Do I think that there some people within the “Government” that are capable and willing to put together a conspiracy when “the end justifies the means”. Yep!
If you said that the “Government” knew about the plot to bring down the towers and let it happen so the “Government” could start a war (Pearl Harbor?); I’d have said maybe.
If you said the “Government” sent a ship in harm’s way (Havana Harbor, Gulf of Tonkin) to justify a war; I say they’ve done it before.
If you said the “Government” dressed a bunch of black-ops to look like bad-guys and attacked an embassy; I’d say unlikely but possible.
Whether you think George Bush was competent or not, I have a hard time believing he is so cold, cruel and Machiavellian that he would have signed off on a plot that slaughtered thousands of valued American (rich and white as opposed to non-valued non-rich non-white…sarcasm – not my opinion BTW), destroyed a lot of valued real estate and made him and his staff look like fools. Not to mention that the plot was executed with such seamless perfection that the only way to detect it was with a microscope.
So how does thermite cut a vertical beam anyway? I understand how it cuts a horizontal beam because gravity keeps it in contact with the ever changing surface that it is cutting through. On a vertical beam, gravity would make it fall away from the target. I know that it has been used a few times to cut vertical beams but it takes A LOT of thermite SURROUNDING the beam and then A LOT of fireproof ceramics SURROUNDING the thermite to keep it in place. So you end up with something like this:
So if you were wondering what all those bulges were on ALL the vertical supports on ALL the floors of WT1, WT2 and WT7 were; they were all filled with nano-thermite (regular thermite would have taken way too long) and triggered with microsecond timing precision so that they appeared to be in free-fall (sarcasm).
It is my understanding that the “Government” had spent years (and hundreds of millions of dollars) perfecting this technique so that they could make a building collapse in free-fall without anyone wondering why a building would collapse in free-fall for no apparent reason. I guess we will never know because I have heard that all the engineers that had worked on this project have disappeared under mysterious circumstances (sarcasm).
Do I think that there some people within the “Government” that are capable and willing to put together a conspiracy when “the end justifies the means”. Yep!
If you said that the “Government” knew about the plot to bring down the towers and let it happen so the “Government” could start a war (Pearl Harbor?); I’d have said maybe.
If you said the “Government” sent a ship in harm’s way (Havana Harbor, Gulf of Tonkin) to justify a war; I say they’ve done it before.
If you said the “Government” dressed a bunch of black-ops to look like bad-guys and attacked an embassy; I’d say unlikely but possible.
Whether you think George Bush was competent or not, I have a hard time believing he is so cold, cruel and Machiavellian that he would have signed off on a plot that slaughtered thousands of valued American (rich and white as opposed to non-valued non-rich non-white…sarcasm – not my opinion BTW), destroyed a lot of valued real estate and made him and his staff look like fools. Not to mention that the plot was executed with such seamless perfection that the only way to detect it was with a microscope.
Rules about that? no way. 'Other toxic discussions' is a free speech zone. As a moderator, it is my 'MO' to keep it that way forever.
I do feel like internet conversations these days all too often end up in people never changing their views despite being challenged with evidence/proper arguments, and that's a shame. The old saying applies.. 'you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink'.
I do feel like internet conversations these days all too often end up in people never changing their views despite being challenged with evidence/proper arguments, and that's a shame. The old saying applies.. 'you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink'.
eTrike said:
Eclectic said:
One only need to read through some classified documents ( google 'operation northwoods' for example ) in order to come up with skepticism that a repeated pattern of false flag setups hasn't ended.
It is not crazy at all to believe that 9/11 was a setup, considering that declassified documents show that they've done these things before, and plotted similar plans but shelved the plot and did not execute it.
If you can't entertain the possibility that this was a setup, i'd have to say that you either haven't' done your reading about the past, or suffer some type of stockholm syndrome where you justify the abusive acts of your keeper.
If you've seen an episode of Jerry Springer, Maury Povich, etc. you've seen this in action. Someone's in an abusive relationship and thinks that things will eventually change.. or they explain away/downplay the bruises on their face.
Our government is responsible for setting forth the chain of events that lead to 9/11, no matter how you think of it. And our abusive keeper, George Bush, explained away things by just telling us that these people hated us for our freedom.
He conveniently failed to mention that we funded these people during operation cyclone. He conveniently did not mention that we planned to invade Afghanistan months prior to the attack. He failed to mention the threats we'd received in retaliation for the planned invasion.
The government had a hand in bringing this about, even if you don't believe it was a false flag. It wouldn't have occurred otherwise. Al Qaeda doesn't fly planes into towers in Canada, Switzerland, Africa, Australia, etc etc, do they? Do you really believe that they killed 3,000 people because they hated our freedom because our dumbass president said so? that's some stockholm shit right there.
Damn, that's a good video.
Many organizations do actually use thermite to melt steel and even aluminum. It's how the department of defense prefers to destroy their hard drives.
There are lots of videos of thermite reducing aluminum and steel into puddles. Here is one:
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Many organizations do actually use thermite to melt steel and even aluminum. It's how the department of defense prefers to destroy their hard drives.
There are lots of videos of thermite reducing aluminum and steel into puddles. Here is one:
[youtube]SnFcqS-W1T4[/youtube]
Eclectic
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neptronix said:
I just said that I believe that the "Government" is capable of conspiracies. This one doesn’t seem to make sense to me.
neptronix said:
No; Bin Laden sent Jihad cruise missiles as revenge for Clinton sending cruise missiles that killed (one of) his wife and children.
I'm pretty sure that threatening to invade the country we basically put him in charge of in the 80's was part of things ( if this wasn't an inside job ).
This is why WHO took the twin towers down is irrelevant, because the USA handed these people billions of dollars ( in 1980's money, that was a lot ) and even super heavy weaponry:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet–Afghan_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone
This is why WHO took the twin towers down is irrelevant, because the USA handed these people billions of dollars ( in 1980's money, that was a lot ) and even super heavy weaponry:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet–Afghan_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone
BTW, here is that article, circa 1993:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...n-robert-fisk-met-him-in-almatig-1465715.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...n-robert-fisk-met-him-in-almatig-1465715.html
There is undoubtedly more to this than meets the eye. The one thing I will write off as nonsense is this sorry excuse for a theory that it was a controlled demolition. What is not in doubt is that someone hijacked airliners, flew them into buildings and those building subsequently collapsed as a direct result. Now, the chain of events going back many years that caused those planes to be hijacked is definitely up for debate. There is room there for negligence, incompetence, even complicity on the part of the U.S. authorities.
Regarding the false flag issue: Here's a question: why would such a plan require explosive demolition of the buildings? An act that involved enemies of the U.S. hijacking several airliners, full of hundreds of innocents, crashing them into prominent buildings, killing yet more innocents on the ground, would surely be a sufficient false-flag in itself? As a plot it involves a small number of people, easy to allow to happen and keep secret.
Eclectic, good reference image for the realities of vertical beam cutting with thermite It's understandable that someone who hasn't seen or experienced thermite before might think it's magic.
eTrike, your hypocrisy amuses me You claim to stand for open debate and the freedom to search for the truth, but you think someone who doesn't agree with you ought to be forcibly silenced. Personally I believe you have the right to expound any crazy theories you like, but I also reserve the right to laugh at them when you do so in a public arena.
Regarding the false flag issue: Here's a question: why would such a plan require explosive demolition of the buildings? An act that involved enemies of the U.S. hijacking several airliners, full of hundreds of innocents, crashing them into prominent buildings, killing yet more innocents on the ground, would surely be a sufficient false-flag in itself? As a plot it involves a small number of people, easy to allow to happen and keep secret.
Eclectic, good reference image for the realities of vertical beam cutting with thermite
It's understandable that someone who hasn't seen or experienced thermite before might think it's magic.eTrike, your hypocrisy amuses me
You claim to stand for open debate and the freedom to search for the truth, but you think someone who doesn't agree with you ought to be forcibly silenced. Personally I believe you have the right to expound any crazy theories you like, but I also reserve the right to laugh at them when you do so in a public arena.Punx0r, regarding the false flag theories - the idea that the building was rigged to explode when it was built in the 1980's is a bit implausible, i would agree with that. Government usually doesn't plan ahead that far. They have gone for something easier in all of their false flag plots in the past.
But it is also strange that the owner of these buildings took an insurance policy that included terrorism out on the buildings, weeks before they were hit, and collected on that shit bigtime.
I don't know what to believe, but i would call that some shady stuff. And refusing to allow independent research is also shady.
Our government has no problem killing it's own innocent citizens en-masse. They don't even blink an eye when they've murdered millions of innocents abroad. Here is an example of the kind of absolute psychopaths we are dealing with here:
[youtube]omnskeu-puE[/youtube]
I still put my chips on the attack being blowback for our foreign involvement.
These types of things do not happen to countries that don't wage war on that region of the world, continually keeping it impoverished and destitute. Bin Laden was a man who grew up watching the USA blow up the land he lived in since he was born, and was pissed about it. There are generations of people living in the area who share the same frustrations and perpetual suffering. Extreme religious ideals that justify violence are almost always born out of desperation. It is completely understandable that a large group of people would band together and seek retaliation. You would probably find that citizens of any country in the world would feel the same if they were treated that way.
The federal government here always tries to make our country look like the victim, when in reality, the casualty ratio is 1:10000 or worse. Middle easterners never came here and overthrew our government and dropped bombs on us.
Our government, in collaboration with the Saudis, instigated most of what happened here and responsible for it to a large degree. The men who supposedly hijacked those plains were funded by the taxpayers here.
Hillary Clinton even admitted it in various interviews, when she was a new secretary of state.
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The spooky thing is that we're still doing it today, and ISIS is the result.
That's what really terrorizes me. Not these symptoms - but a long trend of making enemies across the globe via mass murder, which in the future, we will no longer have the funds to deal with. This is how empires fall and change hands.
But it is also strange that the owner of these buildings took an insurance policy that included terrorism out on the buildings, weeks before they were hit, and collected on that shit bigtime.
I don't know what to believe, but i would call that some shady stuff. And refusing to allow independent research is also shady.
Our government has no problem killing it's own innocent citizens en-masse. They don't even blink an eye when they've murdered millions of innocents abroad. Here is an example of the kind of absolute psychopaths we are dealing with here:
[youtube]omnskeu-puE[/youtube]
I still put my chips on the attack being blowback for our foreign involvement.
These types of things do not happen to countries that don't wage war on that region of the world, continually keeping it impoverished and destitute. Bin Laden was a man who grew up watching the USA blow up the land he lived in since he was born, and was pissed about it. There are generations of people living in the area who share the same frustrations and perpetual suffering. Extreme religious ideals that justify violence are almost always born out of desperation. It is completely understandable that a large group of people would band together and seek retaliation. You would probably find that citizens of any country in the world would feel the same if they were treated that way.
The federal government here always tries to make our country look like the victim, when in reality, the casualty ratio is 1:10000 or worse. Middle easterners never came here and overthrew our government and dropped bombs on us.
Our government, in collaboration with the Saudis, instigated most of what happened here and responsible for it to a large degree. The men who supposedly hijacked those plains were funded by the taxpayers here.
Hillary Clinton even admitted it in various interviews, when she was a new secretary of state.
[youtube]WnLvzV9xAHA[/youtube]
[youtube]Dqn0bm4E9yw[/youtube]
The spooky thing is that we're still doing it today, and ISIS is the result.
That's what really terrorizes me. Not these symptoms - but a long trend of making enemies across the globe via mass murder, which in the future, we will no longer have the funds to deal with. This is how empires fall and change hands.
Punx0r said:
The innocent side of that is simply the result of being World Policeman. Other aspects, are as you say, the result of incompetent, malicious or corrupt action in various parts of the world.
Regarding the insurance policy on the WTC buildings, the timing seems like a coincidence, but I'm surprised they didn't already have insurance including terrorism, considering the truck bomb attack in 1993. Maybe the timing of the insurance was pure coincidence. Maybe the building owner got an innocent tip off with access to intelligence that suggested shit might be about to go down in NYC. Maybe they got a non-innocent tip off from someone who knew shit was about to go down... Either way, nothing to suggest the building owner new his buildings were going to be hit (or explosively demolished...).
Regarding the insurance policy on the WTC buildings, the timing seems like a coincidence, but I'm surprised they didn't already have insurance including terrorism, considering the truck bomb attack in 1993. Maybe the timing of the insurance was pure coincidence. Maybe the building owner got an innocent tip off with access to intelligence that suggested shit might be about to go down in NYC. Maybe they got a non-innocent tip off from someone who knew shit was about to go down... Either way, nothing to suggest the building owner new his buildings were going to be hit (or explosively demolished...).
