Galileo/Newton agree-- 9/11 was an inside job!
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nutnspecial
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Punxor, I'd like to sideline/withdraw my reference to science vs flat earth. Might have spoken too soon. Although I still believe science advances, and in many good ways, not so sure about globe vs flat right now.
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nutnspecial
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What is up with this news article about 911, 7/7, and terrorists?
The government has unveiled plans to ban anyone who criticises it from appearing on TV or protesting.
..Under the guise of protecting the public from ‘extremism’ the government proposal will allow police to vet the social media activity of “harmful” individuals and curb their right to speak at public events.
..The maximum sentence could be up to 10 years in prison for breaking a banning order.
..These new plans would also promise greater powers for British police to access internet data.
..Targeted individuals will also be barred from certain public spaces and from associating with named people. The plans were unveiled by Theresa May at the Conservative Party Conference and reiterated by David Cameron, in his speech on ‘extremism’.
..So who is included under this new definition of extremists? Are we just talking about people who allegedly bomb buildings?
..Well, according to David Cameron, the law will target “non-violent conspiracy theorists” who he claims are just as dangerous as the ISIS terrorists and must therefore, be eradicated.
..He referenced 9/11 and 7/7 Truthers as examples of the type of extremism that must be dealt in a similar fashion to ISIS.
..Such individuals are deemed to be a threat to “the functioning of democracy.”
..Furthermore, the Home Office claimed that the government’s “counter-extremism” strategy would encompass “the full spectrum of extremism”.
..In other words, you no longer have to be violent or cause harm to another to be declared a terrorist. David Cameron has announced that even those with views that are not accepted by the government will now be deemed extremists.
http://akashictimes.co.uk/david-cameron-unveils-plans-to-ban-free-speech-and-protest/
Are we this close to imprisoning people for believing/ talking about something?
I guess china and the arabic nations have had it right all along? *sarcasm*
But it's no wonder we don't have a thread on 7/7 or any people from england pro- potential conspiracy.
The government has unveiled plans to ban anyone who criticises it from appearing on TV or protesting.
..Under the guise of protecting the public from ‘extremism’ the government proposal will allow police to vet the social media activity of “harmful” individuals and curb their right to speak at public events.
..The maximum sentence could be up to 10 years in prison for breaking a banning order.
..These new plans would also promise greater powers for British police to access internet data.
..Targeted individuals will also be barred from certain public spaces and from associating with named people. The plans were unveiled by Theresa May at the Conservative Party Conference and reiterated by David Cameron, in his speech on ‘extremism’.
..So who is included under this new definition of extremists? Are we just talking about people who allegedly bomb buildings?
..Well, according to David Cameron, the law will target “non-violent conspiracy theorists” who he claims are just as dangerous as the ISIS terrorists and must therefore, be eradicated.
..He referenced 9/11 and 7/7 Truthers as examples of the type of extremism that must be dealt in a similar fashion to ISIS.
..Such individuals are deemed to be a threat to “the functioning of democracy.”
..Furthermore, the Home Office claimed that the government’s “counter-extremism” strategy would encompass “the full spectrum of extremism”.
..In other words, you no longer have to be violent or cause harm to another to be declared a terrorist. David Cameron has announced that even those with views that are not accepted by the government will now be deemed extremists.
http://akashictimes.co.uk/david-cameron-unveils-plans-to-ban-free-speech-and-protest/
Are we this close to imprisoning people for believing/ talking about something?
I guess china and the arabic nations have had it right all along? *sarcasm*
But it's no wonder we don't have a thread on 7/7 or any people from england pro- potential conspiracy.
megacycle
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I suppose does it really matter anymore, it's just like another level of knowing, of a large proportion of the population, that mainly use the fifth estate and doesnt trust official news.nutspecial said:
It appears the case, that the western government/military/corporate machine martyrs it's own for purposes of galvanising it's citizens toward fulfilling it's agendas.
"Kansas has gone bye bye", to the fairytale world of childish naivety, for many of us, since these events.
What is there to do, in a world of divisions, who's real rulers need 'the other' for transference (look over there, it's them)
All we can do is know, watch and live brave and don't let 'the management' get you down.
This is the management for the Liarers, speaking,
" This talk of us being responsible for these events, is making us uncomfortable, please be quiet, or we will make you into our 'other' to attack".
nutspecial said:
What's "up" with it is it's a great example of Truther thinking. Cherry-picking, quote-mining, miss-quoting and then distorting reality to try and shoe-horn it into preconceived notions of conspiracy and persecution.
Interestingly, the only sources referencing Cameron saying that stuff seem to be from the U.S. or Canada. Which I guess proves the complicity of the British media. Or, that the label "Truther" is almost unknown in the U.K., which would make it an odd word for Cameron to use (aside from being slang). Well, it seems he didn't say it. The follow excerpt of a speech made at the U.N. seems to be origin of the quote - since conspiracy nuts don't tend to reference sources, it's hard to be sure.
3 minute video of the speech excerpt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIHVUQhvjvU
Obviously, once quoted in full and put in context the sensationalism seems to evaporate.
thewmatusmoloki
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Punx0r,
At this stage, I know not why you are still here on this thread. I mean, is it worth it?
I don't think you are going to convince any of your opponents that they are wrong, and they certainly won't convince you that they are right.
Mental Exercise is good, and I totally approve of a scientific, logical viewpoint vigorously applied yet with an open mind.
But this thread might be the wrong place for that sort of thing.
Good fun tho
At this stage, I know not why you are still here on this thread. I mean, is it worth it?
I don't think you are going to convince any of your opponents that they are wrong, and they certainly won't convince you that they are right.
Mental Exercise is good, and I totally approve of a scientific, logical viewpoint vigorously applied yet with an open mind.
But this thread might be the wrong place for that sort of thing.
Good fun tho
nutnspecial
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Punx, Mr Cameron seems like a nice guy, but if you don't hear what he's saying in that speech, or what that article says, you haven't a clue of the ramifications.
I'm sure you're a nice guy too, (maybe you ARE cameron), but to deliberately twist my question into a 'truther vs' statement is just deplorable. You don't think england is a growing police state, spearheading it for canada australia, us? I won't be surprised when they start talking about 'thought crime' and propose a 'thought police'. Seems we're already heading towards a 'word' police.
Do you notice any difference between you and most of the people with which you disagree?
And I'm talking about multiple subjects kind sir, not just 911.
You personally attack, name call, and label.
We do not.
Please get real, get a clue, and have a nice day.
I'm sure you're a nice guy too, (maybe you ARE cameron), but to deliberately twist my question into a 'truther vs' statement is just deplorable. You don't think england is a growing police state, spearheading it for canada australia, us? I won't be surprised when they start talking about 'thought crime' and propose a 'thought police'. Seems we're already heading towards a 'word' police.
Do you notice any difference between you and most of the people with which you disagree?
And I'm talking about multiple subjects kind sir, not just 911.
You personally attack, name call, and label.
We do not.
Please get real, get a clue, and have a nice day.
Please quote the examples of name-calling from my last post. I should probably point out that I was the first person in this thread to be the subject of personal insults, but I make no issue of it.
Changes in technology have massively increased the practicality of mass-surveillance and this is a global issue, and a serious one at that. Yet some paranoid or sensationalist wally claims it's all about locking up teenagers living with their parents who post 9/11 conspiracy theories on the internets. Result? Sensible discussion is over.
FWIW, the restriction in freedom being discussed by Cameron is intended to address former policy which has been realised to be overly-liberal and discriminatory. One that has allowed overt recruitment for some terrorist groups, the results of which have only just begun to be felt.
thewmatusmoloki, I think I must just be a glutton for punishment
Changes in technology have massively increased the practicality of mass-surveillance and this is a global issue, and a serious one at that. Yet some paranoid or sensationalist wally claims it's all about locking up teenagers living with their parents who post 9/11 conspiracy theories on the internets. Result? Sensible discussion is over.
FWIW, the restriction in freedom being discussed by Cameron is intended to address former policy which has been realised to be overly-liberal and discriminatory. One that has allowed overt recruitment for some terrorist groups, the results of which have only just begun to be felt.
thewmatusmoloki, I think I must just be a glutton for punishment
nutnspecial
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megacycle
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Punx0r said:
Punx0r said:
From Pg1, first post
Punx0r said:
That's the problem with a trail of evidence, it can always lead back to the truth and evidence of subconcious denial, you don't even know what you're saying to others.
maydaverave
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I have been reading this interesting book shock doctrine. Its about Milton Friedman, his followers, the corporations who supported him, and the CIA. Its pretty interesting and goes into great depth on CIA coups of nations developing along socialist line and forcing the free market on them. It doesn't say the CIA planned 9\11 but simply was ready to take advantage of the shock of the event to radically move the this nation, Iraq, Afghanistan, towards the free market. But kind of suspicious that this organization that uses secret plots, terrorism, and torture as a matter of course should be so ready to implement so many ideas all at once.
maydaverave
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Its pretty obvious the lied about Iraq and privatized the war there making it one of the most profitable ventures in the history of mankind for a few extremely powerful corporations.
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Oh an interesting coincidence. Milton Friedman's first joint venture with the CIA to overthrow a democratically elected leader and socialist government and replace with a warlord and economic free market cabinet trained at is own chigago school of economics was on September 11 1973 in Chile which had been stable for over a hundred years and the beacon of south american democracy.
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Excerpt from shock doctrine. In one of his most influential essays, Friedman articulated contemporary capitalism's core tactical nostrum, what I have come to understand as "the shock doctrine". He observed that "only a crisis - actual or perceived - produces real change". When that crisis occurs, the actions taken depend on the ideas that are lying around. Some people stockpile canned goods and water in preparation for major disasters; Friedmanites stockpile free-market ideas. And once a crisis has struck, the University of Chicago professor was convinced that it was crucial to act swiftly, to impose rapid and irreversible change before the crisis-racked society slipped back into the "tyranny of the status quo". A variation on Machiavelli's advice that "injuries" should be inflicted "all at once", this is one of Friedman's most lasting legacies.
Friedman first learned how to exploit a shock or crisis in the mid-70s, when he advised the dictator General Augusto Pinochet. Not only were Chileans in a state of shock after Pinochet's violent coup, but the country was also traumatised by hyperinflation. Friedman advised Pinochet to impose a rapid-fire transformation of the economy - tax cuts, free trade, privatised services, cuts to social spending and deregulation.
It was the most extreme capitalist makeover ever attempted anywhere, and it became known as a "Chicago School" revolution, as so many of Pinochet's economists had studied under Friedman there. Friedman coined a phrase for this painful tactic: economic "shock treatment". In the decades since, whenever governments have imposed sweeping free-market programs, the all-at-once shock treatment, or "shock therapy", has been the method of choice."
Friedman first learned how to exploit a shock or crisis in the mid-70s, when he advised the dictator General Augusto Pinochet. Not only were Chileans in a state of shock after Pinochet's violent coup, but the country was also traumatised by hyperinflation. Friedman advised Pinochet to impose a rapid-fire transformation of the economy - tax cuts, free trade, privatised services, cuts to social spending and deregulation.
It was the most extreme capitalist makeover ever attempted anywhere, and it became known as a "Chicago School" revolution, as so many of Pinochet's economists had studied under Friedman there. Friedman coined a phrase for this painful tactic: economic "shock treatment". In the decades since, whenever governments have imposed sweeping free-market programs, the all-at-once shock treatment, or "shock therapy", has been the method of choice."
megacycle said:
Yeah, I don't think referring to a defuse, hypothetical group of militant conspiracy "enthusiasts" as "conspiracy nuts" really constitutes a personal attack on a participant of this debate.
Anyway, I think this thread has finally completely degenerated.
Hillhater
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Nah !....it did that 16 pages ago ! :wink:Punx0r said:
dnmun
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amazing it is still generating responses. i gave up when people i thought had more sense were talking about how heat does not deform steel under load. amazing the lengths people will bend their mind in order to feed their conspiracy psychosis.
Chalo
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Heat distort an ultra-high-rise and it will fall over, not straight down into itself.
Why don't you take my challenge and find a single other example of any tall steel building anywhere in the world that fell neatly straight down from fire alone? As far as I can tell, it happened only three times ever, on the same day, in the same place.
But things that don't happen at all, don't happen three times in a row on the same day in the same place. There is another explanation, and the events that followed suggest what that explanation is.
Why don't you take my challenge and find a single other example of any tall steel building anywhere in the world that fell neatly straight down from fire alone? As far as I can tell, it happened only three times ever, on the same day, in the same place.
But things that don't happen at all, don't happen three times in a row on the same day in the same place. There is another explanation, and the events that followed suggest what that explanation is.
megacycle
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Punx0r said:
How to use the narratives created around doublespeak words, applied in a third person manner, no offense, mind you.
Talking about liarers, that create an unreality around an event to hide an inconvenient truth and naivists, you know those people that toe the government line and think their government wouldn't sacrifice them, to fulfill an agenda.
Do you realise it's possible to have a healthy mistrust of authority and also not be gullible and paranoid enough believe any old unsubstantiated nonsense someone dreams up and posts on youtube?
Chalo, I did point out in an earlier post that there appears to have been no comparable incident in history to which the collapse of the WTC towers can be meaningfully compared, on account of their unconventional construction, the mechanical damage they each sustained and the widespread and uncontrolled nature of the fires.
The analyses by NIST describing the structural failings have the ring of the truth to them. The Popular Mechanics team stated they couldn't find a single expert in relevant fields to support any of the claims made by the conspiracy theorists, not even the ones those theorists claim do support their theories. In addition to the mind-boggling array of assumptions required to make a controlled-demolition (or space-based directed energy weapon) theory valid is the further assumption that the only people who have figured out the truth are not the qualified, experienced people in the relevant fields, but unqualified armchair experts who spend their lives writing (usually badly) on the internets. And let's not forget the international nature required by these conspiracy theories, including in countries unfriendly to the U.S.
I will be keeping an eye out for the upcoming space-shuttle conspiracy theories - that one is a good call
Chalo, I did point out in an earlier post that there appears to have been no comparable incident in history to which the collapse of the WTC towers can be meaningfully compared, on account of their unconventional construction, the mechanical damage they each sustained and the widespread and uncontrolled nature of the fires.
The analyses by NIST describing the structural failings have the ring of the truth to them. The Popular Mechanics team stated they couldn't find a single expert in relevant fields to support any of the claims made by the conspiracy theorists, not even the ones those theorists claim do support their theories. In addition to the mind-boggling array of assumptions required to make a controlled-demolition (or space-based directed energy weapon) theory valid is the further assumption that the only people who have figured out the truth are not the qualified, experienced people in the relevant fields, but unqualified armchair experts who spend their lives writing (usually badly) on the internets. And let's not forget the international nature required by these conspiracy theories, including in countries unfriendly to the U.S.
I will be keeping an eye out for the upcoming space-shuttle conspiracy theories - that one is a good call
Reading this article reminded me of this thread: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-33754932
It's about how an increasing number of young Japanese are challenging the "official version of events" concerning the abduction and rape of Chinese and Korean women during the Japanese occupation in WW2. The faulty reasoning and denial are seem similar to that used in this and the recent Arctic ice/climate change thread.
It's about how an increasing number of young Japanese are challenging the "official version of events" concerning the abduction and rape of Chinese and Korean women during the Japanese occupation in WW2. The faulty reasoning and denial are seem similar to that used in this and the recent Arctic ice/climate change thread.
megacycle
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Have noticed the subtle shift of the 'Beeb' over right, over the years, same slide 'Auntie' is taking lately, down here, since the latest rabble seized power, with much needed help from the Murdoch Menace.Punx0r said:
I will compromise with you by sharing it, but only with those whose intelligence I wish to undermine.
Megacycle, the BBC in the UK, at least, is widely regarded as being left-wing due to their reporting practices, internal organisational polices and clashes with the current centre-right government. Thankfully the talented production staff still manage to turn out some great programming despite the politics.
Megacycle, the BBC in the UK, at least, is widely regarded as being left-wing due to their reporting practices, internal organisational polices and clashes with the current centre-right government. Thankfully the talented production staff still manage to turn out some great programming despite the politics.
