r3volved
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You'd think so, but...here we arePunx0r said:
Galileo/Newton agree-- 9/11 was an inside job!
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nutnspecial
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Who said that came from a human?
r3volved
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Not particularly posting to raise discussion. Just that it's far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. (CSagan)
http://www.theladbible.com/articles/jet-fuel-can-t-melt-steel-beams-conspiracy-theory-debunked-by-one-guy-who-s-had-enough
http://www.theladbible.com/articles/jet-fuel-can-t-melt-steel-beams-conspiracy-theory-debunked-by-one-guy-who-s-had-enough
r3volved
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Clearly since my two sentences and evidence against one argument is not addressing all the arguments then it's irrelevant? Can you provide other evidence against this man's demonstrable claim or just trying to discredit by shifting the goalposts?
They physics used to explain how 9.11 happened are the same principals used to explain how the Magic bullet killed Kennedy. They also have a similar system of accounting they use at the Federal reserve - black magic, rule through illusion. Beyond the obvious physics, why did DICK stand down NORAD?
This is the brains function, but patterns are not random- you just do not understand them. The brains identifies patterns and we subscribe some langue to it. The attack on 9/11 was labeled for us by the media s a terrorist attack, but those with more experience and knowledge came up with a false flag attack. For example, I was a former soldier serving in a military intelligence unit with Top Secret clearance. I have an expanded understanding of how the military operates from experience which expands my capacity to see an event in more than one way. If you cannot see the war on terror for the fraud it is by this point, there is no helping you. To quote Pynchon, Once they got you asking the wrong the questions, the answers don't matter.
This is the brains function, but patterns are not random- you just do not understand them. The brains identifies patterns and we subscribe some langue to it. The attack on 9/11 was labeled for us by the media s a terrorist attack, but those with more experience and knowledge came up with a false flag attack. For example, I was a former soldier serving in a military intelligence unit with Top Secret clearance. I have an expanded understanding of how the military operates from experience which expands my capacity to see an event in more than one way. If you cannot see the war on terror for the fraud it is by this point, there is no helping you. To quote Pynchon, Once they got you asking the wrong the questions, the answers don't matter.
Uhmmm the molten steal seen spraying out of the buildings.....
The people who hear multiple explosions.......
The pictures of beams cut like someone used a torch.....
I can list 1000 things punx0r and you will still argue some shitty lame argument trying to defend the lies you tell us you believe.
The problem is you have your mind made up and even GW bush him self could come to your house and tell you to your face he lied and it was all a lie and you would not believe him. There is something wrong inside that head of yours.
The people who hear multiple explosions.......
The pictures of beams cut like someone used a torch.....
I can list 1000 things punx0r and you will still argue some shitty lame argument trying to defend the lies you tell us you believe.
The problem is you have your mind made up and even GW bush him self could come to your house and tell you to your face he lied and it was all a lie and you would not believe him. There is something wrong inside that head of yours.
nutnspecial
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Cognative dissonance is often caused by fear. I wonder if this is true for MOST cases?
Punxor, you are doing a horrible job :lol: I wonder if any of us believe your earnestness.
The official story disintegrates in the face of all the contradictory theory and evidence.
If you actually researched and you have no doubts on the ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS amount issues with it, you should go your own way. We would all be happier, unless your purposes are not so clear or well intentioned
Punxor, you are doing a horrible job :lol: I wonder if any of us believe your earnestness.
The official story disintegrates in the face of all the contradictory theory and evidence.
If you actually researched and you have no doubts on the ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS amount issues with it, you should go your own way. We would all be happier, unless your purposes are not so clear or well intentioned
nutnspecial
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I think 911 has been well covered here. We have yays and nays, and alot of linked info and attempted discussion.
What do the readers (punxor excluded
) think of topics like:
Sandy Hook
Boston Bombing
7/7
Moonlanding
Chemtrails
JFK
WW1 WW2
Monsanto/FDA
Fed Reserve
CFR
UN
Atomic weapons
-Did I miss any?
911 for many is just the beginning, and I have a feeling most agreeing w/ official story just cannot allow themselves to go there.
Maybe they realize deep down 911 is the tip of an iceberg
What do the readers (punxor excluded
) think of topics like:Sandy Hook
Boston Bombing
7/7
Moonlanding
Chemtrails
JFK
WW1 WW2
Monsanto/FDA
Fed Reserve
CFR
UN
Atomic weapons
-Did I miss any?
911 for many is just the beginning, and I have a feeling most agreeing w/ official story just cannot allow themselves to go there.
Maybe they realize deep down 911 is the tip of an iceberg
Wait, you think atomic weapons are fake?!
Arlo, hence why I clarified "evidence" as "actual" not "the same trite shite already trotted out, and refuted, in this thread"
Your hypothetical situation about G.W. Bush is interesting because I think it clarifies the different ways we think. You would consider that as an ultimate proof, but I would not. I would be sceptical and apply Occam's Razor just as I would to anything else. The most likely conclusion would be that "Bush" was an imposter. I have never met the man and know very little about him, so impersonating him believably would be easy. Assuming it really was him, I would suspect he was either lying to me (although what his motivation to do so would be, I can't imagine), or had taken a leave of his senses. Both are much more likely than believing he had the capability to manufacture this vast, complicated, utterly secret conspiracy (something I doubt the U.S. president could do).
Arlo, hence why I clarified "evidence" as "actual" not "the same trite shite already trotted out, and refuted, in this thread"
Your hypothetical situation about G.W. Bush is interesting because I think it clarifies the different ways we think. You would consider that as an ultimate proof, but I would not. I would be sceptical and apply Occam's Razor just as I would to anything else. The most likely conclusion would be that "Bush" was an imposter. I have never met the man and know very little about him, so impersonating him believably would be easy. Assuming it really was him, I would suspect he was either lying to me (although what his motivation to do so would be, I can't imagine), or had taken a leave of his senses. Both are much more likely than believing he had the capability to manufacture this vast, complicated, utterly secret conspiracy (something I doubt the U.S. president could do).
nutnspecial
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*wink*
You do realise that conspiracy theories are the result of paranoia, which is itself an symptom of mental illness?
Is it not also strange that a person who believes one conspiracy theory is also likely to believe a raft other ones despite being about completely different subjects and unrelated?
Is it not also strange that a person who believes one conspiracy theory is also likely to believe a raft other ones despite being about completely different subjects and unrelated?
Pfft. Yes I'm paranoid.... 
JFK was assassinated right? So who did that? Should I be concerned that happened once again and from history use the info that was real and apply it to other situations with copious amounts of suspicious data and wonder if something is going on other then I've been told. There comes a point where we must realize you are just trolling. I'm out.
JFK was assassinated right? So who did that? Should I be concerned that happened once again and from history use the info that was real and apply it to other situations with copious amounts of suspicious data and wonder if something is going on other then I've been told. There comes a point where we must realize you are just trolling. I'm out.I've heard data described in many ways before but never as being "suspicious". "Suspect", maybe
It is perplexing how similar are the people who are religious and who believe conspiracy theories. I used to dismiss them as simply being like those who fall for 419 scams - gullible and a bit simple, but there's more to it than that: Such people are sometimes otherwise quite intelligent and normal, sometimes more-so than myself (in my own estimation). Yet, they both believe unsubstantiated, unprovable rot. Conversations with them always end the same way: I ask them what it would take to convince them their beliefs are wrong, what evidence they would need to see. The answer is invariably that there is nothing that could dissuade them (sometimes they justify this by claiming belief is stronger than evidence). Invariably they say this after having earlier beseeching me to "be more open-minded".
It is perplexing how similar are the people who are religious and who believe conspiracy theories. I used to dismiss them as simply being like those who fall for 419 scams - gullible and a bit simple, but there's more to it than that: Such people are sometimes otherwise quite intelligent and normal, sometimes more-so than myself (in my own estimation). Yet, they both believe unsubstantiated, unprovable rot. Conversations with them always end the same way: I ask them what it would take to convince them their beliefs are wrong, what evidence they would need to see. The answer is invariably that there is nothing that could dissuade them (sometimes they justify this by claiming belief is stronger than evidence). Invariably they say this after having earlier beseeching me to "be more open-minded".
Chalo
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To me, this has always been about the official account being far harder to accept than a secret controlled demolition.
Things that don't happen at all, don't happen three times in the same place on the same day, in different buildings and from different causes. It sure looked like a highly engineered operation to me.
So did the USA PATRIOT Act that was rolled out immediately, but obviously prepared well in advance.
Things that don't happen at all, don't happen three times in the same place on the same day, in different buildings and from different causes. It sure looked like a highly engineered operation to me.
So did the USA PATRIOT Act that was rolled out immediately, but obviously prepared well in advance.
nutnspecial
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U R incredible punx. Funny does anyone even know who you are? Appropriate for your actions i guess, and have never come across this type of behaviour in real life interactions.
The media, gov, and nist appear to be the most inept and/or malicious threat to the public's well being in light of the 'overlooked' information and basic frocking science.
I think anyone that's done any research expects much more in a disagreement than what you can offer. Sorry bud
The media, gov, and nist appear to be the most inept and/or malicious threat to the public's well being in light of the 'overlooked' information and basic frocking science.
I think anyone that's done any research expects much more in a disagreement than what you can offer. Sorry bud
r3volved
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Nutspecial, please don't forget you've claimed several times in various threads that 'basic frocking science' itself, is also a conspiracy.
markz
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Now now Nuts, you probably hurt Punx's feelings.
nutnspecial
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r3, no sir you forget so quickly, when basic science such as empirical evidence and scientific method are applied objectively without prejudice, often times 'higher' sciences such as astrophysics, and theories such as the gravitational constant start to look quite curious.
Basic frocking science is what this thread is based on and where your head should be at.
Do some people actually think it's bad to ask questions and challenge authority and science with logic and reason? The folks that do probably be the first taking orders to enslave and murder their perceived enemies or even peers .
The way the cookie crumbles -just sayin.
Basic frocking science is what this thread is based on and where your head should be at.
Do some people actually think it's bad to ask questions and challenge authority and science with logic and reason? The folks that do probably be the first taking orders to enslave and murder their perceived enemies or even peers .
The way the cookie crumbles -just sayin.
Israel had foreknowledge of the impending attacks and it's not doubtful that the jew (Larry Silverstein, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Silverstein) who had a lease on the WTC buildings (Along with a multi-billion dollar insurance policy) also had foreknowledge on the attacks with his political connections to Israel. So, it's not completely far-fetched that he may have been had some 'assistance' in the buildings' collapse since a large insurance fallout was at the end of the tunnel. Also of note, he maximized his insurance policy a few months prior to the attacks. (Looks like he eventually won $4.55 billion. With amounts of this magnitude, of course there were legal squabbles. Considering how the insurance company seems to be reluctant and haphazard in making payments, I would guess someone in the company feels like they were cheated. Isn't that unusual? Someone feeling cheated by a jew.)
Interesting tenants that Building 7 had.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#Tenants
"The Department of Defense (DOD) and Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) shared the 25th floor with the IRS"
"Smaller tenants included the Internal Revenue Service Regional Council (90,430 sq ft/8,400 m²) and the United States Secret Service"
That's quite a coincidence, I'd say. Maybe the government thought it would've been convenient for certain records to be destroyed in the building's collapse? It's not unheard of for members of Wall Street(Or new york's elite) and the Federal Government to have mutually beneficial interests, interests that are often not publicly advertised.
Having had secret clearance in the government myself, the government is pretty insistent on its workers remaining hush hush or else all sorts of bad things are going to happen. I got to sign all sorts of confidentiality agreements when I left (Not that I really knew anything particularly sensitive, lol. They were sure to remind everyone that everything was on a "need to know basis". I believe I still have secret clearance, though I don't think I can use it for anything.).
Edit: Oh my lord, saw a website that was going out of its way to debunk all the "conspiracy theories" and his reasoning was uninformed in the important parts. For example, he claimed the payoff for the insurance was a bad payoff because he only got 4.55 billion on a 7 billion building. Lol. This kid acts like Larry Silverstein actually paid 7 billion in cash upfront for the buildings, whereas if he knew anything about 99 year leases, he'd realize he didn't pay anything at all for the buildings, other than the monthly lease payment. Getting 4.55 billion with your yearly lease payment of 100 million dollars(or whatever it is) is a pretty peachy financial position to be in.
Interesting tenants that Building 7 had.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#Tenants
"The Department of Defense (DOD) and Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) shared the 25th floor with the IRS"
"Smaller tenants included the Internal Revenue Service Regional Council (90,430 sq ft/8,400 m²) and the United States Secret Service"
That's quite a coincidence, I'd say. Maybe the government thought it would've been convenient for certain records to be destroyed in the building's collapse? It's not unheard of for members of Wall Street(Or new york's elite) and the Federal Government to have mutually beneficial interests, interests that are often not publicly advertised.
Having had secret clearance in the government myself, the government is pretty insistent on its workers remaining hush hush or else all sorts of bad things are going to happen. I got to sign all sorts of confidentiality agreements when I left (Not that I really knew anything particularly sensitive, lol. They were sure to remind everyone that everything was on a "need to know basis". I believe I still have secret clearance, though I don't think I can use it for anything.).
Edit: Oh my lord, saw a website that was going out of its way to debunk all the "conspiracy theories" and his reasoning was uninformed in the important parts. For example, he claimed the payoff for the insurance was a bad payoff because he only got 4.55 billion on a 7 billion building. Lol. This kid acts like Larry Silverstein actually paid 7 billion in cash upfront for the buildings, whereas if he knew anything about 99 year leases, he'd realize he didn't pay anything at all for the buildings, other than the monthly lease payment. Getting 4.55 billion with your yearly lease payment of 100 million dollars(or whatever it is) is a pretty peachy financial position to be in.
megacycle
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That sounds like a familiar MSM line.Punx0r said:
Reminds of a CT 'going around' years before it was made public by Snowden amongst other 'theories', that there were computer systems monitoring most of the worlds telecommunications traffic, running algorithms on the data, looking for specifics.
Having worked in both the telecommunications and computer industries and already having a good idea of the dragnet and number crunching capabilities available, I knew this was a possible.
This has now been proved a reality, was I wrong in going along with this CT, with my industry knowledge. not giving these words credit, by letting them insult intelligence.
This was also when I believed all these terrorists reports in the MSM and would of thought questioning them to be strange, since then, in light of information I've grown up, it was a quite a bit of shift, yes and the fear was there when the awareness was expanded, but then the acceptance of a better paradigm, that is more aligned with reality comes, smell the coffee
[/quote]Do you know what your saying, are they your thoughts or parroting of the MSM line, because i find interesting that you generalise and marginalise people and march to the beat.Punx0r said:
To me it's boiling down to two related variables for people.
1. The want to restrict freedom, exclusive, restricting, managing.
2. The want for freedom, inclusive, expanding, leading.
Punx0r said:
Or, could it be, that is those who believe the 'official story' tend to believe a raft of other 'official stories', when in fact many of these "official stories" are proved to be utterly wrong (I.e., the catholic church and their belief in the Earth's place in the universe vs galileo's heliocentric model)? Does that make them any less crazy? Here's a hint, they're gullible. Granted, the gullible exists within both cultures (The "official stories" and "conspiracy stories" cultures), but there's a raft of rational thinkers who believe a bit of both based solely on the evidence. It's not hard to do when you have the intellectual capacity to evaluate the credibility of both official stories and conspiracies, something very few people tend to have (Most people are "conformists", and a part of that includes they believe whatever other people in their 'tribe' believes.). And, yes, there's quite a few so-called conspiracy stories that are more veritable than the official stories, that only the wise enough among us can discern.
For example, I can't verify the Jekyll Island incident and Rothschild's involvement in the federal reserve, but I can say without a doubt the federal reserve was created by the big Wall Street bankers for the Wall Street bankers, designed to increasingly usurp the wealth of the nation's economy overtime. Anybody who can look at how the Federal Reserve is structured, and actually understands its monetary flows, and tell me otherwise has got to be shitting me. Just as loans to Greece from Germany is designed to usurp the wealth of Greece and enrich the Germans, the monetary system was designed by the big bankers to usurp the wealth of America and enrich the Big Bankers. And they do it by both the same mechanism, interest rates. (Here's a hint, the primary mechanism used to be "The prime rate", but they've increasingly relied on Quantitative Easing(Otherwise known as printing money) to steal the wealth of the nation in recent times via longterm inflation that inevitably results from monetary expansion.)
Edit: Actually, I just checked out wikipedia. It appears Jekyll Island is factual (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jekyll_Island#Planning_of_the_Federal_Reserve_System):
And who are these leading financiers?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_A._Vanderlip (President of National City Bank, the largest bank of its day. Now Citibank.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Pomeroy_Davison (Senior partner at J.P. Morgan & Co., now a merger between Chase bank and Morgan Stanley)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Strong,_Jr. (Was a de facto partner at J.P. Morgan.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Warburg (Director of Wells Fargo & Company, which I have several accounts at.)
It looks like they were the Big Bankers of their day.
megacycle
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Many need to be lead, liking the stability of existing power structures, their institutions and benifits, unless it's impact on them disturbs their comfort too much, eg the GFC and/or become aware of information that shifts their awareness.swbluto said:
With increasing awareness of the structure, creating 'rocking boat' the more counter rev' from the top, MSMgander ops, (subtle tactics I noticed during the 2013 Australian election campaign were very powerful, a mass subliminal campaign) its aim to focus and stir up aggression in the general population and terrorize opposition, to protect mining and fossil fuel power, pathetic to watch, using fear to achieve results, with the currrent mess this planet is in, mainly due to them, is indicative of the nature of the lot at the top. [/quote]
Yes they are increasing power through the artificial creation and centralisation of wealth, to support their plans for us the masses.swbluto said:
megacycle
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and;-'International financiers are behind all war. They are what is called the international Jew: German—Jews, French— Jews, English—Jews, American—Jews... the Jew is the threat'.eTrike said:
Henry Ford, quoted in New York World.
Personally I'm not so, so called 'antisemetic' inclined, I believe, from what I gather it's more an age old imperialist agenda, Anglo/Zionist in nature, fitting with the current state of affairs, predominantly in the ME.
