German town goes car-free
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there are allready swiss "Luft-Kur" - villages and a german island not allowing gas engines, too.
With the increase in range, broader availability of recharge station and "finally" ( or better said a superior beginning of traffic) maybe a lease on batteries in standartised seizes ( charging done by battery swap-in-1-minute stations, not the vehicles´s operator) runned by like gas stations electrics will will on the midterm on regular dd vehicles, helping to seize down from like V8 trucks to smart-sized smaller PEV´s as i hope.
With the increase in range, broader availability of recharge station and "finally" ( or better said a superior beginning of traffic) maybe a lease on batteries in standartised seizes ( charging done by battery swap-in-1-minute stations, not the vehicles´s operator) runned by like gas stations electrics will will on the midterm on regular dd vehicles, helping to seize down from like V8 trucks to smart-sized smaller PEV´s as i hope.
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Leasing bikes...battery swapping "stations"...They, as in Them, as in The Man, are just compelled to figure out ways to extract that regular payment from you. I'm totally against any of these schemes that keep the consumer on the hook for continuing payments.
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i also think the battery exchange or leasing schemes are too much middleman and too little freedom of use by the operator.
i think the only way is for charging spots to become ubiquitous. on any street, in any location, you should be able to find a spot to charge, public or private property.
i really wish that the sphere could create a public listing of charging locations, by location, and how to access them and pay for a charge at the true cost while protecting the privacy and property rights of the owner of the charging spot.
it should be easy actually, but our society is conditioned by fear and greed, hard to get back to shared values of previous eras. religous cults, like amish can do it, so it is not impossible.
i think the only way is for charging spots to become ubiquitous. on any street, in any location, you should be able to find a spot to charge, public or private property.
i really wish that the sphere could create a public listing of charging locations, by location, and how to access them and pay for a charge at the true cost while protecting the privacy and property rights of the owner of the charging spot.
it should be easy actually, but our society is conditioned by fear and greed, hard to get back to shared values of previous eras. religous cults, like amish can do it, so it is not impossible.
In Södra Skärgården, a part of Gothenburg, Sweden, the 5000 inhabitants have been living car free all the time. It is an archipelago of 8 main islands, and many smaller.
Some years ago my sister was looking to buy a house on one of them. Between the islands are passenger ferries, however from the ferry to your house, one hauls groceries or whatnot in a wheelbarrow. Near the ferry terminal one can see the wheelbarrows lined up waiting for the owners to return.
Some years ago my sister was looking to buy a house on one of them. Between the islands are passenger ferries, however from the ferry to your house, one hauls groceries or whatnot in a wheelbarrow. Near the ferry terminal one can see the wheelbarrows lined up waiting for the owners to return.
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as a connoissuer of wheelbarrows, with 5 under the woodshed now, i am impressed with the quality of the equipment including the 2 wheel cart with the plastic spoked wheels. home made i bet. not only that, but they stack them cooperatively one on top of the next almost 10 deep, now that is a homogeneous population. in this country that would be an exclusive residential community. and nobody could touch someone else's wheelbarrow.
looks like a resort, so isolated and private. all the bikes went to work?
too cool
looks like a resort, so isolated and private. all the bikes went to work?
too cool
dnmun said:
Actually, all the 8 main islands in Södra Skärgården ("the southern archipelago") are part of the Gothenburg city inner transit zone. You get there with the same fare as on the city buses and trams.
For true isolation you need to move to the "Weather Islands" 2 hours off the Bohuslan west coast. In the old times the population was cut off for months at a time when the weather was too treacherous to cross the sea to the mainland.
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Wow.
+1 for not being "plugged in" to payments.
Electricity can still be "found" ... in a lot of places. Especially if they think you're being "green" and you ask nicely.
+1 for not being "plugged in" to payments.
Electricity can still be "found" ... in a lot of places. Especially if they think you're being "green" and you ask nicely.
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lol.
I used to make $1,000 per job for completely removing the On-Star systems from GM vehicles. I don't mean just the little pannel, but the whole system of data-logging of all your vehicles actions and position and control of various vehicle features via space.
I don't have the skills to do it for the newer versions.
As of 2008, they further intigrated systems to the degree that it requires a full conversion to a stand-alone engine management system, creating your own standalone system for basic controls for everything from door locks and power windows and HVAC related things, and forget about having airbags.
The process now costs around $6,000-10,000 dollars to have your vehicle free from big bothers observation and control, and then you always have to spoof the OBD2 port to make it through emmisions testing.
Nissan is getting to be the same way now, but they don't advertise it. I'm sure other manufactures will/are following suit. Makes me sick.
I used to make $1,000 per job for completely removing the On-Star systems from GM vehicles. I don't mean just the little pannel, but the whole system of data-logging of all your vehicles actions and position and control of various vehicle features via space.
I don't have the skills to do it for the newer versions.
As of 2008, they further intigrated systems to the degree that it requires a full conversion to a stand-alone engine management system, creating your own standalone system for basic controls for everything from door locks and power windows and HVAC related things, and forget about having airbags.
The process now costs around $6,000-10,000 dollars to have your vehicle free from big bothers observation and control, and then you always have to spoof the OBD2 port to make it through emmisions testing.
Nissan is getting to be the same way now, but they don't advertise it. I'm sure other manufactures will/are following suit. Makes me sick.
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Jag, thank you one thousand times, compliment repeated 1,000 times, for your work in posting perfect English and perfectly made photos of a place we have never seen.
It appears to be a virtual paradise for good living, the old, simple way,
but with modern improvements ONLY as needed; as dictated by REAL advances in human society.
Thank you so very much. I am in awe of your posts and in awe of the quiet, clean beauty of the places you showed.
Very best regards,
Reid in noisy, busy Miami.
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PS: do you know that the father of Art Photography (19th century "PhotoShop) was a Swede of absolutely wonderful skills---lived later in England, and taught his art and trade to famous people....much beloved then and forever.
No reply needed. I will send you a story by PM soon.
It appears to be a virtual paradise for good living, the old, simple way,
but with modern improvements ONLY as needed; as dictated by REAL advances in human society.
Thank you so very much. I am in awe of your posts and in awe of the quiet, clean beauty of the places you showed.
Very best regards,
Reid in noisy, busy Miami.
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PS: do you know that the father of Art Photography (19th century "PhotoShop) was a Swede of absolutely wonderful skills---lived later in England, and taught his art and trade to famous people....much beloved then and forever.
No reply needed. I will send you a story by PM soon.
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To the post right above
Rather than quote it, readers, please read it entirely though again and again?
Europe already has a great deal of "Big Brotherism". It's here too, in the USA:
a nation of independent colonies, federated for defence (euro-english spelling intentional) against those who would abridge our STATES' RIGHTS. Federal law, of necessity, must normalize or equalize some of our most basic freedoms, which still exist ONLY in the USA.
WE here in the USA still have it easy. Euros and Canandians, what are you paying for petrol today? Huh?
And this old, old doctrine of "hands off!!!" is the bedrock/cornerstone of the USA's very existence.
But, the writing is etched now, even on Mount Rushmore: the USA is going European Plan, and fast.
I am a political liberal, libertarian, but also conservative in some ways.
We are sinking, inexorably. It is incumbent on all Americans to plug these Freedom Leaks.
Or we are done for. We will, we are, gradually un-raveling as a nation of independent mini-countries.
End digression. My cousin, my grandmother's first cousin. This is why I talk so damned much! :|
http://www.library.american.edu/pearson/biography.html
It's in the blood. I've never read any of his columns nor books. His bulldog personality just happens to live on inside me;
I have no choice and no desire to be a sheeple. Neither do ANY of you, anywhere in this fast-uniting World.
Thank the internet: we are going to sink or swim or float, pretty much as one unit, eventually. I won't see the ultimate result,
but times, they are a'changing, and FAST now.
Internet, interknit the world!
No joke reid (for a change)
Rather than quote it, readers, please read it entirely though again and again?
Europe already has a great deal of "Big Brotherism". It's here too, in the USA:
a nation of independent colonies, federated for defence (euro-english spelling intentional) against those who would abridge our STATES' RIGHTS. Federal law, of necessity, must normalize or equalize some of our most basic freedoms, which still exist ONLY in the USA.
WE here in the USA still have it easy. Euros and Canandians, what are you paying for petrol today? Huh?
And this old, old doctrine of "hands off!!!" is the bedrock/cornerstone of the USA's very existence.
But, the writing is etched now, even on Mount Rushmore: the USA is going European Plan, and fast.
I am a political liberal, libertarian, but also conservative in some ways.
We are sinking, inexorably. It is incumbent on all Americans to plug these Freedom Leaks.
Or we are done for. We will, we are, gradually un-raveling as a nation of independent mini-countries.
End digression. My cousin, my grandmother's first cousin. This is why I talk so damned much! :|
http://www.library.american.edu/pearson/biography.html
It's in the blood. I've never read any of his columns nor books. His bulldog personality just happens to live on inside me;
I have no choice and no desire to be a sheeple. Neither do ANY of you, anywhere in this fast-uniting World.
Thank the internet: we are going to sink or swim or float, pretty much as one unit, eventually. I won't see the ultimate result,
but times, they are a'changing, and FAST now.
Internet, interknit the world!
No joke reid (for a change)
Reid Welch
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mea culpa! I derailed your thread totally! Rather than erase my rant, I leave it to stand as an example of that NOT TO DO to another person's thread.morph999 said:
Object lesson: reid is a fool at times. he uses third person tense when he's really spoiled things.
Ignore this posting and the rant above, please? I am so sorry.
r, out.
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Reid Welch said:
Perhaps *most*...not all. I lived for ten years in a "car free" community of about 2000 persons where the "streets" look like this:
View attachment Toronto_Island.jpg
The place has a 500 name waiting list just to bid at auction for one of the approx. 300 houses... It is a "gated" community, separated by one mile of harbour from downtown, and served by ferryboats that run 24/7... well, 7, not quite 24...
I have been a city kid all my life, so this was the closest I have come to what I imagine small town living is like. Dogs and kids play in the streets w/out fear of being run down by cars. It's pretty amazing. Some day developers will wake up to the fact that there is a real demand for communities like this, rather than more `burbs designed around the motorized carriage...
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wow, what a big brother paranoiy, do you all have frequency-blocking purses for the new passports with integrated rfid-chip, too ?
and car signplates will have them by soon, too.
as with mobile phone cards that can easily be tracked, there are and will be prepaid schemes you can run without showing your data once or which you can let run on the name of your grandmother if you feel you are overmuch traceable through that - some sort of centralized organisation will be essentila to have these battery swap and recharge machinery established, and most people will prever some convenient chraging that can include card ( any card, also anonymous ones), via mobile phone, and maybe others like via simpe pin and fingerprint for the existing cusomers of the mobile phone provider, electric provider or gas station that will finally run them and most likely is the investor that the stuttgart project lags for until now- the website was last updated in summer 2008.
and car signplates will have them by soon, too.
as with mobile phone cards that can easily be tracked, there are and will be prepaid schemes you can run without showing your data once or which you can let run on the name of your grandmother if you feel you are overmuch traceable through that - some sort of centralized organisation will be essentila to have these battery swap and recharge machinery established, and most people will prever some convenient chraging that can include card ( any card, also anonymous ones), via mobile phone, and maybe others like via simpe pin and fingerprint for the existing cusomers of the mobile phone provider, electric provider or gas station that will finally run them and most likely is the investor that the stuttgart project lags for until now- the website was last updated in summer 2008.
Reid Welch
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oh, oh, oh.
The Toronto island posting above is beautiful and out of reach of 99.999% of us.
OK. This thread should remain on track.
Common Sense dictates that WE, the People of the World of Endless Sphere, create a new thread
for the sidebar purpose of you-know-what.
Go to Toxic Discussions, please, to see/make a new thread. I will start a new thread there now,
entitled "BIG BROTHERISM":
http://www.endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=11216
And it's open season in that thread for all readers/writers of the world, to begin firing live rounds.
t. y.
r.
The Toronto island posting above is beautiful and out of reach of 99.999% of us.
OK. This thread should remain on track.
Common Sense dictates that WE, the People of the World of Endless Sphere, create a new thread
for the sidebar purpose of you-know-what.
Go to Toxic Discussions, please, to see/make a new thread. I will start a new thread there now,
entitled "BIG BROTHERISM":
http://www.endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=11216
And it's open season in that thread for all readers/writers of the world, to begin firing live rounds.
t. y.
r.
northernmike
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Lock why on earth did you ever leave?
I LOVE the islands...
I LOVE the islands...
spinningmagnets
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This is an interesting coincidence, as Daimler and Benz are both often credited as pioneers in the invention of gasoline-powered cars.
Lock said:I lived for ten years in a "car free" community of about 2000 persons where the "streets" look like this:Reid Welch said:
The place has a 500 name waiting list just to bid at auction for one of the approx. 300 houses...
Now if there is a 500 person waiting list just to bid for a house in a car free community, it is a bit of a paradox that there are so few such places? Haven't we been taught that the free market is supposed to help balance supply and demand? Is it not working? Maybe there's something else nefarious going on locking people into living situations they don't want, and keeping more desirable ones out of reach?
Lock
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Reid Welch said:
And I'll suggest that this is not true at all. Advertize for a few hundred like-minded home-owners who would be prepared to move into a planned community. With an urban planner develop a site plan and a business plan, then approach a developer... Life is what you make it?
This is pretty much how Vauban was created? Somebuddy had a vision? From their site here:
http://www.vauban.de/info/abstract.html
"The main goal of the project is to implement a city district in a co-operative, participatory way which meets ecological, social, economical and cultural requirements."
And one feature of the project:
"an ecological traffic / mobility concept is implemented with a reduced number of private cars to be parked in the periphery (about 40% of the households agreed to live without an own car), good public transport, a convenient car sharing system and a higher quality of living,"
So Vauban isn't "going car-free", it was designed from the outset to be (sort of) car-free.
northernmike said:
Hehe... There's good and bad in everything Mike. The Islanders make their own amusements, but the real parties are onshore..."city-side" ;->
Many move to the Islands but don't stay... Some appreciate the isolation, some don't. Some are driven crazy by the politics. Everyone knows everyone elses business? The bootlegger only has cheap beer and wine?
Anywhooo Mike, if ya love the place so much I could introduce you around if ya like. Depends what you like. I lived for a while in a shed (OK, a shed w/central heat and aircon, huge deck w/6-person hot tub...2-person Jacuzzi bath...) or a three-floor house on the beach w/sauna, workshop, two balconies, two dogs...
Ya, gave up the Island Life and now I am stuck in a mansion on Bloor in the Annex w/staff to do the cleaning (sigh.) What was I thinking!
...actually what I was thinking was that it was time to give up the toys (boats) and do something useful with my life... like, say, build electric scooters!
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nutsandvolts said:
7$+ per gallon as for fuel and close to 30 cent per kw/h here in germany...
