GIO PB 710 Real Range?

[faggot]

This is the GIO PB710

It is a complete pile of s*%t. The bike is worth $1000 brand new. I bought one off Kijiji for $180, it had a dead battery. So I found a battery for $200, it was brand new, but not from a dealer, just a battery with similar specs. On this brand new battery fully charged you get maybe 13km before the bike slows down to a crawl. I have gotten up to 17km on a single charge. I go to a dealer and ask him why does it say you get 50-60km. I am sure 50km is possible if you put a kid on it and test this on a completely flat race track. The dealer says no you're wrong I ride one to work and it's 45km to work. What do you expect from a dealer? I can't seem to find anything about the realistic range of this bike, that doesn't come from a smiling salesman type person. The 13km is more than enough for me. I just wanted cheap, the only place I ride it is to the beer store that is 2km away. I never run out of charge. Can someone tell me if there is something wrong with the e-scooter. I weigh 190 lb and there is one hill after another in my area, it's not flat at all, ever. I don't regret for a second that I bought this e scooter, walking up that 2km hill with a 24 of beer is absolutely zero fun. Maybe someone has one and can tell me about the range? My battery was $100 or at least 33% cheaper than from a dealer? :| Does anyone else get under 20km or does everyone gets 60km I am just a cheap person paying for it.

 

[amberwolf]

it had a dead battery.

What specifically were the original specs for that battery? (brand, physical size, chemistry, number of cells if it's marked or you can open it to find out, voltage, Ah, (Wh if it's marked), etc)

So I found a battery for $200, it was brand new, but not from a dealer, just a battery with similar specs.

What are the specs for this battery? (same info needed as for the first)

On this brand new battery fully charged

What are the charger specs?

Is it the same charger that came with the Gio? Or is it a new charger that came with the new battery?

 

[mistercrash]

This is the parts manual for your scooter http://www.giomotors.com/gioelectric/media/wysiwyg/Model_PB710_HB2-512BT.pdf

From this manual, the scooter uses four 12V 12Ah batteries in series for a grand total of 576wh. Puttering along to the beer store using something like 27wh/km, you'll get something like a 21 km range on flat ground. Ad hills and wind and yeah, around a 15 km range is probable. As for what the sales person is telling you at GIO, well, it's a sales person. On the other hand, everyone knows buying a car advertised as doing 35 miles per gallon, you will never get 35 miles per gallon out of it. So why do people expect to have the same range as advertised from an EV?

The only way to get more range out of your scooter is to have batteries with more watt/hours. In the meantime, make sure your scooter is in tip top shape, all bearings are rolling free and well lubed, tires inflated to up to 10 PSI more than what they are rated for.

 

[Voltron]

There's nothing wrong with your scooter, but lead acid batteries like those only put out the rated capacity at a low draw...suck the juice out of them fast and they go dead quickly.
I bought a similar kind of dead scooter, and ran it at 60 volts until the controller died, then got a $60 eBay 60v controller. These days the same motor and controller are running in a bike frame at 72v and going on about 7000 miles. You can really make a fun beer fetching machine out of the pile of parts you have there for not a lot of bucks.

Edit...just reread that you replaced one battery... maybe bring a volt meter with you and when it gets slow find the weakest battery and replace that one too. Another way they're different from lithium is the charging. Lithium chargers go to the voltage they're set for and sit there. With lead, right before the charger clicks to green it's supposed to be at 14.4v or so per battery. Right after it drops to the 13.3 or so float voltage. Timing your charging to where you're catching it right at that time the charger is clicking to green makes a big difference in power compared to an hour or two later....or even half an hour.

 

[faggot]

Wow thanks for all your help everyone. The batteries in it are 12V 14ah, so something like 672wh, the scooter weighs around 90lb + me around 190lb. I get about 15 km on it with all the hills and pedal to the metal. There was one post that said this is typical, thank you. As for mpg thing, imagine if the car said it gets 50km per gallon but it really gets 15km, would you wonder if something is wrong? I was worried I might get someone saying I got a gio pb 710 or a similar scooter and I get the 50km as advertised, and I am not a midget. Does anyone have a scooter running 48 volt battery pack acid lead and is similar weight, I want to know what you get? I'm thinking that 50km is the most that they can prove is possible to get out of this bike with a midget on it.

 

[spinningmagnets]

If you are happy with the performance when it is fresh off the charger (acceleration, top-speed, etc) then you just need to upgrade to a lithium battery. If you were willing to dig into the wiring and do some mods, you could swap-out the controller + battery, and that provides the option to going to 60V, for a roughly 20% boost in acceleration and top speed, but...the battery will be more expensive.