Greentime controllers

[Reactor]

Recently received my Greentime Controller 72v 1500w 45A without any pinout diagram or instructions on how to use each feature. Just want to ensure each connection is correctly identified and may help others with the same controller
A battery indicator this connects to the high level brake to engage it?
B high level brake
C LVC switch change from 63v to 42v
D Key switch, this must be shorted for controller to work
E Cruise, short to use
F 3 speed short to move to next speed
G hall sensor pins
H throttle
I ? 6pin connector red blue black white yellow green (what is it? how to use?)
J power battery + -
k phase power leads
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As people let me know I will update the information so all can use as reference.

Edit I asked Leo for a pinout but received the 48v 1000w which has some major differences from the 72v 1500w that I have.

 

[ian.mich]

No regen. Becasue Re-gen will have to do with the LVC. I want this controller can work for 48v , 16cells battery pack. if i need to go for a high speed run, i will add more cells of lipos. i think this controller can do with 100v, I think i stay at a safe level, is 90volts. having a controller that can take in 48v ~ 90v, and with 3 speed mode, i think it help to give me more range. I agree with mr.leo to have no regen. I don't have much hills , mostly flat road. i think this controller is a non sensorless type. This is also okay for me, i have plenty of hall sensor , so far till today after years or thousands km, my hall sensor is working. changing a hall sensor isn't difficult.

Yes, the 18fet is the only controller they sell that does not do sensorless as well. all of their 100v controllers including the 4410 controllers work with 24s lipo forever.

 

[ian.mich]

Recently received my Greentime Controller 72v 1500w 45A without any pinout diagram or instructions on how to use each feature. Just want to ensure each connection is correctly identified and may help others with the same controller
A battery indicator this connects to the high level brake to engage it?
B high level brake
C LVC switch change from 63v to 42v
D Key switch, this must be shorted for controller to work
E Cruise, short to use
F 3 speed short to move to next speed
G hall sensor pins
H throttle
I ? 6pin connector red blue black white yellow green (what is it? how to use?)
J power battery + -
k phase power leads
View attachment 1

As people let me know I will update the information so all can use as reference.

Edit I asked Leo for a pinout but received the 48v 1000w which has some major differences from the 72v 1500w that I have.

I know all of those are correct except C, never seen it before. connector I is likely CA tap but i dont know.

 

[PeeHell]

A little off topic but has anyone of you successfully got regen working at 24s lipo ? Besides having lvc high enough, I don't know what to do. It doesn't seem to work as infineon based controller for regen...

 

[kentlim26]

I know the C, is very very highly is the 60degree/ 120degree switch. if is default i think is 120 degree , unplug that one will be 60degree. I don't want that to be in my controller, so it comes no have the Orange connector. I want as few wires as possible. it okay for no regen, my distance riding is around 20km mostly flat ground. this 18fet 60amps controller I love it the most intelligent gem.. if i like 48v, oh. ya... FULL throttle it works and NO cut off. compare My huatong 60v controller will have to run 48v and MUST plus 2 more lipos cells. im a person like to add or less alot of cells for my ride. some times 16cells ~ 24cells. This is the controller i have been waiting for a very long time,finally it has came.

 

[ian.mich]

A little off topic but has anyone of you successfully got regen working at 24s lipo ? Besides having lvc high enough, I don't know what to do. It doesn't seem to work as infineon based controller for regen...

regen does not work for high voltages no matter the LVC. regen works great at 20S with 60v lvc.

 

[Suppressivefire]

Hey guys, hoping on some thoughts/input on what I'm trying to do kent has been helping me a lot but I figured I post up.
I have a yescomusa 48v1000w with stock controller, I'm looking at getting the greentime bit a little unsure what to get or special customizations I would need. I currently run 12s 2 6s turnigy 5000mah but looking for more power. Is it possible to have it where I can switch between 12s,18s, maybe 24s I know from reading some of the features won't work at higher voltage, also would like all the bells and whistles regen, regen braking, not too sure how the 3speed works I just have a thumb stock throttle would I need a new one? Cruise control etc.
Thanks for the input!
Chris

 

[ian.mich]

Hey guys, hoping on some thoughts/input on what I'm trying to do kent has been helping me a lot but I figured I post up.
I have a yescomusa 48v1000w with stock controller, I'm looking at getting the greentime bit a little unsure what to get or special customizations I would need. I currently run 12s 2 6s turnigy 5000mah but looking for more power. Is it possible to have it where I can switch between 12s,18s, maybe 24s I know from reading some of the features won't work at higher voltage, also would like all the bells and whistles regen, regen braking, not too sure how the 3speed works I just have a thumb stock throttle would I need a new one? Cruise control etc.
Thanks for the input!
Chris

Forget about regen unless you want to install Doc's TAs. cruise control and 3 speed are fairly unnecessary on a bicycle. Set the lvc for 36v and just cgange around the voltage as much as you want. no need for a new throttle, just the usual red green and black wires. For your kit i recommend a 12fet 4110 with 40a output at most, a 36v lvc, regen, cruise, reverse, 3 speed switch (just for the sake of having the features, costs nothing). you should really go up to 10ah at least and do 50a

 

[Suppressivefire]

Thanks for the reply so 36 lvc will be ok for 48v but as I go higher I will just have to monitor the voltage so they don't discharge too much? I have 4 6s packs now for 12s2p but I'm Deffinatly planning on higher amp hours. But for now it's just around the block with 2 packs till I make a better battery mount setup.

Edit what it the docs TA mod?

 

[Suppressivefire]

Also if its more of a problem I don't have to run 12s I just thought it would be cool if I still could who know if I would ever go back lol.

 

[ian.mich]

Thanks for the reply so 36 lvc will be ok for 48v but as I go higher I will just have to monitor the voltage so they don't discharge too much? I have 4 6s packs now for 12s2p but I'm Deffinatly planning on higher amp hours. But for now it's just around the block with 2 packs till I make a better battery mount setup.

Edit what it the docs TA mod?

yes, i found a good waterproof 120v max voltage panel and strapped it ontop of the bulk charge port. lvc doesnt matter sine you're not using regen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yodPBUW-baw great TAs but putting them on is tough. have to sand around the dropout and then epoxy them on with some super strong epoxy and do it perfectly. doc himself uses them for 10kw and regen.

 

[Suppressivefire]

Oh ok I didn't know you meant torque arms I'm all set with that I'm cncing up my own to replace the 10mm wrench torque arms, I plan on doing regen, I guess the only thing I don't get is the amps and how much you would need. Is it a matter of how many batts in parallel? Because you were saying if I go 10ah I should go 50amps

So 36lvc 100hvc and 40amp will it hurt going higher amps to compensate.
Thanks for the help Ian!
-Chris

 

[John in CR]

The HVC for regen is determined by the LVC setting, so no you want to decide on a voltage and order your controller with that pack in mind, since the voltage for regen cutoff is fixed and the spread between LVC and HVC isn't great enough to cover multiple voltages. After the fact you can only change LVC via a resistor mod, not terribly difficult but it does require opening the controller.

John

 

[ian.mich]

The HVC for regen is determined by the LVC setting, so no you want to decide on a voltage and order your controller with that pack in mind, since the voltage for regen cutoff is fixed and the spread between LVC and HVC isn't great enough to cover multiple voltages. After the fact you can only change LVC via a resistor mod, not terribly difficult but it does require opening the controller.

John

unless you did some clever wiring, they do leave a few extra gaps for wires coming out of the controller, potentiometer maybe?

 

[ian.mich]

Oh ok I didn't know you meant torque arms I'm all set with that I'm cncing up my own to replace the 10mm wrench torque arms, I plan on doing regen, I guess the only thing I don't get is the amps and how much you would need. Is it a matter of how many batts in parallel? Because you were saying if I go 10ah I should go 50amps

So 36lvc 100hvc and 40amp will it hurt going higher amps to compensate.
Thanks for the help Ian!
-Chris

it's a matter of C-rate, running 50A on a 5ah pack means a 10C discharge, a bit too high especially if you bulk charge. to save the trouble i would upgrade to 10ah, run 50A for a 5C discharge.
I would choose a high voltage now, and stick with it, and choose the appropriate LVC, or do some clever wiring. 20S is safe but in my experience all of their 100v controllers can do 24S and never break, just gets less effecient.

 

[John in CR]

The HVC for regen is determined by the LVC setting, so no you want to decide on a voltage and order your controller with that pack in mind, since the voltage for regen cutoff is fixed and the spread between LVC and HVC isn't great enough to cover multiple voltages. After the fact you can only change LVC via a resistor mod, not terribly difficult but it does require opening the controller.

John

unless you did some clever wiring, they do leave a few extra gaps for wires coming out of the controller, potentiometer maybe?

On my 24 Fet models, the resistor that needs modding is right at the back end of the board. If my cleverness works out, then if I need to change it again, I'll just pop the rear end cover off and adjust the pot.

The other bit of hopefully clever modding I'm doing will give me switchable current limits. If it works well I think it can also give me variable regen if I want it. Dual controllers will already give me 3 force regen, so variable isn't too high on the priority list. Switchable current limits is something we should have had as an option long ago. I can't believe it's taking someone with as little electronics know-how and even less soldering skills to do it. I guess it's because other than LFP, who has expensive controllers and doesn't need these options, the other guru's don't run enough power to appreciate the need for switchable current limits. eg If you have a high power bike and get caught out in slippery conditions, you really need to be able to tone it down, and speed switching doesn't do the same thing. No way I can hand one of my extreme power ebikes to a noob to try even with a 50% speed setting, but I'll have no problem letting them try one on low current at 100A. If they do ok, then I'll let them try normal at 200A, but only a select few would get to experience turbo mode except as observers on a motorcycle or in a car seeing only my ass end while eating my plasma trail.

If they work, then I'll be sure to share how to do it here. I've also talked to Leo about including them as custom controller options, and he likes the idea. Variable LVC and current limits will be great options in lieu of programmability. I specially ordered these controllers with low programmed current, so I have a good low starting point for the low setting. Trying to go lower than the program limit is a bit more complex than going higher.

John

 

[Suppressivefire]

Ok I'm just going to have it set for 18s 10-20ah maybe more I already have 4 6s packs ill just need to grab some more, what kind of specs should I go for 63lvc hvc 75? Anything else I should plan for ? Thanks again for all your help I'm slowing learning a lot about ebikes hopefully I can master it in no time! I'm just rusty with the electronic side lol.
-Chris

 

[ian.mich]

Ok I'm just going to have it set for 18s 10-20ah maybe more I already have 4 6s packs ill just need to grab some more, what kind of specs should I go for 63lvc hvc 75? Anything else I should plan for ? Thanks again for all your help I'm slowing learning a lot about ebikes hopefully I can master it in no time! I'm just rusty with the electronic side lol.
-Chris

Have him set it for a 3v or 3.2v per cell lvc. not much else other than that. Just ask him for a 12fet 4110 controller with an lvc of XXv, current limit of 50a, regen, cruise control, 3 speed switch.

 

[Suppressivefire]

Thanks Ian!

 

[kentlim26]

My greentime 18fets 4110, 48v ~ 100v controller 60amps controller, in Truth and actual facts this controller OUTPUT the amps will never hit more then 50amps. Please no more guess figures about their real actual amps output, Just buy two watt up meter from Hobbyking and test them. You will be quite surprise by the facts they are lesser. I Hope you try to order two watts up meter and find the surprising Less output by this green time controller have said 60amps, facts is below 50amps. Luckily I still can live it happily !

for a example, at 19cells/ 78.93v total i saw My Both watt up meter the top speed is 72.3km/h have reached 3401Wp + the truth is only 45amps.
at 14cells, a total volts of 58.01v = top speed is 55.5km/h / watts peak is 2370, / amp peak is only 44amps. however it never clock 60amps output I can always live happily with 45amps.

 

[ian.mich]

My greentime 18fets 4110, 48v ~ 100v controller 60amps controller, in Truth and actual facts this controller OUTPUT the amps will never hit more then 50amps. Please no more guess figures about their real actual amps output, Just buy two watt up meter from Hobbyking and test them. You will be quite surprise by the facts they are lesser. I Hope you try to order two watts up meter and find the surprising Less output by this green time controller have said 60amps, facts is below 50amps. Luckily I still can live it happily !

for a example, at 19cells/ 78.93v total i saw My Both watt up meter the top speed is 72.3km/h have reached 3401Wp + the truth is only 45amps.
at 14cells, a total volts of 58.01v = top speed is 55.5km/h / watts peak is 2370, / amp peak is only 44amps. however it never clock 60amps output I can always live happily with 45amps.

what about during startup? 60a is peak. i'm pretty sure when i take off at 100V on that controller that im hitting the peak for the half second that i lunge back

 

[pff7]

Got the 60V 1000-1200W 45Amax BLDC motor controller 15FET 4410 controller to replace stock controller on yescom kit, didn't have any custom setup done with it, what is default settings?

 

[ian.mich]

Got the 60V 1000-1200W 45Amax BLDC motor controller 15FET 4410 controller to replace stock controller on yescom kit, didn't have any custom setup done with it, what is default settings?

what do you mean? lvc is 52.5v, max amps are 45, max volts are 100. solder some nice connectors on and start testing.

 

[kentlim26]

I have bought is a 18fets 4110 , 60amps, I have ask LEO to set up is 60amps controller. I Bought this is what they have advertise as 60amps 18fets 4110 controller. BUT I have never seen it has passed 50amps. Most of the controllers are above 42 amps and above. later I will do more testing, etc.

To find Out the truth and real actual ampers Out from the controller. One must own a two wattup meter or Just One a CA. And you test it how much current has run. then I will dare to say "Oh, Yes. Indeed this controller does really output as what they have advertise 18fets 4110 60amps is Indeed I saw it gives 60amps. giving a lower amps 45amps is okay for 20c lipos turnigy. To find out a truth " One watt up meter will load to 10cells and the other 9cells or 10 cells will load to the other watt up meter from HOBBYKing = this will give you real numbers.

so ian.mich do you have a CA ? or something to show/ prove your controller did give above 60amps ? don't see the speed, you have any photos on your wattup meter to detect they are up to task ? how do you tell this " 60amps 18fets 4110" gives is more then 60amps ? if you don't have a watts up meter or a CA, you have been tricked into believing this as what they say as it is .

 

[kentlim26]

There are many guys do not own a CA, and there are many guys do not have two watt up meter . Im one of the guy do not own a CA, But I did try to buy another wattup meter from hobby king. Each watt up meter from Hobbyking cost USD23.+ x 2 = USD46 exclude shipping cost. I think methods is right about it when he talk about his controller he saw is only a 50amps output, he has CA to show. when I have One watt up meter, I never tell anyone " oh this thing gives more then 60amps output it will be very embarrassed if it gives only 42amps. One watt up meter can accept only up to 60volts or say max 14cells. 14cells = 58v+ .


im quite okay with this 45amps true output from a 18fets 4110, 60amps ... sorry. it should be call a 18fets 4110 , 50amps controller, greentime.

is not bad after all, 14cells a top speed fastly reached 55.5km/h !, and a 19cells it reached 72.3km/h which is not bad. my goal top speed to reached is 60km/h .
enjoy.