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Ebike92119

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Hello,
I’d like to install a bright LED light bar on my ebike as a headlight, but most of the light bars are designed for trucks,12v. My ebike is 58v, I’d some how have to step down voltage, but DC voltage can not be stepped down. Is it possible to run lights designed for a car on an ebike?
Thanks for your opinions.
 
Ebike92119 said:
I’d some how have to step down voltage, but DC voltage can not be stepped down.
Bad assumption. It's even stepped down with your existing setup. The controller has buck converters to step down DC to 5V, etc. You need a 60VDC to 12VDC buck converter, sized to the wattage or current neeeded to drive the LED light bar.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313&_nkw=60vdc+to+12vdc+buck&_sacat=0
probably something around $5-$10 should do it.
I like using smaller ones that are just enough for the light, rather than big ones for everything, so on my lights, that are way to bright already, I used a $2 converter.
 
Ebike92119 said:
Hello,
I’d like to install a bright LED light bar on my ebike as a headlight, but most of the light bars are designed for trucks,12v. My ebike is 58v, I’d some how have to step down voltage, but DC voltage can not be stepped down. Is it possible to run lights designed for a car on an ebike?
Thanks for your opinions.

DC voltage can certainly be bucked down. Stepped down. You can use a common AC 120v-12vDC computer laptop power supply and just apply DC to it. It will take your DC ebike voltage and kick out 12v. Or a wall wort type that is made to put out 12v.

If you need alot of power ( 250w?) you can get one of these. Cheap, china made, and the get hot under full load ( need airflow to case) ... I have installed a few in customers bikes who want big-bright-crazy light bars on the bike.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/223130887152?hash=item33f3a323f0:g:ZpcAAOSw5Dlfwtn4&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA8BdO79eOUkAOpeu5qKSrxlv%2FD8vE%2FSZCQ87lqNZlBkc3aHZHLnO7PiMvuwHwbbIhc6okX3odlMqnHDQtgO5TIQ3G3v1KleNdutlyVJ2WGgJqs%2BsQsmoCnGTCA%2Fu5fXMSteVQarK1drtD9yLhOl8XvfBxkZNrn6vnCmWkONlQnILsCjA%2FYpZcff%2FcB2GmkicdtRnPRWdprDmc0Yg%2BpoF1vK7Thx455tTptOci4hR441T%2BbNaqVwYJ7k%2FEn5eR1ojwsSNC8ThnW%2BCPdV34ppjXIin2JufHeno0rbE%2Bl59xSeFEr20k42AuLTA7iPVGKnOrjQ%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMvObn37Jg

I use this, 25w, small AC 100v-240v AC to 12v DC converter and just run DC through it. It works fine. Sure it is designed for AC but it converts ( stepps down ) DC just fine. It is a semiconductor device, no moving parts. My light draws 7 watts.

Spec from the .pdf:

Input
Input Voltage • 85-264 VAC (120-370 VDC)
Input Frequency • 47-63 Hz
Input Current • ECL05: 0.1 A rms, ECL10: 0.2 A rms

Output
Output Voltage • See tables


https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/xp-power/ECL25US12-S/4487574?utm_adgroup=AC%20DC%20Converters&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Shopping_Product_Power%20Supplies%20-%20External%2FInternal%20%28Off-Board%29_NEW&utm_term=&utm_content=AC%20DC%20Converters&gclid=CjwKCAjwwdWVBhA4EiwAjcYJECVO05OL0vVLq55eP7RLe4WCdH_eznOVd2Pz7FkOs-VzIJFXOAF3XxoCQsAQAvD_BwE
 

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What I ended up doing for mine, is I found some 60v rated LED lights and ran them at full battery voltage


They're a little over-confident in their lumen rating. But regardless, they're still plenty bright. If I were to eyeball them, I'd place it around ~3k lumens for the pair. Can get power draw measurements if needed.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07SSS7Y98
 
SnowDrifter said:
What I ended up doing for mine, is I found some 60v rated LED lights and ran them at full battery voltage


They're a little over-confident in their lumen rating. But regardless, they're still plenty bright. If I were to eyeball them, I'd place it around ~3k lumens for the pair. Can get power draw measurements if needed.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07SSS7Y98

I second this. There are a few motorcycle/off road LED lights available that can handle 6-84V. The last one I purchased was about the size of a tennis ball, had about 20 Cree XML and was extremely bright. Almost too bright since it wasn't exactly the most focused beam and I worried about blinding on coming traffic (more worried I'd blind an oncoming cop cruiser). But anyways, there are LED options that can handle high voltage and perform much better than most of what you'll find for a car that only uses 12V.
 
Ebike92119 said:
I’d like to install a bright LED light bar on my ebike as a headlight,
Keep in mind that the light bars you're probably looking at do not have anything to prevent the light from blinding others on the road that are facing you. I don't recommend using any of them for on-road use, or where others are likely to be in the light path from them, as they may be blinded by the light and then unable to see where they are going, and they may crash, or hit other people, etc.

If you want a bright light for use where anyone else might end up facing it, use only those that have "horizons" that mask or reflect the light that would go upward back down onto the ground--it makes them more effective and less of a hazard to other people.

There are motorcycle and ebike lights that have horizons and are pretty bright, that will run directly off your ebike battery (they have their own converters). I don't know which are good, but there have been threads about various brands. If I didn't already have my Kia headlight, I'd've gone with a motorcycle LED light.

But don't bother using a lamp assembly designed for incandescent bulbs with any of the LED replacements--they just won't work as intended, and you won't get the light pattern they were made for, or the brightness. Tried that. :/

but most of the light bars are designed for trucks,12v. My ebike is 58v, I’d some how have to step down voltage, but DC voltage can not be stepped down.
Yes, it can. You want a DC-DC converter, also called a buck converter, with an input range that includes the entire voltage range of your battery from full charge to empty, and an output voltage of 13.6v (13-15v will work), as that's the actual typical voltage of an automotive system (using only 12v will not make the lights as bright as they were designed to be.

Is your battery 58v fully charged? If so, what is it's empty voltage? You'll need a converter that works thru the whole range or your lights will shut off when the battery voltage is outside the range.

The converter must also be able to supply the full current that the lights you're running off of it take. So if you have a "50w" light, that runs at "12v", it takes approximately 5amps to do this. (50 / 12 = 4.something, then round up). If it's a higher wattage light, it'll take more amps.


Is it possible to run lights designed for a car on an ebike?

Yes. My SB Cruiser trike uses a number of them, including a headlight from some Kia I found in a parking lot after someone left pieces of their front end after a crash. Here's a post with some pics of my taillights (with brake and turn signals)
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=67833&p=1629240&hilit=cruiser+trike#p1612115
Elsewhere in the thread there are posts about the various other lights on the trike.

I use a separate battery for the purpose, so that my lights will work even if my motor/controller battery is empty or has failed. But I've also used DC-DC's off the traction battery and that works too.
 
Ebike92119 said:
Hello,
I’d like to install a bright LED light bar on my ebike as a headlight, but most of the light bars are designed for trucks,12v. My ebike is 58v, I’d some how have to step down voltage, but DC voltage can not be stepped down. Is it possible to run lights designed for a car on an ebike?
Thanks for your opinions.

You can easily add a DC-DC converter to step your voltage down, but be warned that they also consume power- by the time you've bought your light and converter, it might be just cheaper (and less complicated, since said converters also need heat sinks/proper ventilation and trimming with a multimeter) to buy a straight eBike light that works in your voltage range. Those truck lights you're talking about have other problems with beam distance too; they're meant to have spread, not depth and distance.

I'd say, make a quick excel spreadsheet comparing some lights that work in the ~60v range versus the cost and complexity of a converter, different light, wiring, and what else that converter allows you to do. Who knows, maybe that converter allows for a phone charger you've wanted to have?
 
Well, I connected the 12v light directly to my battery and the light popped. So, I ordered a dc-dc converter as suggested in the replies. Good info
 
Hello,
I have a DC converter that steps down my ebike battery voltage to 12v, but there is only one wire coming out of the converter. It’s a yellow wire and it reads 12v with a multimeter. The lights I want to hook up have a red and black wire. I tried connecting both red/black wires to the one yellow wire, but no luck. I tried red wire from lights to yellow 12v wire then having the black wire go to my bike frame, no luck. Im unsure how I can get the lights to work.
Thanks for help.
 
Black from light connects to battery ground ( -, black to negative pole of battery), red from light connects to yellow. Where you are reading the 12v from with the BLK and RED multimeter ( you said you saw 12v) leads.

For 90% of the cheap Chinese DC-DC converters out there, they all seem to follow the same pattern:

Red is (battery + ) power (in)
Yellow is 12V power (out)
Black is common ground (i.e. ground for both)
 
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B083TXGSGV

These are excellent and have that "wide not tall" throw which gives you great visibility without blinding folks. The high/low beam feature also allows you to have a bit longer vision as well if you feel like wiring that up. Draw is about 15w.
 
You can put whatever light you want on it, just keep an eye on how much power it uses so you dont deplete your battery unknowingly fast.
 
I exclusively use non-bike lights on my bike, I run a separate 12v power source (a 4 in-series pack of LiFePo4's) for the reasons mentioned above. I didn't want to have to deal with power conversion and the parasitic sapping of the pack which won't be measured in my Cycle Analyst. Plus, boat switches look great on a bike. :)

This is one of my favs, in a 30 degree throw: https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/led-light-pods/led-light-pod-2-modular-led-off-road-work-light-10w-900-lumens/1699/

Small, easy to wire up & mount.
 
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