How far for a 1000 w motor and 48v 20AH battery

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I'm a little disappointed with the range of my new, used bike. It goes about 30MPH, which is great, but I'm finding that I'm getting less than 20 miles on a charge riding it flat out like that. It's a 1000W motor and the battery is 48V 20 Amp H. (I don't know any more specifics about it) Is that reasonable range for that configuration and a 175 LB, hell-bent rider? How much of a difference would it make if I backed off the juice and went 18 or 20 MPH?
 
You may get CLOSE to double the range at 20mph believe it or not. That extra 10 mph is a real Amp eater.
 
I'm 70kg and used to get about 50km out of a 10ah pack.

My bike computer told me that I was averaging 28km/h including total stops for traffic lights, and regular long flat stick rides. (42kmh not pedaling or 45kmh with me pedaling) I also had a 1000w kit.

My good efficiency was probably from pedaling as well, but it sounds like either you have an inefficient build (would too fast) or a bad battery.
 
If you have a lot of stops and starts in your trip, then another thing that can improve your range is not accelerating at full throttle. ;)
 
Peddle first starts, don't be a fat ass. Plus I would leave on the charger for 24hr so the bms can balance the battery anf fill it up.
 
Your range riding hell bent is just about exactly right where I'd expect it to be. Very similar to what I've seen over years of riding a lot of different bikes.

But you can do lots better by slowing down. One thing that amazed me, was how much difference riding 18 mph vs 20 mph makes. But you should have 30 mile range just from slowing to about 25 mph. The stuff they talked about above helps as well. Pedaling continuously, once you slow to a speed where you can again, takes about 75-100 watts right off the top. So you can add 10-15% to your range right there. Then, having slowed down, you get better range.

If you have a ton of starts and stops, pedal hard getting going helps. A geared motor like a Mac will do better on stop and go than a DD hub motor too, in most cases.

The BEST way to learn to ride a lot more efficient, so you can stretch your range when you need to, is to have a power meter. Ideally, a really nice one like a Cycle analyst. But if your kit has a display with a simple power bars display, you can still learn to keep the bars off the max power level. With any kind of power being used display, you can then see the effect of pedaling, not pedaling, and how you use the throttle.

Then, you can correlate that to miles traveled. You'll then know, keep it on bar 3 instead of 5, I'll get 30 miles, or whatever. With the CA, even better. For me the magic number is 25 watt hours per mile. Hit that average over hills, even mountains, and I know my range will be as good as it gets without riding excessively slow.
 
I use a ScanGauge in my Toyota Yaris, it plugs directly into the car computer and gives real time data as you drive. Slowing down always helps anything get better efficiency, the drag quadruples as the speed doubles, it takes a LOT more power to go a LITTLE faster. Same with the small airplane I fly, I get a huge increase in range and duration by backing off the throttle a bit, I'll often beat someone flying faster as I'll go non stop and they have to land and get more fuel! Now that I got my initial speed rush out of the way (33 mph top speed) I tend to be happy with 18-20 mph.

20 miles at 30 per sounds pretty good to me, without doing any math,it will be super easy to see the range increase with even a minor slow down. It's like turning down your water heater temp or insulating your house better, boringly unsexy and untechie, but slowing down gives immediate and reliable resluts everytime it's tried.
 
Took me a few years of commuting to get over the desire to ride 30 mph. I still build 30 mph bikes, but mostly tend to ride closer to 18-20 mph.

I found riding slower relaxing, energizing. But riding 30, I just scanned constantly for the next car about to kill me by turning right, and the next pile of sharp junk in the road trying to flat my tires. Riding 20 mph, I have time to look around relax and enjoy the ride, lots better ability to survive a right cross too. More time to react and swerve to my left and go around the car.

But nice to have a fast bike, if you need to ride on a fast street. Then you gotta go fast and sort of keep up. Avoid streets like that, but you can be forced on them for a time by bridges and highway underpasses with no bike lane.
 
HOLY COW! I tried the advice given above of slowing down and was amazed at the results. Went 18 to 20 MPH on the Santa Ana River Trail, SART, in Orange County this morning and got some great range. 43 miles and still a little bit of juice left in the battery. So reasonable speeds will take my bike probably 45 or 50 miles. :D

It's funny; cut the speed by 30% and get a 300% gain in range.

Thanks so much everyone for the advice and the patience with me asking old questions.
 
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