Hub Motor Reliability Question

3wheels1life

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Hi everyone,

Do you have any real world experience with the reliability of hub motors?
How many miles can I reasonably expect to get out of a Goldenmotor dot com MagicPie or any of the chinese geared brushless hub motors?
Any other recommendations for usage/brands/etc.?
I'm planning to use it daily for touring.

Thanks in advance.

-3wheels1life
 
That all depends on which motor. There are 2 main types: Geared and direct drive. And they both can last a long time.

The geared motors have an internal clutch and several gears. Most of the ones available now are fairly robust, but they can be damaged by agressive riding. their life span is limited by wear parts, but that might still be many many years, or even decades under normal riding conditions. I don't know of anyone who's worn one out yet, I don't think they have exsisted long enough for someone to find there upper end of milage yet.

Direct drive have only one moving part + the 2 bearings. They are very hard to kill even when ruthlessly abused and pushed way beyound there design limits. bearings can last many many decades as long as they are kept clean and greased, and spin for many hundreds of thousands of hours. And when the bearing fails, its effectivly a service part, so replace, and continue on.

The only other major reliability factor comes from manufacturer's defects. Lets face it, Hub motors aren't built like swiss watches. Defects do show up from time to time. Most show up early, and most problems can be corrected.

As for my personal experiance, My oldest and first motor I bought back in 2007. Its been used in a couple bikes now. The first bike's frame wore out. it got stress cracks and flexed too much after a hard abusive life. I put the motor into a stronger frame and has been running hard ever since. It's a little 500 watt motor pushed over 3000 watts reguraly. really, I have no idea how many miiles are on it. I know it crossed 10,000 a while ago, but I've not kept track. It runs as strong now as it did new.
 
It is only as reliable as you make it.

If you keep the power input low, then it will last you forever. Push it over the limit and it will crap out fast.

I have both gear and direct drive motor and both needed few maintenance even after 5000 miles on each. But I am also watchful of how much I ask it to do.
 
My friend here on Maui, Hawaii uses GM DD (MP2 and 3's) hub motors in his rental fleet (w/dual torque arms!). They are reliable with only 3 moving parts and an internal controller built in which I believe is 20-25 amps max, they generally will not over load the motor. Plus they are quite powerful. He has been doing this for a few years now and he swears by them. You might want to switch out the phase wires over time.
 
Thank you everyone for replying. Where can I get a good quality brushless geared 24v 250w hub motor that will last for years for a low price (under $200-250 incl. shipping)? Also, are most bike shops in the US (in your experience) willing to spoke a hub motor to a rim?

Thanks so much.

-3wheels1life
 
There is a sticky thread in this forum with recommended vendors... take a look.

http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6992

That said, it will be difficult to meet your price. You'll need a battery too.
 
I don't have any direct experience with GM motors, but a DD hubbie boils down to 2 things in terms of reliability.... keeping current low enough to avoid heat stress...and 2. Bearing life.

Avoiding heat stress depends on your load and the roads you ride, especially hills.

If you're using your ebike for touring it's a good idea to replace the bearings and install good quality bearings. Bearings are the only item subject to wear in any DD hubmotor, and quite a few companies really skimp on the quality. eg I picked up a brand new 9C, and both bearings were an absolute joke. They clearly had a strong "tick" in the rotation when I took each cover and spun it up on my finger.

With good bearings and keeping current levels within limits, a direct drive hubmotor can literally last a lifetime. If you really abuse it while riding, then sure after a few years the bearings may need changing, but as long as you don't overheat it by sending too high current through the stator then there's nothing that can go wrong, and brand is irrelevant. In fact brands which have higher prices for a similar power motor have generally proven to be lower quality that those with lower prices.

John
 
The way I ride, in the hot climate I live in, I could kill a small gearmotor very quickly. But if you ride sensibly, no reason you can't get 5000 miles or more from gearmotors. More than that from dd motors.

Oddly, I've never had much bearing problems. One motor had one bad bearing. Out of a dozen or so motors that passed though my hands. That one motor was badly overheated, and may have caused that failure.

Rim and spoke problems are common. With me doing the wheel maintenance, I've not had problems that did not involve a crash. Just routine need to true a motor wheel. You have to true a motor wheel more often.

Most bike shops will tell you to get lost when you bring in a motor. But some are out there. Holmes Hobby is the guy in the USA to send a wheel to, for an expensive top quality wheel build.

The price you want won't be found inside the USA, except on the used market. But in the $300-400 range, many choices are out there, often shipped from china to a usa address.
 
What, you have a browser with no search engine?

http://holmeshobbies.com/
 
BTW, if you do build that 60 mph bike, you can fry a typical dd hubmotor in about 10 miles with that much wattage.

I just realized who this thread was from. I've not been able to fry dd hubmotors street riding at stock wattage though.
 
Thanks dogman.

This thread is for a different ebike (not the 60mph one, a cheaper and safer 24v 250w one). I appreciate your advice.

-3wheels1life
 
Hi Everyone,

Is this motor any good? It's only $110
http://www.ebay.com/itm/36V-350W-Brushless-Hub-Rear-Wheel-Motor-Electric-Bike-EBike-Bicycle-Conversion-/360667761614

Thank you.
 
Not familiar with that one myself. Looks like a little gearmotor, but it says gearless. Well, it should be cheap, no rim, no freewheel. With those, it could retail closer to $200.
 
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