I will be voting for Bernie Sanders

[Dauntless]

The sleeping, er, SLEEPER awakes. If you type with BOTH hands instead of the one finger, you can type all that in less than an hour rather than almost a month.

I cannot help but think that you are projecting your own shortcomings onto mmmmmmmm. . . . .

Hey, YOU are the one who projected those ridiculous links.

A reasonable person wouldn't insizzzzzz. . . I watched a portion of it on Live TV and could ciiii. . .

You seem awfully defensive of Gore considering that I was making fun of a demographic of his critics with that comment, moreso than Gore himself.

Um, no, I seen tired of people treating old 'Saturday Night Live' gags as though they were real life. The guy who said "I INVENTED the internet" was PLAYING Al Gore in a sketch, as was Tina Fey saying that Sara Palin could see Russia from her porch. But such is the in depth knowledge people MUST display. . . .

You also seem hostile.

Um, no, but I can see where you'd encounter a lot of irritation and come to expect it. Act bad, get treated bad. Wake me when that even more confusing part is over. . . .

In truth, Hillary and Donald have their Hitler-like qualities too. Examples: One of Trump's former wives has stated that for a time he kept a copy of Hitler's speeches next to his bed and was inspired by them. Hillary wants to force a backdoor form of gun registration.

What a fine example of an ad-hominem and a non-sequitur on my part. How cute. :lol:

Is THAT how you meant to construct that? If so, at least it makes more sense.

You didn't say if you were going to go help Bernie's people go beat people up at the convention.

 

[The Toecutter]

The sleeping, er, SLEEPER awakes. If you type with BOTH hands instead of the one finger, you can type all that in less than an hour rather than almost a month.

I had a limited amount of vacation time, a set of family members that are dying(or close to it), and a very limited amount of time to work on an electric car project that I rarely get to touch. I had better things to do at the time.

If that is the argument with which you have to address me, I must say, I am quite disappointed.

Hey, YOU are the one who projected those ridiculous links.

What is so ridiculous about them in your opinion?

Um, no, I seen tired of people treating old 'Saturday Night Live' gags as though they were real life. The guy who said "I INVENTED the internet" was PLAYING Al Gore in a sketch, as was Tina Fey saying that Sara Palin could see Russia from her porch. But such is the in depth knowledge people MUST display. . . .

To set the record straight, I never believed Al Gore said that he invented the internet. If you had understood my previous posts, you would realize that my comment was a snide remark towards the very people who claimed Al Gore said such, as opposed to an endorsement of that meme itself.

Um, no, but I can see where you'd encounter a lot of irritation and come to expect it. Act bad, get treated bad. Wake me when that even more confusing part is over. . . .

The irritation I have encountered thus far is of the near constant use of logical fallacy and non-arguments on your part in response to my(and a few others) posts. If you have something to say, then just say it, but do be prepared to back it up when disagreement arises...

Is THAT how you meant to construct that? If so, at least it makes more sense.

What a way to mix my words up to make them say something different than they actually did. Is that the best that you can do? I would hope not.

You didn't say if you were going to go help Bernie's people go beat people up at the convention.

Given that I have no investment in the Sanders campaign whatsoever, or the democratic nomination, why do you even make such a statement?

It makes me consider the possibility that perhaps you have an agenda or sorts, whatever it may be.

You got awful riled up over my comments. I found the whole exercise mildly amusing, but scarcely worth my time.

 

[Dauntless]

Dang, what's this early response? I figure I still have weeks to go for it but I have this Bernie post and bang, you snuck this in.

I had a limited amount of vacation time, a set of family members that are dying(or close to it), and a very limited amount of time to work on an electric car project that I rarely get to touch. I had better things to do at the time.

If that is the argument with which you have to address me, I must say, I am quite disappointed.

Is that the excuse for this weak response? Perhaps I should just point you in the direction of Denis Diderot. (DID e' rot? I can't really say, Guvnor.)

Just a quick taste of you know here.

Now THAT is what he wanted to be known for. Imagine his disappointment when:

So the guy was off drinking, and he got in an argument. Budding philosopher that he was, he just wanted to shoot his mouth off, shoot his mouth off, shoot his mouth off. Then his mouth failed him. Unimpressed at the emotional diversions Denny was casting about, the other guy got to the point. The Den was speechless. No entrail strangling pith statement to save the day. He departed, he tried not to fall down the stairs, he hit bottom. Literally, the stairs end sometime, right? And THAT is when the semilegendary Denis Diderot FINALLY came up with what he thought might have been the wicked retort that could have faced him at least some of the face he had lost. Like you, he had waited too long. And he summed up the plight the two of you share.

So what sets Diderot to the ages for his inability to respond in time apart from your own lost to the masses moment? Why, his ability to understand, of course. Was he dying to stumble back up those stairs in order to, George Costanza-like, SOMEHOW force his belated insight into the conversation and have it treated as though it was rapier wit? You KNOW he was. Did he do it? Nope. He knew better

. . . .Overwhelmed by the argument leveled against him, becomes confused and can only think clearly again when he reaches the bottom of the stairs.

l'esprit d'escalier - 'The Spirit of the Stairs'

Oh, but before you defend your effort with the 'Fake it until you make it' rationale, keep in mind that the originator of that expression disavows it, says it didn't come out the way she meant it and that it is counter to her own work and efforts to gain Diderotesqe fame. Even though it's a part of what made her Ted speech the second most watched of all time. At least so far.

Hey, YOU are the one who projected those ridiculous links.

What is so ridiculous about them in your opinion?

Well, since you seem to already know the reason they're ridiculous and only want my opinion on top of that, I'd say the sheer projection of them was ridiculous. The weakness, etc.

Um, no, but I can see where you'd encounter a lot of irritation and come to expect it. Act bad, get treated bad. Wake me when that even more confusing part is over. . . .

The irritation I have encountered thus farrrrrrrr. . .zzzzzzzzzzz. . . .

. . . . (SNORK!) Dang, don't DO that so soon after the 4th of July when I have two all night barrages of fireworks and little sleep.

You didn't say if you were going to go help Bernie's people go beat people up at the convention.

. . . .why do you even make such a statement?

So I can ask if you're going to go help Bernie's people go beat people up at the convention.

It makes me consider the possibility that perhaps you have an agenda or sorts, whatever it may be.

Uuuhhhh, yeeeeaaaaah, an 'Agenda' of asking if you're going to go help with the beatings for Bernie and getting you to talk a little more on topic

You got awful riled up over my comments.

Ummm, no. I suppose you expect people to be 'Riled up' when they roll up a newspaper because of the buzzing fly.

I found the whole exercise mildly amusing, but scarcely worth my time.

A month at a time, in your case.

I'll put the Bernie article in another post. You get this one to yourself.

 

[Dauntless]

http://www.aol.com/article/2016/07/05/bernie-sanders-supporters-are-outraged-over-the-fbis-decision-o/21424676/

You gotta read the article if you want to see what they're saying. But they're definitely saying it.

Bernie Sanders supporters are outraged over the FBI's decision on Hillary Clinton's emails

Bernie Sanders may be keeping silent on Hillary Clinton's email scandal, but his supporters certainly aren't.

FBI Director James Comey announced on Tuesday that the agency would not recommend criminal charges against Clinton for her use of a private email server as Secretary of State.
Comey's announcement immediately provoked the fury of Sanders supporters on Twitter:
CNN compiled tweets from some of Sanders' most vocal supporters, including some famous figures:

A representative for the Sanders campaign reportedly said Sanders will not suspend his campaign in the wake of Comey's announcement.

As of Tuesday evening, the Vermont senator did not personally address the FBI's announcement.

 

[Chalo]

I think it's funny the degree to which corporate news outlets are telling Bernie to sit down, and his supporters to shut up and get behind Hillary.

As if you'd switch allegiance from your friend to your sworn enemy and persecutor, just because they were both seeking the same nomination. I hope nobody is suckered into actually doing it.

 

[The Toecutter]

Is that the excuse for this weak response? Perhaps I should just point you in the direction of Denis Diderot. (DID e' rot? I can't really say, Guvnor.)

Just a quick taste of you know here.

Now THAT is what he wanted to be known for. Imagine his disappointment when:

So the guy was off drinking, and he got in an argument. Budding philosopher that he was, he just wanted to shoot his mouth off, shoot his mouth off, shoot his mouth off. Then his mouth failed him. Unimpressed at the emotional diversions Denny was casting about, the other guy got to the point. The Den was speechless. No entrail strangling pith statement to save the day. He departed, he tried not to fall down the stairs, he hit bottom. Literally, the stairs end sometime, right? And THAT is when the semilegendary Denis Diderot FINALLY came up with what he thought might have been the wicked retort that could have faced him at least some of the face he had lost. Like you, he had waited too long. And he summed up the plight the two of you share.

So what sets Diderot to the ages for his inability to respond in time apart from your own lost to the masses moment? Why, his ability to understand, of course. Was he dying to stumble back up those stairs in order to, George Costanza-like, SOMEHOW force his belated insight into the conversation and have it treated as though it was rapier wit? You KNOW he was. Did he do it? Nope. He knew better

. . . .Overwhelmed by the argument leveled against him, becomes confused and can only think clearly again when he reaches the bottom of the stairs.

l'esprit d'escalier - 'The Spirit of the Stairs'

Oh, but before you defend your effort with the 'Fake it until you make it' rationale, keep in mind that the originator of that expression disavows it, says it didn't come out the way she meant it and that it is counter to her own work and efforts to gain Diderotesqe fame. Even though it's a part of what made her Ted speech the second most watched of all time. At least so far.

So you decided to compare my response to an argument unuttered by a dead philosopher. In doing so, you failed to answer any of my questions or to rebut the content of my earlier statements with regard to the electoral process being rigged.

Well, since you seem to already know the reason they're ridiculous and only want my opinion on top of that, I'd say the sheer projection of them was ridiculous. The weakness, etc.

So if the content of a link or article conflicts with the Dauntless´ worldview then the Dauntless can dismiss the source as weak or ridiculous in effort to avoid addressing the argument presented? Got it.

So I can ask if you're going to go help Bernie's people go beat people up at the convention.

What a ridiculous question to ask to someone who has neither a desire for violence nor a willingless to commit it on behalf of another, especially not some old curmudgeonly Jew who happens to be a career politician. Just to reiterate, I am not a Sanders supporter.

Uuuhhhh, yeeeeaaaaah, an 'Agenda' of asking if you're going to go help with the beatings for Bernie and getting you to talk a little more on topic

What an interesting comment considering that you are the one who steered the discussion off course by resorting to repeated logical fallacy and poorly veiled insult as a response to a mere argument that the electoral process is rigged.

 

[The Toecutter]

The following link contains interesting information with regard to the California primary:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB3SWBDYung

The highlights include:

-deliberately uninformed and misinformed poll workers
-voter registrations and/or party preferences switched without the knowledge or permission of the voter
-41% of all votes cast uncounted by the time the winner is declared
-broken and malfunctioning voting machines
-voters inexplicability purged from rosters

...and all of these problems primarily served to the advantage of one candidate over the other on a consistent basis due to the affected demographics, exemplifying the U.S. descent to the status of a banana republic.

If any of Sanders´ supporters resort to violence, I will certainly not be surprised at the cause and effect relationship playing itself out.

 

[The Toecutter]

In the following link is an analysis conducted on the provisional, crossover, and mail-in ballots which didn´t make it into the initial reported count.

https://www.richardcharnin.wordpres...-votes-were-flipped-to-clinton-in-california/

In the votes counted since (s)election day, 52.3% of those voting democratic voted for the old curmudgeonly Jew and 47.7% for the Hilldabeast. In all 58 counties, the Jew's vote share of the late ballots exceeded his official (s)election day count.

Of course, these sorts of discrepancies are "normal" in U.S. (s)elections today and have been for quite some time. The American people are having Hitlery rammed down their throats. This (s)election, I wouldn't be surprised if Trumpolini was in the running to put on such a circus in effort throw her the keys to the white house. They are long-term friends after all...

 

[MattyCiii]

I'm going to Philly for day 1 of the convention. Arrive by train about 6pm Sunday, overnight at a friend's place, hang in town till midnight Monday.

I'm bringing a (folding) bike for mobility, but want to travel light so not my e-bike.

Should be a hell of a time.

#StillSanders

 

[The Toecutter]

Almost one year ago I heard theories bandied about that Sanders was a "sheepdog candidate" intended to herd an unrepresented left-leaning plurality of the eligable U.S. population to vote for the werebitch. The endorsement of the werebitch by Sanders only serves to lend this theory some modicum of credibility, especially considering all of the fraud and the werebitch's proven crimes and the fact that her favorability rating is perhaps the worst of any candidate in the history of this nation. Sanders´ claimed ideals would have been better served teaming up with Jill Stein, but then again, maybe it's for the best that the old curmudgeonly Jew didn't defile her platform with his acceptance of droning innocent people overseas or a willingness to persecute Edward Snowden for his service to humanity.

I will not be voting for Hitlery or Trumpolini. They should run together on the same ticket as the axis of evil, IMO. Hitlery is probably the more likely of the two to start WWIII.

BTW, for any wondering about me calling Sanders an old curmudgeonly Jew, he is what he is. I harbor no hatred of nor ill will towards Jews as an ethnicity. I was trolling for political correctness advocates and none here, if any at all are even present, were sufficiently baited to respond. :lol:

 

[markz]

BTW, for any wondering about me calling Sanders an old curmudgeonly Jew, he is what he is. I harbor no hatred of nor ill will towards Jews as an ethnicity. I was trolling for political correctness advocates and none here, if any at all are even present, were sufficiently baited to respond.

That is a good chuckle I had reading that. Still giggling about it.

So to the O.P. - If you are going to vote for Bernie as the thread topic states, then do you by default vote for "Hitlery" b/c the commie is promoting "Hitlery" now.

 

[The Toecutter]

The article below barely scratches the surface of electoral fraud and vote tampering in this country, but serves as a decent primer nonetheless, and is every bit as relevant to the 2016 (s)election as it is to previous (s)elections:

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/37486-the-shocking-truth-about-election-rigging-in-america

...

Cyber security experts and "white hat" hackers, who have gained access to the machines over the years, report that every component of these electronic voting systems are ridiculously vulnerable to fraud:

-Machines are not safeguarded and sit vulnerable for weeks leading up to an election
-The shoddy locks and keys on the machines are easily opened and replaced
-Machines can be breached without breaking official security seals
-The secret software can be rigged with malicious, self-deleting code to steal elections
-The rigged code will not be detected by standard security tests
-Vote-rigging viruses can be spread from one computer through an entire network
-The administrative passwords are often easily hacked or missing entirely
-One person can access voting systems and others can enter behind them
-Last minute "patches" to (supposedly) update software can harbor malicious code
-Wireless connections are insecure and aren't always evident
-Vulnerable hacking points include voter registration lists, any machines that are linked to the internet, any digital vote results that are transferred wirelessly to central tabulators, and all final vote tallies transferred to the websites of secretaries of states

Dozens of technical reports and studies, books, films and videos, articles, investigations and even congressional whistleblower testimony have exposed the depth of this crisis.

...

 

[The Toecutter]

Reading this case earlier today was interesting:

http://jampac.us/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/042517cw2.pdf

 

[Dauntless]

Time to start deciding if you're going to vote for Bernie in 2020. Another step in demonstrating his continued commitment to Soviet Union style by being one of the wealthy in government but howling about killing and eating the rich.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/10/politics/bernie-sanders-taxes-millionaire/index.html

 

[neptronix]

None of it really matters because the voting booth has no bearing on who is selected as president.

Anyone who believes otherwise is living in a fantasy world because otherwise, Hillary Clinton would currently be president if the popular vote had anything to do with who got elected.

But people are capable of withstanding amazing amounts of cognitive dissonance.

I'll be staying home this year too.

 

[Arlo1]

None of it really matters because the voting booth has no bearing on who is selected as president.

Anyone who believes otherwise is living in a fantasy world because otherwise, Hillary Clinton would currently be president if the popular vote had anything to do with who got elected.

But people are capable of withstanding amazing amounts of cognitive dissonance.

I'll be staying home this year too.

If you wanted Bernie then you should vote for Bernie.
There is not much you can do to change the system but when someone is good like Bernie is running I would vote for him even if I didn't believe in the system. At least then I could punch people in the face who say I have no excuse for not voting

 

[Dauntless]

At least then I could punch people in the face who say I have no excuse for not voting

The Bernie fans punch them for voting for someone else. Bernie, "Good." THAT is a good one right there. But just let the Electoral College finally work exactly as intended and listen to some people complain.

But why sit this election out? I got the feeling 2016 is nothing compared to what's coming this time. The Democrats have the chance throw their own billionaire at the problem, or maybe the naive loser who thinks he's unstoppable. (At least he'll be numb to any insults.)

Or maybe a shocker of someone who really DID collude with Russians. Wonder if Vladi is in the group. Caught on tape, offering them the U.S. for their very own. SINGING it to them, in fact. . . .

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[Arlo1]

All I ment by that is I have zero faith In the system and when I don't vote at all because all the options suck and the system is a complete fail people tell me I can't complain because I didn't vote.

 

[The Toecutter]

Time to start deciding if you're going to vote for Bernie in 2020.

I had no plans to vote for him last time(even though I briefly considered the possibility), and given his actions surrounding the rigged 2016 (s)election where a primary was stolen from him(we have proof thanks to Wikileaks, and plenty of corroborating evidence) and DID NOTHING to contest the fraud only to instead endorse the Butcher of Benghazi, my opinion of this candidate is even lower today than it was in 2016.

Still, of the Dems currently in the running, Sanders and Gabbard are the least objectionable of the lot. The so-called "Democratic" party is in every bit as sorry a state as the GOP and neither of the parties(if you can even call them two separate parties, as their policies aren't all that different) come close to representing the views of the American people, having been thoroughly purchased by special interests and various unelected deep state bureaucrats with a complicit media willing to constantly toe the company line instead of standing up for the truth.

That said, if the so-called "Democratic" party wants to secure another Trump victory, by all means they should push another far-right fascist candidate pretending to be a "centrist"(plenty of choices, such as Biden, Harris, Booker, ect), rig the primary again should the closest thing to an actual centrist running in the party gain widespread popular support(this candidate happens to be someone to the right of the Eisenhower Republicans pretending to be a "progressive" or "socialist", he's an old Jew and his last name starts and ends with an "S"), and then deride as "deplorables" any and all who object to having another set of authoritarian right-wing fascists forced as the only candidates to choose from.

Seems like the so-called "Democratic" party would rather have Trump in office again than for the establishment to lose power.

The American people may finally get sick enough of it all to get away from the TVs and the smartphones and take to the streets. Maybe...

 

[neptronix]

If you wanted Bernie then you should vote for Bernie.
There is not much you can do to change the system but when someone is good like Bernie is running I would vote for him even if I didn't believe in the system. At least then I could punch people in the face who say I have no excuse for not voting

I just don't see why you'd vote in a sham election, knowing it's a sham.
The only effect is that you signal to the powers that be that the media is still effective in controlling your mind.

If you read any set of federal documents about our elections, they actually admit that our elections are shams.

The only thing you can do to change our system is to stop feeding it your tax money and stop participating in these little psychological games they like to play.

 

[Arlo1]

If you wanted Bernie then you should vote for Bernie.
There is not much you can do to change the system but when someone is good like Bernie is running I would vote for him even if I didn't believe in the system. At least then I could punch people in the face who say I have no excuse for not voting

I just don't see why you'd vote in a sham election, knowing it's a sham.
The only effect is that you signal to the powers that be that the media is still effective in controlling your mind.

If you read any set of federal documents about our elections, they actually admit that our elections are shams.

The only thing you can do to change our system is to stop feeding it your tax money and stop participating in these little psychological games they like to play.

Yes stop feeding them your Tax dollars make sure you say that loud and clear

 

[Arlo1]

Btw NOT Voting doesn't show them a damn thing. It makes them happy because this way someone like trump or Hilary can get in.

 

[neptronix]

Btw NOT Voting doesn't show them a damn thing. It makes them happy because this way someone like trump or Hilary can get in.

Hillary or Trump get in either ways, because you also do not have the ability in this country to nominate a party's candidate.
( see also: what the leaders of the DNC did to Bernie, and what the leaders of the RNC did to Ron Paul )

I prefer to not send the signal that indicates i'm falling for this shit, and also, there are much better things to do with my time.

 

[wineboyrider]

Btw NOT Voting doesn't show them a damn thing. It makes them happy because this way someone like trump or Hilary can get in.

Hillary or Trump get in either ways, because you also do not have the ability in this country to nominate a party's candidate.
( see also: what the leaders of the DNC did to Bernie, and what the leaders of the RNC did to Ron Paul )

I prefer to not send the signal that indicates i'm falling for this shit, and also, there are much better things to do with my time.

+1 I am more concerned what my mayor and local government officials do. That's the only reason why I vote, but I also understand my actions matter more!

 

[neptronix]

+1 I am more concerned what my mayor and local government officials do. That's the only reason why I vote, but I also understand my actions matter more!

Yeah, that's the only reason i'd show up. Except that our state government has a variety of nasty tricks they do to skew the results. Lots of gerrymandering going on here. And also when voters pass something, Utah has rewritten the bill they've passed after the fact multiple times.

I'd rather vote with my feet or my dollar.. actions do matter a lot more than a show of intention.