ice sheet losses in Greenland and Antarctica reach new highs

[billvon]

Paul Ehrlich: 'Collapse of civilisation is a near certainty within decades'

In 1968 he said this:

"The battle to feed all of humanity is over. In the 1970s hundreds of millions of people will starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now. At this late date nothing can prevent a substantial increase in the world death rate."

So he doesn't have that great a track record.

 

[LockH]

^^ Hehe... So his timing can be a little off... "In 1968 he said this"... Think the worlds population has grown any since then? Or just wonder if human populations have grown any more "urban" since then... Whether vehicles for personal use have grown in size and complexity since then... I have no idea.

 

[LockH]

New Data Confirms Increasingly Frequent Extreme Weather Events:
https://cleantechnica.com/2018/03/23/new-data-confirms-increasingly-frequent-extreme-weather-events/

Starts:

New data published this week shows that man-made climate change has resulted in increasingly frequent extreme weather events such as excess rainfall leading to flooding, coastal flooding, heatwaves, and increased risks of wildfires.

According to a new study published this week by the European Academies’ Science Advisory Council (EASAC) titled Extreme weather events in Europe: Preparing for climate change adaptation: an update on EASAC’s 2013 study, new data shows that extreme weather events have become more frequent over the past 36 years. Specifically, the new figures show that there has been a significant increase in hydrological events as compared even with just five years ago.

STILL looking for a boat for living aboard again. :wink:

 

[billvon]

^^ Hehe... So his timing can be a little off... "In 1968 he said this"... Think the worlds population has grown any since then?

Yep. 3.5 to 7 billion; a 100% increase. Pretty safe to say that it wasn't that his timing was off; it's that his whole premise of "there's a hard limit of how many people you can feed due to X" is wrong.

 

[LockH]

Notice anything odd in this picture?

 

[fechter]

Notice anything odd in this picture?

Yes, there's a plume of black smoke coming up from near the beach. Otherwise, it looks pretty normal for that area.


And now this:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/parts-of-antarctica-melting-much-faster-than-previously-thought/

Glaciers are melting much faster than previously thought in Antarctica, contributing to rising sea levels that could swamp island nations and flood coastal communities.

The scientists at the University of California, Irvine, and NASA found melt rates of glaciers in the Amundsen Sea Embayment in West Antarctica have tripled during the last decade. They also found these glaciers were "hemorrhaging ice faster than any other part of Antarctica and are the most significant Antarctic contributors to sea level rise."

"The mass loss of these glaciers is increasing at an amazing rate," said Isabella Velicogna, jointly of UCI and NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, California. She co-authored a study on the results which will be published in Geophysical Research Letters, a journal of the American Geophysical Union.

 

[LockH]

^^ Hehe... [sigh] Have already added to list of "Stuff to Get" a pair of sponson floats for the recumbent trike...

(Prolly get more drink holders first tho...)

EDIT: PS... In the above pic from cleantechnica.com... betcha home insurance might be "pricey"... Can they even GET home insurance any more? (See link to Houses for Sale. Cheap!)

 

[LockH]

(Overheard in a Victoria, British Columbia, Canada coffee shop...) "Honey? Better sell that condo by the harbour now, before it's too late..."

Interactive map shows potential impact of rising water levels to Vancouver Island:
https://www.cheknews.ca/interactive...sing-water-levels-to-vancouver-island-385720/

An interactive map from Climate Central shows parts of Victoria’s harbour underwater by the year 2100. Photo courtesy climatecentral.org

So... 80 years to go. Bet it's "best case scenario"...

 

[billvon]

^^ Hehe... [sigh] Have already added to list of "Stuff to Get" a pair of sponson floats for the recumbent trike...

Get one of the Hobie kayaks with the Mirage (pedal) drive. It's basically a water recumbent.

 

[LockH]

^^ Hehe... [sigh] Have already added to list of "Stuff to Get" a pair of sponson floats for the recumbent trike...

Get one of the Hobie kayaks with the Mirage (pedal) drive. It's basically a water recumbent.

Hehe... Been there, done that. Started out riding an 18ft catamaran, graduated to a 20ft. Tornado cat... briefly an Olympic class, but found to be "too fast" or something... maybe a "cheater" boat... Folks riding bikes with an assist might relate.

Clearly "not safe". :lol:

 

[TheBeastie]

Every time there is a hot day in Australia it circles global warming doom but there are just so many super cold storms or even strings of cold weather in months when there shouldn't be and its ignored against global warming, doesn't anyone see the narrowly minded hypocrisy of that? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-05/new-yorkers-get-ready-to-wake-up-to-snow-covered-city-saturday

 

[Punx0r]

Global warming creates more WEATHER, not exclusively hot weather.

Greater extremes of hot, cold, precipitation and drought are all to be expected, depending on where you are on the planet.

 

[jimw1960]

Every time there is a hot day in Australia it circles global warming doom but there are just so many super cold storms or even strings of cold weather in months when there shouldn't be and its ignored against global warming, doesn't anyone see the narrowly minded hypocrisy of that? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-05/new-yorkers-get-ready-to-wake-up-to-snow-covered-city-saturday

Global average temperature calculations include data from all over the Earth, both land and sea. Just because your particular area gets a bizarre cold spell doesn't mean other areas are not getting bizarre hot spells. In fact, many of the weird cold spells that have been seen this year in northern subarctic latitudes can be explained by warming in the arctic region, which reduces the thermal gradient between the poles and lower latitudes, which weakens the polar vortex and allows it to meander farther south than usual. So when you get a weird cold spell, first thing you should do is look at what is going on in the polar region nearest you. Chances are the cold air being sent your way by the poles is being replace by warm air being sucked up into the polar regions on the other side of the globe.

 

[billvon]

Every time there is a hot day in Australia it circles global warming doom

And every fall when it starts getting colder, climate change deniers start in with "SEE? It's COLD out! There's no such thing as global warming!"

 

[LockH]

‘We’ve fallen off a cliff’: Scientists have never seen so little ice in the Bering Sea in spring

Seen here:
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattl...en-so-little-ice-in-the-bering-sea-in-spring/

 

[LockH]

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[LockH]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...secutive-warm-month/618484002/?csp=chromepush

Earth just had its 400th straight warmer-than-average month thanks to global warming

Starts:

It was December 1984, and President Reagan had just been elected to his second term, Dynasty was the top show on TV and Madonna's Like a Virgin topped the musical charts.

It was also the last time the Earth had a cooler-than-average month.

Last month marked the planet's 400th consecutive month with above-average temperatures, federal scientists from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration announced Thursday.

The cause for the streak? Unquestionably, it’s climate change, caused by humanity's burning of fossil fuels.

[sigh]

 

[TheBeastie]

Peter Ridd a professor in Queensland who has grown up loving and studying the Great Barrier Reef, has been known to say there is nothing wrong with the great barrier reef and it isn't being affected by climate change etc.

But when the Federal Government issues out hundreds of millions of dollars to Universities to "save" or study the great barrier reef, having a professor who doesn't think there is an issue becomes a serious monetary problem, because it lowers their chances of receiving grant money.
So what do you do? you sack the scientists who aren't in it for the money.
Video URL below, sorry its embedded in Twitter and not youtubed..
https://twitter.com/skynewsaust/status/892338776940269568

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/defend-peter-ridd-from-the-warmist-censors/news-story/6845b905c48c7f19e71f27f7b0e1f404

OR read the article.
https://ipa.org.au/publications-ipa/media-releases/professor-peter-ridd-sacking-outrageous

 

[billvon]

So what do you do? you sack the scientists who aren't in it for the money.

Or you sack the professor who violates the terms of his employment. In the real world, if you violate the rules under which you were hired, you can get fired.

Which one is it? It depends on whether you are a climate change denier, I guess. For them, their only guide is their political agenda.

 

[Ianhill]

I believe in climate change in the morning it rains the next few hours the sun comes out.
And let's be honest the ice sheets melting is not setting record breaking new highs they have not always been there the earth fluctuates it once had 3 hours days with 85°c temp swings and no life.
Our solar system moves within a galaxy that is also on a crash course with another galaxy within a universe so to think we can stay stable and control anything is madness with the grand scale of time we ain't been here long enough we are barely beginning to work things out we can not reach global agreement instead people with an aganda weaponize the words climate change to a point it becomes a many sided argument those that believe it's purely human, those that realize the earth fluctuates underneath the human input, Then those with oil shares that chose to deny that humans have any input at all.
To me we have sealed our deal as a species there's to much greed and corruption no good can come of this we hold our self's back through currency government etc, either humans go through a big populstion reset, an evolutionary step beyond homosapien or sadly extinction.

 

[billvon]

Our solar system moves within a galaxy that is also on a crash course with another galaxy within a universe so to think we can stay stable and control anything is madness with the grand scale of time we ain't been here long enough we are barely beginning to work things out

Well, right. But keep in mind that you are also going to die someday, and we don't understand the human body well enough to prevent that. And also keep in mind that arsenic is perfectly natural and is present in drinking water.

Still, you're probably going to object if someone decides they want to put 300 milligrams of arsenic in your coffee. Even if you are going to die anyway, arsenic is natural, and it's less than a gram overall.

Preventing climate change isn't about making sure the climate never changes, or steering our galaxy away from another. It's just about making sure we don't change our own climate so rapidly we cause mass extinctions and harm our own people.

 

[Ianhill]

That's is partially the problem our life span, It is to insignificant for our brain to take what we see in by the time most appropriate it then there not long left.

Humans are capable of making the same mistakes over and over we rely on passing information down over generations to progress as a whole and this can work but there's a corrupt leadership that see's its own claim to power more important than your own rights as an individual and even places itself above the species really as government is holding us back through funneling corrupt money in places to cause war that suits themself's to cement their place in power, but it leads to a dead end for humans as a whole through greed we war and spend massive budgets on weaponozation that influences tech but in all the wrong ways.

Joe rogan had a good podcast with some guy about climate change and I agreed with many of their points.

 

[Voltron]

That's a lot of word salad there, but it's so obvious with modern scientific observation that man made changes are driving world temperates upward, that the only reasons left for denying it are either being a fool living in a fools Paradise, or guilt avoidance that ones comfy industrial lifestyle is killing the world for future generations.
The generations that came before at least had the excuse of not knowing... It's our generation that bears the responsibility of knowing the problem.. but being too soft and cozy to do much besides get up and turn the AC colder.

 

[billvon]

Humans are capable of making the same mistakes over and over we rely on passing information down over generations to progress as a whole and this can work but there's a corrupt leadership that see's its own claim to power more important than your own rights as an individual and even places itself above the species really as government is holding us back through funneling corrupt money in places to cause war that suits themself's to cement their place in power, but it leads to a dead end for humans as a whole through greed we war and spend massive budgets on weaponozation that influences tech but in all the wrong ways.

Holy run on sentences batman!

Yes, agreed there's a lot of corruption out there. All we can do is the best _we_ can.

 

[LockH]

Interesting take on "global climate change" in Part 2 of this series... where they talk about melting ice and rising sea levels "upsetting the balance" and causing the earths tectonic plates to shift. (Think, "eartthquakes"... the incidence of which has been increasing lately. Lets just say I wouldn't wish to be a Real Estate agent in Istanbul these days.

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