ice sheet losses in Greenland and Antarctica reach new highs

Another California record.. We just had the world's hottest recorded rain... It was 119, and residents of the area described it a suffocating sweltering mist as it was evaporating in mid air and off the scorching pavement.
 
fechter said:
Raindrops probably made a sizzling sound when they hit the pavement.
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Might be worth reprising some predictions climate change deniers made recently:
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There IS a problem with global warming... it stopped in 1998

By Bob Carter
09 Apr 2006

For many years now, human-caused climate change has been viewed as a large and urgent problem. In truth, however, the biggest part of the problem is neither environmental nor scientific, but a self-created political fiasco. Consider the simple fact, drawn from the official temperature records of the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, that for the years 1998-2005 global average temperature did not increase (there was actually a slight decrease, though not at a rate that differs significantly from zero).

Yes, you did read that right. And also, yes, this eight-year period of temperature stasis did coincide with society's continued power station and SUV-inspired pumping of yet more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.

In response to these facts, a global warming devotee will chuckle and say "how silly to judge climate change over such a short period". Yet in the next breath, the same person will assure you that the 28-year-long period of warming which occurred between 1970 and 1998 constitutes a dangerous (and man-made) warming. Tosh.. . .

The essence of the issue is this. Climate changes naturally all the time, partly in predictable cycles, and partly in unpredictable shorter rhythms and rapid episodic shifts, some of the causes of which remain unknown. We are fortunate that our modern societies have developed during the last 10,000 years of benignly warm, interglacial climate. But for more than 90 per cent of the last two million years, the climate has been colder, and generally much colder, than today. The reality of the climate record is that a sudden natural cooling is far more to be feared, and will do infinitely more social and economic damage, than the late 20th century phase of gentle warming.
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May 26, 2013

To The Horror Of Global Warming Alarmists, Global Cooling Is Here
Peter Ferrara

. . .Sunspots run in 11 year short term cycles, with longer cyclical trends of 90 and even 200 years. The number of sunspots declined substantially in the last 11 year cycle, after flattening out over the previous 20 years. But in the current cycle, sunspot activity has collapsed. NASA’s Science News report for January 8, 2013 states,

“Indeed, the sun could be on the threshold of a mini-Maunder event right now. Ongoing Solar Cycle 24 [the current short term 11 year cycle] is the weakest in more than 50 years. Moreover, there is (controversial) evidence of a long-term weakening trend in the magnetic field strength of sunspots. Matt Penn and William Livingston of the National Solar Observatory predict that by the time Solar Cycle 25 arrives, magnetic fields on the sun will be so weak that few if any sunspots will be formed. Independent lines of research involving helioseismology and surface polar fields tend to support their conclusion.”

That is even more significant because NASA’s climate science has been controlled for years by global warming hysteric James Hansen, who recently announced his retirement.

But this same concern is increasingly being echoed worldwide. . . .

Yet, just last week, there was Washington Post columnist Eugene Robinson telling us, by way of attempting to tutor Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX), Chairman of the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology, “For the record, and for the umpteenth time, there is no ‘great amount of uncertainty’ about whether the planet is warming and why.” If you can read, and you have gotten this far in my column, you know why Robinson’s ignorance is just another Washington Post abuse of the First Amendment. Mr. Robinson, let me introduce you to the British Met Office, stalwart of Global Warming “science,” such as it is, which has already publicly confessed that we are already three quarters through 20 years of No Global Warming!

Booker could have been writing about Robinson when he concluded his Sunday Telegraph commentary by writing, “Has there ever in history been such an almighty disconnect between observable reality and the delusions of a political class that is quite impervious to any rational discussion?”

But there is a fundamental problem with the temperature records from this contentious period, when climate science crashed into political science. The land based records, which have been under the control of global warming alarmists at the British Met Office and the Hadley Centre Climate Research Unit, and at NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) in the U.S., show much more warming during this period than the incorruptible satellite atmosphere temperature records. Those satellite records have been further confirmed by atmospheric weather balloons. But the land based records can be subject to tampering and falsification.
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March 26, 2013
Interview with Don Easterbrook:

"Global warming ended in 1998. There has been no global warming in 15 years."
“CO2 cannot possibly cause global warming.”
“We're in for about 25 - 30 years of global cooling.”
 
The link below is to a comprehensive NY Times article that is probably the best thing I have ever read related to the history of climate policy in this country. It is a bit long, but should be required reading.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/08/01/magazine/climate-change-losing-earth.html?smid=fb-share

NY Times has a paywall, but you should be able to access up to 4 articles in any month without being blocked. Let me know if you can't read it and maybe I can post excerpts. If you can read it, keep it open on your screen until you finish so you don't exceed the limit of 4 times.
 
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Hothouse Earth: Runaway global warming threatens 'habitability of the planet for humans':
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech...ming-threatens-habitability-planet/916521002/

Starts:
We've been warned.

Runaway global warming on our planet remains a distinct possibility in the decades and centuries ahead, scientists reported Monday in a new study, warning that a "hothouse Earth" threatens the very “habitability of the planet for human beings.”

Such a hothouse Earth climate would see global average temperatures some 6 to 8 degrees Fahrenheit higher than they are now, with sea levels 30 to 200 feet higher than today, the paper said.

In addition, even if the carbon emission reductions called for in the Paris Agreement are met – meaning a rise of no more than 3.6 degrees above preindustrial levels – that still may not be enough.
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Includes:
Study lead author Will Steffen said "our study suggests that human-induced global warming of (3.6 degrees) may trigger other Earth system processes, often called ‘feedbacks,’ that can drive further warming – even if we stop emitting greenhouse gases."

The feedbacks include methane release from thawing permafrost, loss of snow cover in the Northern Hemisphere, loss of Arctic summer sea ice, and dramatic reduction of Antarctic sea ice and polar ice sheets.

“These tipping elements can potentially act like a row of dominoes," said study co-author Johan Rockstrom of the Stockholm Resilience Centre, an independent research institute that specializes in sustainable development and environmental issues.
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... and:
Global warming is caused by the burning of fossil fuels such as oil, gas and coal, which release greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and oceans. Those gases have caused global temperatures to rise to levels that cannot be explained by natural causes.
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Battery-electric traction to the rescue! Hehe... :mrgreen:
 
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(Wiki:)
The London Evening Standard (or simply Evening Standard) is a local, free daily newspaper, published Monday to Friday in tabloid format in London. It is owned by Russian businessman Alexander Lebedev. It is the dominant local/regional evening paper for London and the surrounding area, with coverage of national and international news and City of London finance. In October 2009, the paper ended a 180-year history of paid circulation and became a free newspaper, doubling its circulation as part of a change in its business plan.
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UK weather warning: 'Runaway' global warming could spark summer droughts and cause prolonged heatwaves to become 'the norm', experts say:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/...cause-of-runaway-global-warming-a3905786.html

Starts:
“Runaway” global warming is set to cause permanent extreme weather, including prolonged summer droughts and severe winter flooding in the UK, leading scientists have warned.

University academics warned exceptionally hot weather, as Brits have experienced this summer, could become the norm and cause the deaths of "a whole lot of plants and animals".

Meanwhile, in winter, the UK could regularly face the threat of flooding as sea levels continue to rise.

It comes as research suggested the Earth could be just decades away from a “hothouse” state because of irreversible warming.

The report claimed the planet is not far off a climatic tipping point that triggers an irreversible level of “runaway” global warming, even if countries meet CO2 targets.
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Hehe... "When the going gets tough, the tough get going"... Last week, my (Canadian) landlord installed nuclear-powered ("electric") air conditioning! :mrgreen:
 
Warm layer caused by reduced albedo forming under large area of artic ice:

https://www-cbc-ca.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4803195?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCCAE%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbc.ca%2Fnews%2Fcanada%2Fnorth%2Fsea-ice-warm-layer-1.4803195
 
^^ Just not in mixed company. Meanwhile... Climate scientists are struggling to find the right words for very bad news
("A much-awaited report from the U.N.'s top climate science panel will show an enormous gap between where we are and where we need to be to prevent dangerous levels of warming."):
https://www.washingtonpost.com/ener...re-struggling-find-right-words-very-bad-news/

Starts:
In Incheon, South Korea, this week, representatives of over 130 countries and about 50 scientists have packed into a large conference center going over every line of an all-important report: What chance does the planet have of keeping climate change to a moderate, controllable level?

When they can’t agree, they form “contact groups” outside the hall, trying to strike an agreement and move the process along. They are trying to reach consensus on what it would mean — and what it would take — to limit the warming of the planet to just 1.5 degrees Celsius, or 2.7 degrees Fahrenheit, when 1 degree Celsius has already occurred and greenhouse gas emissions remain at record highs.
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:roll: :cry:
 
We need Al Gore to come out and make a statement. :lol: :lol: He needs to fly in his lear jet and do a local conference on the importance of eliminating...LEAR JETS..for the sake for global warming :wink:
 
Here is a link to a webinar that summarizes Volume II of the Fourth National Climate Assessment that was released last week. If you don't have time to read it all, this is a very good, easy-to-understand summary.
http://medialibrary.climatecentral.org/events/webinar-the-4th-national-climate-assessment?fbclid=IwAR1Qfv6s-HL2W_eE8i156I4oamx_Sa3CxDfKWPqXRoKqKpSSp0bUGgqqm30
 
El Paso, Texas, is going to have to start drinking treated sewage water due to the effects of climate change. The water in the Rio Grande, their former source of drinking water, is drying up - and there's no longer enough to go around. Reservoirs are currently at around 3% capacity, and all the fresh water has been pumped out of their aquifers.

In the future, the shortfall will be made up by a combination of treated sewage water and desalinated aquifer water (the remaining water in the aquifer is salty.)

Welcome to the future.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/30/health/water-climate-change-el-paso/index.html
 
Runoff from Greenland reaches record highs - again. Author - “From a historical perspective, today’s melt rates are off the charts. We found a 50 percent increase in total ice sheet meltwater runoff versus the start of the industrial era, and a 30 percent increase since the 20th century alone.”

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0752-4.epdf
 
How ironic....the Trump haters are drowning in a sea of hate and they love it, but they seem fearful of global warming and drowning in the rising ocean levels. :lol: :lol:



We need a looney liberal, who is gonna raise all our taxes much more, so we can stop global climate change.

I suggest Al GORE....oh wait, hes to busy travelling around the world in lear jets, limos and living in his mansion houses. It would be like having Jeffrey Dahmer as a spokesperson for the negatives of being a cannibal or having Trump condem the action of making stupid tweets. Choose the biggest offenders as the global spokesperson , for the action being condemned .
 
fechter said:
Trump Administration Wants to Make It Easier to Release Methane Into Air
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/10/climate/methane-emissions-epa.html

OK, does that mean I can fart legally now?
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Not so fast . Looney liberal politicans are liable to suugest some type of methane taxation on human flatulence. Sounds like the perfect bill for someone like Maxine Waters to be in charge of.

I wonder how much pollution and earthly footprint, is needlessly created by these politicians riding the global warming hysteria ?

Lets see :

Travelling around the world in lear jets, limos, ships, etc

Owning numerous large homes/mansions which create a un-necessary negative footprint on earth.

having their own entourage of secret service personel that requires thousands of extra fossil fuel vehicles for motorcades/ protection while travelling .


I wonder how much methane is omitted by these politicians endless banter of lies ? I have a idea, maybe we can tax the politicians, $10,000 everytime they tell a lie , for the sake of the global warming fund ? Between the Bushs, Clintons, Obamas and Trump, we can stamp out global warming in 3 weeks. :lol: :lol: :lol: If we can also tax the lies comings from our media, then we can end global warming in 3 days.
 
Voltron said:
Another California record.. We just had the world's hottest recorded rain... It was 119, and residents of the area described it a suffocating sweltering mist as it was evaporating in mid air and off the scorching pavement.
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Lol...the worlds hottest recorded rain...ROFL.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

In my area, we just had the worlds coldest recorded rain , which offsets your hottest rain, which indicates everything has evened out properly.
 
billvon said:
Runoff from Greenland reaches record highs - again. Author - “From a historical perspective, today’s melt rates are off the charts. We found a 50 percent increase in total ice sheet meltwater runoff versus the start of the industrial era, and a 30 percent increase since the 20th century alone.”

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0752-4.epdf
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Do you know the story of "Glacier Girl" ?
Its one of the several P38s that were forced to land on the Greenland ice cap in 1942,
When an expedition went to recover them in 1988 they were eventually found (using ground radar), burried under 264 ft of ice. And in the 4 years it took to retrieve Glacier Girl from under the ice, another 15 ft of ice had accumulated from compacted snowfall.
So "surface melt runoff" is not a process i can easily visualise in those circumstances !
 
Hillhater said:
Do you know the story of "Glacier Girl" ?
Its one of the several P38s that were forced to land on the Greenland ice cap in 1942,
When an expedition went to recover them in 1988 they were eventually found (using ground radar), burried under 264 ft of ice. And in the 4 years it took to retrieve Glacier Girl from under the ice, another 15 ft of ice had accumulated from compacted snowfall.
So "surface melt runoff" is not a process i can easily visualise in those circumstances !
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On the chance that this is a serious question -

Glaciers have two zones - accumulation zones and ablation zones. The accumulation zone is at the top of the glacier - in the case of the Greenland glaciers, up to 10,000 feet. It is much colder up there. It snows a lot. The snow accumulates and compacts year by year. Eventually it turns to almost solid ice.

All that ice is very, very heavy, and the ice at the bottom is under such pressure that it becomes plastic. The weight starts pushing the entire mass down towards lower elevations (in this case, the ocean.)

As it descends things get warmer. The glacier melts a little bit every summer. As it gets lower it gets warmer and more ice melts. Eventually it passes something called the equilibrium line. At this line, the glacier is losing as much every summer as it gains every winter.

And still the glacier descends. Now it is losing more ice than it gains every year. Eventually (in the case of Greenland) the glacier meets the sea and loses the rest of its mass to calving.

As the climate warms, the equilibrium line moves higher and higher. More ice melts every summer. There are now days in the summer where the surface is melting everywhere in Greenland. However, at 10,000 feet, the glacier still gets far more snow than it sees melting every year.

Anyway, Glacier Girl landed in the accumulation zone. Snow fell on it and accumulated. In the summer some of that snow melted - but not all of it. Then more snow fell the next winter. And the plane was forced down into the flow of the glacier.

Even today, the rest of the airplanes from that squadron are slowly moving down towards the ocean. If you waited 30 years, you might see them stop getting deeper. Wait 60 years and you may see them resurface. Or they may make it to the sea before that. Slow glaciers move about a meter per day, so it takes ~4 years to move a mile. But some glaciers can surge 100 meters a day, and that's 22 miles a year. Warmer temperatures melt a lot of ice, and if that water makes it to the bottom of the glacier through crevasses, it can lubricate the bottom of the glacier and cause that sort of speedup.
 
Climate change has always been a part of this planet. Climate change has always been here, and so far in my life I keep being told that humans are about to set off a new climate disaster.

Utter Bullshit.

Decades ago we were told we would be in a new Ice Age. In the 80's experts claimed we could all die from a hole in the ozone layer and in the 90's I was told the East Coast of the US would be underwater by 2010.

Climate change is part of the cycle the Earth and Sun go through. Conversely, we are a mosquito on the ass of a Brontosaurus. For millions of years the Earth was literally a ball of ice (way before humans) and in another multi-million year period the entire Earth was essentially a hot, damp rain forest. Today's "climate change" pushers are akin to the Mayan priests that figured out the days of the solar eclipse and used it to gain personal power and wealth.

Al Gore appreciates all the stupid libs for their embracing the faulty concept that we are nearing total disaster due to humans actions causing worldwide floods , biblical disasters, etc. For every study you repost that claims the end is near due to humans causing climate change, I can post 2 articles that prove such hysterical claims are baloney.


Yeah....long ago, I used to fall for the disaster scenario of climate change..we were told the ICEBERGS and the ice age may soon be approaching. LOL....then a few decades later, they changed that claim to the opposite, now claiming temperatures may be rising due to humans, and the planet will flood. What kind of imbecile falls for this bullshit.....oh, and its just so convenient that they want to add more taxes on us, to save the planet and stop global climate change. :lol:

I wonder how many trips this year alone, Al Gore has taken in his lear jet , to travel abroad , trying to save the planet from pollution and climate change. :roll:

Al Gore predicted all the polar caps would be melted....years ago. It never happened. Time to kick in more hysteria and make more bullshit predictions because that tax money would come in handy for our corrupt govt leaders.
 
rumme said:
fechter said:
Trump Administration Wants to Make It Easier to Release Methane Into Air
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/10/climate/methane-emissions-epa.html

OK, does that mean I can fart legally now?
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Not so fast . Looney liberal politicans are liable to suugest some type of methane taxation on human flatulence. Sounds like the perfect bill for someone like Maxine Waters to be in charge of.
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More like they'll require the wearing of an abatement device. You'll stick it --- well, maybe I'll let you wait for the instruction manual.

rumme said:
I can post 2 articles that prove such hysterical claims are baloney.

Al Gore predicted all the polar caps would be melted....years ago. It never happened. Time to kick in more hysteria and make more bullshit predictions because that tax money would come in handy for our corrupt govt leaders.
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The problem is you're making the same mistake they do. The articles don't PROVE anything, they might make compelling arguments that are hard to dismiss. Bit when the other side is running amok on threadbare assertions, it's best not to do the same on the opposite side.
 
Dauntless, this is 1 reason why I dont inundate this forum with endless handpicked links, articles to try and prove my opinions , because I realize its often a silly action. Bill Von can post 100 articles / graphs that supposedly verify his opinions on global warming are true, and I can post 100 opposing articles/graphs that claim his opinions are wrong.


In the end, our govt, and so called experts are often wrong on many things and even outright liars about many things. Global climate change is primarily a NATURAL action of this realm and has been happening for eons. Higher taxation upon us peons, isnt gonna stop it and only a imbecile would fall for such a scam. You wanna stop any real negative repercussions we humans are having on earth ? Start with the corrupt politicians who want to force a climate tax upon all of us , by taking away those politicians overuse of transportation venues{ like jets, planes, limos, motorcades, etc } that cause way more pollution then your average member in society that drives a car . Let these maggot politicians be the ones who set the positive trends for the rest of us regarding climate change. Trust me, these politicians aint interested in being inconvenienced like that, their answer is usually gonna be...MORE TAXES ON THE PEOPLE. Which of course just ends up being more moeny raised, that is pissed away/stolen by those same politicians

FUK EM !
 
I would support a fart tax just to watch hyperventilating drama queen conservatives lose their frockin' minds.
I just want to see one of their overblown fantasy nightmares become reality.

...then i'd adjust my diet, because i am always looking for ways to reduce my tax liability ( as every citizen should )
 
neptronix said:
I would support a fart tax just to watch hyperventilating drama queen conservatives lose their frockin' minds.
I just want to see one of their overblown fantasy nightmares become reality.

...then i'd adjust my diet, because i am always looking for ways to reduce my tax liability ( as every citizen should )
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I suggest to write a letter to Maxine Waters, and request her to write up new legislation called the " human flatulence tax of 2019" . Of course she and her politicians pals would be exempt from this new taxation because they care SO MUCH for our well being . :wink:

I think they are trying this climate change scam and taxation in Paris, and people are revolting, as they should be.

Im all for conservation and not polluting our environment , but having corrupt politicians demand we peons pay even more taxes for climate change, is a farce.
 
I'd also like to see some revolt against having your money stolen.

Got some contact info? :mrgreen:
 
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