Instant Start 18 fet CRYSTALYTE Controller

[Doctorbass]

Guys.

Today i just received a 18 mosfet controller from crystalyte.

At the first look, it use a VERY similar board to the infineon.

some big difference are:

-530uF more capacitor capacity
-12 gauge Nylon wire for phase and current input
-4 shunt
-The Board name is EB218-A-1 and the date is 2009-03-28
-The uC is XCK J8B116A 09122
The mosfets are FB4110 I*R 744P
-The Voltage regulator use a IC AS893M
-the regulator resistors are 3x 1.2K in parallel.
-The aluminium bar for sinking mosfet heat is anodized(this is not the best) and is fixed with only 6 screw on the center width of the case.

I still had not plugged it ..

I just wonder if to use it at 100V it would be safe to use these stock "copy" of the 4110.. I mean if they have the same max voltage tolerance loke the true IR mosfets.. and also if the resistors of the regulator must be changed...

---PLEASE NOTE THAT IN THE FIRST PIC.. THE GREY CASE IS NOT THE CASE OF THE CRYSTALYTE CONTROLLER----

Doc

 

[Doctorbass]

second part

 

[fechter]

They're learning :wink:

How much does that controller cost?

 

[karma]

hmm beefy your rite about the anodized bar. i Prefer copper over anodized, and only 6 screws . i guess whatever heat Doesn't transfer can go to one of the extra fets

 

[steveo]

very very veryyyy nice..

-steveo

 

[BatteryMooch]

I wish they'd start hard-coat anodizing heat spreader bars!
No need for the sheet of insulating material between the FETs and the bar, allowing the FETs to run much cooler. If they're already paying for standard anodizing, why not do hard-coat?

Just ranting...

 

[methods]

I hate to break the news to you guys....

THAT IS THE EXACT SAME BOARD I AM GETTING FROM KEYWIN

And those 4110's are fake btw Doc... But you know that.

So.. lol.. Looks like you will have 2 of them Doc
The 18 fet that Doc is comparing this board to is the old 18 fet board.

Only the most superficial differences - those differences are due to where the parts were ordered.

Oh boy... Here comes trouble

-methods

 

[methods]

The heatsink is better made. Your fet spacing is much better. My fets look like broken teeth!

(3) 1.2K in parallel puts that board in the 50V - 64V range.
Swap those out for a combination that gives you more like 600 ohms (1.8K x 3)

So how do you like them apples? lol... The new Infineon board and the new Christalyte board are the same thing.
I wonder if they are running the exact same firmware?
Chip swaps!

We need to strip down both boards and put them up against eachother
If there are differences in how they are populated we can sort out the undocumented features.

-methods

 

[methods]

http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7440&start=15#p131136

-methods

 

[Doctorbass]

Here the Uc description found here ( the XCKJ8B116A):
(translated from the XIECHANG website)http://www.xie-chang.cn/cn/product_read.asp?id=148

Product introduction and parameter
Product range: the 8B116A monolithic integrated circuit makes controller's master control chip
Product classification: Chip version series
Product model: 8B116A
Refresh time: 2009-4-10
Product synopsis:
XCKJ 8B116A monolithic integrated circuit synopsis
1st, the XCKJ8B116A monolithic integrated circuit is this company and the overseas famous semiconductor company cooperates the development, the design, carries on the seal by the overseas famous seal manufacturer.
2nd, XCKJ8B116A according to the automobile level's standard design production, the trouble-free service temperature reaches 130℃ above, enables the controller to be possible in a worse heat, the vibration and under the electromagnetic interference environment works.
3rd, XCKJ8B116The monolithic integrated circuit FLASH space is 8K, a time may compile the procedure is more widespread, and simultaneously realizes the function are more.
4th, takes controller's core MCU by the XCKJ8B116A monolithic integrated circuit, may output 6 group independent belt dead area protection 16 PWM, namely enhanced the performance to simplify the periphery component arrangement, the part quantity reduction reduced the controller cost at the same time to enhance the reliability, had the detailed superiority in the actuation high speed electrical machinery's performance.
5th, XCKJ8B116A has the field best real-time performance, the operating frequency reaches as high as 32Mhz, handling ability compared to PIC16F72 which, CY8C2443A, NEC9234, AMEGA48, TMP88F846UG present industry in uses and so on must be higher than above 80%.
6th, the XCKJ8B116A series microprocessor uses the internal independence to transport puts, the control precision must be higher than above 3 times compared to the external arithmetic amplifier, the implementation control protection measure's time only needs for 3 microseconds, may better carry on the real-time protection to the power component, simultaneously reduces the request which uses for the MOS tube.
7th, XCKJ8B116A uses the LQFP small seal, pin several 32, provides the IO port to reach 30; And 18 may use in the function expanding, may realize the control, the measuring appliance integration, simplifies the complete bikes to design and to reduce the complete bikes cost.








I also found the complete PDF download section of their website !!!

see here:http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translat...cn/download.asp&lp=zh_en&btnTrUrl=Translateis

ex:

806th, 812-C series material PDF documents [downloading]
806th, 809, 812-B series material PDF documents [downloading]
806th, 809, 812-A series material PDF documents [downloading]
206th, 209, 212-C series material PDF documents [downloading]
206th, 209, 212-B series material PDF documents [downloading]
206th, 209, 212-A series material PDF documents [downloading]
Installs the technological requirement PDF documents [downloading]
The XC846 interconnection installation procedure .rar [downloading]
The XCKJ8B116A interconnection installs software .rar [downloading]
116The plan all edition aluminum strip's MOS cable channel position size is detailed [downloading]
2SK4145 MOS tube parameter [downloading]
HYM1001KP MOS tube parameter [downloading]
XCKJ8B116A series in-line site plan [downloading]
XCKJ 8B116A plan non-Hall sequence of operation explanation [downloading]
XCKJ the 8B116A plan (renewal) showed from the study sequence of operation [downloading]
About welding flux use matters needing attention [downloading]

Altogether has downloading: 21 16/page of current 1/2 page of home page previous page next page of tail page

ANd.... The XCKJ8B116A interconnection installs software .rar http://66.196.80.202/babelfish/tran....cn/administrator/upload/2009328122310362.rar

:wink:


Doc

 

[Doctorbass]

The first crystalyte 72V 35A analog controller i had ( past 2 years) and that i still have had the true IRFB4710.. a true International Rectifier mosfet.. so i dont know why they could have done this move with counterfait mosfets...

Maybe it's not the same for the 12 or 9 or 6 mosfet controlerl from crystalyte...

 

[patrickza]

I have the same controller waiting for my build. It's a pity about the fake mosfets, I'll replace mine if they blow. Any chance you could let me know what all the plugs do. I've mailed Kenny asking for a description but he hasn't responded yet.