Is it the motor or the controller doing this? (really long spool up time)

Tezzy

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Hi everyone!

I recently bought a new e-Bike. It's the 5th e-bike I've owned and the third I have bought ready to ride, having built the other two myself. This time I bought one from Walmart because I fell in love with the design. It has a 250w rear fat tire hub motor (pictured) which looks to me to be a Bafang RMG06 or similar Bafang motor. I believe it's a geared motor and I know it has a freewheel. The bike came as a pedal-assist only, but upon taking a look at the controller I found it had an unused throttle connector, so I added a twist throttle. The problem I am having when using the throttle and when using pedal assist is that the motor takes about 12-15 seconds to "spool up" after engaging power. And if I'm already riding along at max speed (20mph) and I let go of the throttle even for a split second and re-engage it, the motor goes back to 0 and slowly spools up again, which takes another 12-15 seconds. This means if I let go on a hill I lose all power for all of those seconds until it catches up to my current speed, making riding this bike quite annoying. My other low power cheap e-bikes regain full power within just a second or two after letting go and re-engaging throttle. But they have all had direct-drive motors. This is my first experience with a geared motor.

So what I hope you can tell me is whether this is a characteristic of the motor itself or if it's just a really long 'slow start' curve programmed into the controller (pictured) to make the pedal-assist behaviour smoother. If it's the latter, is there any way for me to change that on the controller? If not, and if buying a new controller will give me the more immediate power I would expect, I will buy another controller, but I don't want to do that until I know for sure, as I will need to cut wiring and void my return option on both the bike and the new controller just to try it.
 

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It's the controller, for sure. Motor's really don't have any "logic" in them. Yes, a geared hub will internally stop spinning the motor when off power, but they absolute can get back up to "re-engaged" speed very quickly, especially when they are under no load (ie, the wheel is spinning faster than the motor). Some controllers can be programmed to maintain a bit of "not pedaling, but not on the brakes" current to emulate freewheeling, but in geared motors it is useful to keep the motor engaged.
 
Is the behavior the same when testing with the wheel elevated off the ground?
Yes, exactly the same. It seems very much like a very slow start curve begins every time the throttle is applied after disengaging it. I wish I could change that without going to the stress of replacing the controller.
 
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It's the controller, for sure. Motor's really don't have any "logic" in them. Yes, a geared hub will internally stop spinning the motor when off power, but they absolute can get back up to "re-engaged" speed very quickly, especially when they are under no load (ie, the wheel is spinning faster than the motor). Some controllers can be programmed to maintain a bit of "not pedaling, but not on the brakes" current to emulate freewheeling, but in geared motors it is useful to keep the motor engaged.
Thanks very much. So if I replace the controller with this, should it solve the problem? I wish I could just get rid of that slow-start programming on the stock one.
 
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Both controllers and displays need compatible f/w in order to work together so its generally best to buy both together from the same supplier. KT brand are popular replacement/upgrade controllers as they have a fairly wide range of display options, but dont be tempted to cheap out and get a KT-LEDX display as although compatible you will NEED a LCD Display in order to configure the controller.
 
I'd recommend a programmable controller in the future so you don't end up with another dud.

Problem with this controller might be a super low battery to phase amp ratio ( 1:1 ), where instead, a 1:2 or 1:3 is more suitable.
 
Thanks very much. So if I replace the controller with this, should it solve the problem? ...[link]
Maybe, maybe not. Generally speaking, I wouldn't expect a controller to have such a noticeable slow start, so maybe picking up a generic, non-bike-specific one could perform more in line with your expectations, but the linked one is as much of a black-box as the one you have now. You could spend the small change and try it (it'll cost more in time than money) but there's very little guarantee it'll do any better.
 
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