Lithium Iron Phosphate LIFEPO4 technology

xyster said:
As someone who hasn't got a kit yet and is trying to find the pitfalls before he buys (and don't be afraid to speak g33k w/ me, I'm sorta into DC): if you were to have 4 lifepo batts in the 36v x 15ah denomination, would you be able to easily swap them from a 72v x 30ah to a 36v x 60ah for a long ride, or would you have to swap controllers, etc? I'm speaking specifically about crystalyte's 35a 36-72v 5 series controller.

I guess my question is... with these 36-72v controllers... is changing your voltage really as easy as rewiring your batts? I'd love to make a 3 way switch that had three settings: balls, distance, and charge. The easier this is to make convenient, etc, the more I'll use it instead JEEP.

72v30ah provides the same range as 36v60ah -- total watt-hours of energy is the same in both cases.
So long as you can control yourself as far as the throttle and speed goes, there's no reason to rewire.
As a real-life example: I have an 80volt 33ah pack, 72v35a controller, and a 5304 motor in a 20" wheel. At the normal 80 volts, cruising on level ground at 20mph requires 5 amps of current (400 watts since 80v X 5amps = 400 watts). When I've ridden with half the pack (40volts 33ah), cruising over the same ground at the same speed required 10 amps (again 400 watts since 40v X 10amps = 400watts).
More voltage allows you the option of riding faster. Riding faster will drain the batteries much faster. But just because you can, doesn't mean you have to.

agreed.

what i would suggest is getting yourself a cycleanalyst, or something similar to set a maximum throttle value. I find the urge to just jam on full is a little too high :p.

I'd rather have the CA determine the maximum for me so that i can extract maximum range from the pack.
 
xyster said:
You mentioned a 72v30ah pack. That's over 1700 watt-hours if you run it down to 80% or so (so the batteries live longer and you don't run the risk of killing any by fully depleting any).

20mph on an upright bike on level pavement typically requires about 400 watts to maintain; 25mph requires about 800 watts to maintain. So if you ride 20mph on the level and don't pedal, with that pack you should be able to ride over 80 miles in 4 hours time; at 25mph, range will drop to a bit over 50 miles and 2 hours. Of course, most of the world isn't level...but that should provide an idea of the outside range limits.

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang... :shock:

I thought it'd be far, but that's frickin ridiculous. With LiFePO4 the charge would be fast, too... 2hr reportedly, though I saw a 20 minute charger somewhere?! 4 20 minute chargers plugged into a standard extension chord and I could "drive" anywhere with enough time built in for travel. I mean who wouldn't want a 20 minute break after 4 hours of puttin along at 20mph, or even 2hr of 25mph? Rejuvenate your butt and your batt while havin a drink at a gas station no less. I bet they'll stop putting outlets on their exteriors at some point, if not already.

Whatever... someday combustion energy will be the next floppy disk - catering to a dwindling market of laggards! :twisted:
 
Dingo said:
xyster said:
You mentioned a 72v30ah pack. That's over 1700 watt-hours if you run it down to 80% or so (so the batteries live longer and you don't run the risk of killing any by fully depleting any).

20mph on an upright bike on level pavement typically requires about 400 watts to maintain; 25mph requires about 800 watts to maintain. So if you ride 20mph on the level and don't pedal, with that pack you should be able to ride over 80 miles in 4 hours time; at 25mph, range will drop to a bit over 50 miles and 2 hours. Of course, most of the world isn't level...but that should provide an idea of the outside range limits.

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang... :shock:

I thought it'd be far, but that's frickin ridiculous. With LiFePO4 the charge would be fast, too... 2hr reportedly, though I saw a 20 minute charger somewhere?! 4 20 minute chargers plugged into a standard extension chord and I could "drive" anywhere with enough time built in for travel. I mean who wouldn't want a 20 minute break after 4 hours of puttin along at 20mph, or even 2hr of 25mph? Rejuvenate your butt and your batt while havin a drink at a gas station no less. I bet they'll stop putting outlets on their exteriors at some point, if not already.

Whatever... someday combustion energy will be the next floppy disk - catering to a dwindling market of laggards! :twisted:

thats when u go to the book shop and read their books in the cafateria for a while and plug ur battery in where they allow laptops :p
 
can any of the company people on here or others tell me what is the silver looking material used in fepo4 batteries, one layer has copper base , the other layer just wondering what is the metal used.
I can see why are olivine based.........very black indeed the fep04 layer
Is the mystery layer aluminium? silver layer seems to be the positive side of battery, copper the negative
 

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There are two type of Chinese Batteries - Those made in the PRC and those made in the ROC. PHET is in Taiwan (ROC). The question should be "where did you purchase the battery from" ?
 
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