Magna (BionX) wants to be the Shimano of e-bikes

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http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2009/08/08/autoparts-giant-magna-quietly-enters-e-bike-market/#more-1774

Autoparts giant Magna quietly enters e-bike market

Nearly two years ago Magna Marque, a subsidiary of Magna International, quietly acquired a small company in Quebec called EPS Energy Propulsion Systems Inc., maker of the BionX e-bike kit. Manfred Gingl, founder and president of Magna Marque and former CEO of parent company Magna International, had a personal interest in bicycle technology and realized the market for e-bikes would be huge. Today, I have a story in the Toronto Star (sidebar here) that for the first time gives readers an inside look at what Magna is up to and how it plans to be a leading supplier of electric propulsion systems for bicycles and other mobile products, from paddle boats to three-wheeled urban vehicles. The company, quite simply, wants to be the Shimano of e-bikes. It already has supply agreements with Trek and is in serious talks with other bicycle manufacturers.

Aurora, Ont.-based Magna, of course, isn’t doing very well with its traditional business. It saw sales plummet 45 per cent in its most recent quarter, reported yesterday, and swung to a $205 million loss. The company, however, is gradually positioning itself as a leading supplier of drive trains and other components for the emerging electric car market, and has a partnership with Ford and other players to follow through with that vision. But Gingl’s view is that the e-bike opportunity will come faster than the electric car market, and the two nicely complement each other. Magna Marque can leverage battery and motor development taking place for the electric-car side of Magna’s business, giving it an edge over other competitors in the e-bike market.

The BionX system itself is, in my own view, quite impressive. I currently have a demo bike at home and enjoy the ride immensely. It takes some getting used to — i.e. the electric boost it sometimes provides, depending on your speed, can cause a mild jolt like a car going into passing gear. It might bother some people, but I actually like it. I rode 30 minutes home from work yesterday in jeans and in dress shoes, carrying a shopping bag in one hand, and easily tackled a head wind and hills averaging 30 kilometres an hour. Though I should emphasize this is no free ride — you have to peddle to trigger the electric-assist. It’s just that you do it more evenly and consistently than you might otherwise have to when approaching hills and wind. There’s an override that can put it into all-electric mode temporarily, but generally the idea around this kind of e-bike is that you still get the exercise but without the bursts of effort needed to tackle uneven terrain and forces of nature. I can see this being a hit with boomers, but younger folks will also see it as a way to make urban commuting by bicycle less intimidating.

I should also add that when you use the back brake it immediately goes into regenerative mode, charging the lithium-ion battery pack by capturing braking energy. You can also set the control so that it captures energy when you’re going downhill or riding with a tail wind or simply want the added resistance for the purpose of exercising.

Now, these things aren’t cheap. They range from $1,200 to $1,700 depending on battery power. And that’s without the bike. This is a kit, remember — a system than can either be retrofitted onto your existing bike or purchased as part of a package from a company such as Trek (in that case, you’ll likely pay more).

All in all, it’s encouraging to see a Canadian manufacturing gem like Magna taking this high-growth market seriously. It’s not going to replace lost auto-sector jobs and revenues, but when the auto sector rebounds the e-bike side of the business will certainly be a nice complement. Already, it has created 90 or so new jobs in the last year. And with Magna’s brand behind it, it will certainly raise awareness of e-bikes and their importance as we transition our transportation infrastructure away from congestion and pollution and toward free-flowing and emission-free.

By the way, as you’ll read in the story, Magna is developing an e-bike racking system that can be rolled out as part of a package to cities, resorts, gated communities, etc… that want to expand the bike-share concept seen in Paris and Montreal to electric bikes.

http://www.thestar.com/business/article/678181
He's an avid collector of fast and fancy cars, a hobby that comes naturally after four decades of rising through the ranks of auto-parts giant Magna International Inc. These days, however, Manfred Gingl has shifted gears from four- to two-wheelers.

As Magna founder and chairman Frank Stronach positions his company as a leading manufacturer of propulsion systems for electric vehicles, Gingl, a former chief executive of Magna and one of Stronach's closest confidants, is thinking beyond the automobile. The electrification of transportation, in his view, must include electric bicycles if communities are to deal with problems such as highway and urban congestion.

"Most people from the bicycle industry go into the auto industry," says Gingl, 60, president of Magna's aftermarket-products subsidiary Magna Marque. "I've made a complete circle, and have gone from car industry to bicycle."

In early 2008, Magna Marque quietly purchased EPS Energy Propulsion Systems Inc., a Quebec-based maker of e-bike retrofit kits that include a battery, electric motor and handlebar control panel, all tied together with sophisticated energy-management software. The system, branded BionX, is already popular among cycling enthusiasts. Magna Marque plans to leverage the in-house engineering clout of its parent company to grow BionX into the world's most advanced – and most desired – e-bike propulsion system.

Gingl may be on to something. One in seven bicycles sold today are battery-assisted. Sales of electric bicycles reached 23 million in 2008, more than 90 per cent made and sold in China, according to Electric Bikes Worldwide Reports. It predicts the market will more than double by 2012.

About 730,000 e-bikes were sold in North America and Europe last year, and sales are expected to quadruple by 2011. "The idea is to not use highways as much, to not fill underground parking lots. It's good for you as exercise, it's good for the environment, and it doesn't need much space, " says Gingl. "It's just an all-around great idea."

That's what Lee Iacocca thought in 1997 when, a few years after retiring as chairman of Chrysler Corp., he founded e-bike company EV Global Motors. Iacocca told his shareholders e-bikes would lead the "electric revolution" and pave the way for electric cars. He predicted U.S. sales of a million a year.

Twelve years later, e-bike sales in the United States only recently surpassed 200,000 annually. EV Global eventually faded away.

Frank Jamerson, an e-bike industry consultant who was once assistant manager for General Motors Corp.'s EV1 electric car program, says Iacocca was simply ahead of his time. "His idea was to sell electric bikes through car dealers, but dealers aren't interested in selling a $1,500 item when they're used to selling a $30,000 item."

Jamerson says Magna, on the other hand, is entering the market at the right moment. Gasoline prices are high and destined to keep rising, concerns over climate change and smog have gone mainstream and there's growing interest in the potential of electric transportation and advancements in battery technology.

Magna Marque has already started to benefit from these trends. Fewer than 8,000 units of the BionX systems were sold in 2008, but this year the company expects to sell more than 40,000 and "well over" 100,000 systems in 2010, says Gingl. He predicts the business will generate a "few hundred million" in sales in two or three years.

Over the past 18 months Magna Marque has been able to create more than 90 new jobs – not much for a company whose parent boasts 70,000 employees worldwide, but it's still early days.

"The awareness is starting to come," says Jamerson. "They're doing what I proposed at General Motors 15 years ago."

In his view, countries that can get people comfortable with e-bikes will have an easier time transitioning to electric cars. "The Chinese now have 100 million folks who are ready to buy electric cars because they're already plugging in their bikes at night."

Gingl, a tinkerer by nature, first started "playing" with bicycles about seven years ago out of a workshop on his private estate. At the time he wasn't thinking about electric propulsion. Instead, his focus was on designing an ultralight bike made out of injection-moulded magnesium that could also be folded for easy storage.

Borrowing from a high-tech process developed by Magna for making automotive parts, Gingl paid $1.5 million out of his own pocket to have four prototype magnesium bikes produced. It would be a good test of the new moulding process. The process worked; the bikes looked fabulous. But for Gingl it wasn't enough. Something was missing. "There's got to be more to a bicycle," he thought, later realizing that the missing link was the need for motor assistance.

At first he designed a small, self-contained motor packaged with a gas tank that could be snapped onto the bottom of a bike. It worked fine, but the exhaust smelled when it was running. That put Gingl on the path to electric propulsion and sparked a worldwide hunt for the right technology.

After three years of searching the globe he ended up finding what he needed in his own backyard. EPS of Asbestos, Que., was a tiny operation but had proven itself a leader in e-bike propulsion, power storage and energy management. It was also only an eight-hour drive from Magna's Aurora headquarters.

Since becoming part of Magna, EPS has flourished. Virtually every major bicycle maker, including big names such as Cannondale, Giant and Hercules, is now in talks about integrating the BionX system with their bikes. EPS is already producing units for Trek in Germany, and later this month Trek USA is to launch a BionX-based e-bike.

Gord Hall, senior vice-president of operations, says Magna Marque wants to become the e-bike industry's Shimano, the world's leading bicycle components manufacturer. E-bikes would be "Powered by BionX" in the same way that personal computers have "Intel Inside."

The company is also developing an intelligent e-bike rack – potentially powered by solar panels – that could be sold along with several BionX-powered cycles and placed within resorts, gated communities, university and corporate campuses, and at tourist sites such as the Toronto Islands. The vision is to replicate the bicycle-sharing scheme recently introduced in Montreal and pioneered in Paris, but using electric bikes instead, potentially piggybacking the car-share networks developed by companies such as Zipcar.

"I really think we're on to something here," says Gingl, beaming as he talks about the road ahead. He wants to expand the concept to watercraft such as paddleboats.

"If you would have asked me two years ago I don't know if there was anybody serious about it except myself and a few people around me. Now it's almost to the point of, like, `Wow!' We've got 300 to 400 per cent growth."

And what does Frank think? "Frank likes it a lot," says Gingl, who says he's proud of how the business is blossoming. "Especially in this worst of times in the auto industry."
 
Shimano has an engineering research budget of about 40 percent of their profits, that is why it is the best company.

We are talking upwards of 100 million dlrs in r and d every year.

The only project that i know that has that kind of research capability, is the MIT wheel, the incorporates the battery and controller inside the hub, and uses a bluetooth throttle with no wires.
 
I don't think Bionx is going to make it. Bionx forces you to pedal. I like systems where I can choose to pedal or not.
 
morph999 said:
I don't think Bionx is going to make it. Bionx forces you to pedal. I like systems where I can choose to pedal or not.
Yep.

Pedalecs are for China and retrograde-lawed socialist societies such as Euroland, et all.

Simple is as simple does. Shimano has all the proven, worthy, SIMPLE technology (the Nexus lines of robust, internal geared hubs).

Simple is the hub-motored wheel. Not ideal, but it works and it allows a bike to look like a bike instead of an exposed, complex Cyclone-type-derailleur
mechanical monstrosity; whether that be all covered over in styled plastic mud covers: it's still exposed chain and gearing, and so, for some: a Giant off-put:
it's COMPLEX and its fugly.

Giant's line of ebikes are growing simpler, but not cheaper to buy. They say, by appearances: "I'm a geek-freak biker, an old lady, and please, steal this bike.

Forrest here :lol: champions for "simple is as simple does. The eZee front drive serves for most riders. A thumb throttle. Total control, smooth, silent,
on a basic single speed coaster brake bike: no clicking ratchets and pawls. Dead silent coasting, and a light 'whir' under power.

I think...I am highly prejudiced, but hey: I am hardly impartial, and I have no hills to climb, and no need to optimize motor spin speed to road speed,
as per possible with a cyclone-type of drive. Three gears, or a nuvinci rear drive for pedal assist, no pedalec sensor or brake lever kill switch wanted.

I know of NO automobile, that CUTS the throttle when brakes are applied. People KNOW to take their foot off the gas in cars,
so why have mandated in ChinaOzzieEuroland, brake power-cut levers and such?

LET GO the g-d throttle and brake, just as in a car, sez I, the pundit with an attitude against excess complication, and Glorified ebikes,

MARKET will open as ebikes become better in quality, lower in price, with only the bare, wanted essentials:

A hub motor, front is simplest and a front rim or disk brake, and a few gears, optional in flat land, but needed in hilly terrain.

My, but I never am modest. I am....ASHOLIERTHANTHOUALL

Times are tough and money is tight. We don't need three grand ebikes, any more than we need Currie SLA entry-level, break-o-matics.
 
Semi random semi thoughts:

Bionx and Giant do not appeal to this E-S crowd of tinkerers, but since 95% of the US cannot even assemble a sandwich when hungry, Bionx and Giant do have a customer base here.

Most people who buy Bionx also purchase the optional throttle, which once under way, will enable one to not have to pedal under moderate load conditions. Bionx is known as the most bicyle like kit, for those that have this as a priority.

To me, both automatic pedal assist and power on demand, makes for the best control system for most ebike buyers. Bionx control system is the best in the trade, but their properitary closed system technology, coupled with less than 'best in class' power, leaves some with needs that Bionx cannot fulfill. But Bionx does deliver the goods for a majority of users, at a $$ price. Especially for people with light weight and moderate power as a priority. The Regen is good for long downhill braking, and for Public Relations types, but not for actually charging your battery much.

Out in my garage is a 5 year old Giant Lafree Lite ebike. Runs great (but no throttle). Chain drive, so keep that chain lubed. No failures other than an annual flat tire. thousands and thousands of miles logged. original battery. Second chain. Does not fail in torrential rain storms, Still has a range of over 25 miles, has an extra large frame that makes pedalling very efficient for me. Original cost $1100 on sale. Top speed 18mph and climbs all hills in my town. In the trade it is known as being the closest to a Toyota of all ebikes. all repair parts still available (It never had brake handle cutoff switches, thank goodness). You can fix the battery if you need to. The new $2k+ Giant Twist (15mph top speed )is several steps backwards compared to that Lafree Lite. Seems when Giant Ebikes lost their Ebike head man Fred Teeman to retirement, they lost focus.

Coincidentally, I just finished reading several articles about battery chemistry and plug-in-hybrid car futures. Toyota is staying with NIMH because of its proven looong term reliability, and Peugot is also going NIMH, for what that is worth.

Auto critics think that US buyers are too lazy or stupid or something to plug in their cars at night. Toyota thinks real long term pack warranties (100k miles?) trumps everything on fancy battery claims.

Toyota is now coming out with Prius style hybrid systems in its smallest cars. Seems someone FINALLY understands that keeping vehicles really small and light extends economics in many ways.

So why not have a very small micro vehicle with significant NIMH battery pack, a small ICE engine, and a plug in charger?

"Toyota does not see a market for a short range car with unknown reliability."

"Would you buy an electric car with a range on a full charge of 30-40 miles needing 8 hours for a recharge for $40,000 when you can get a 700 mile range at 50 miles to the gallon Ford Fusion for $30,000 or a 500 mile range at 50 miles to the gallon Toyota or Honda vehicle for between $18,000 and $25,000? If so you're a Chevrolet Volt customer."


go to www.Evworld.com and read their weekly newsletter, especially:

Michigan Firm Develops Lower-Price Plug-in Prius Kit

Peugeot Expands Use of Rare Earth Based Batteries....

http://seekingalpha.com/article/133466-the-plug-in-vehicle-scam (and comments)
 
Just a quick note on throttles and brakes, I believe that EVERY U.S. car has a circuit that cuts the cruise control throttle when its brakes are applied.

I do though agree with the brake lever/throttle switch problem; that circuit caused more problems on the EVGlobal ebike than any other part of the bike. It would have been nice on my Lafree lite; it would enable me to sit at a stoplight with a foot on a high pedal and not have the bike try to lurch forward. The constant dilema--- features vs simplicity.

Oh to have the power of a Cylone 5oow, the reliability of a Giant, the control system of a Bionx, the open source of crystalyte.

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deardancer3 said:
............. but their proprietary closed system technology....

How many customers know that, BEFORE they buy it ?
And how many of them learn it only when they need to replace a part ? ( Usually after warranty period )
( $$$ Bring your cash, sucker, I mean dear customer $$$ )
Say goodbye to freedom of choice with these systems.
I would not buy such a system, knowingly. Would you ?
 
Takemehome said:
Say goodbye to freedom of choice with these systems.
I would not buy such a system, knowingly. Would you ?

I am about to buy my third system.

As mentioned earlier, this board is a bunch of tinkerers and closed proprietary systems are not for them.

But the majority of US citizens have no business listening to the hype of ebike hucster scam artist that they dont know how to analyze .

There are pluses and minus to open and closed technology systems. Ask Apple.

There are thousands and thousands of happy Bionx customers that dont care about it being a closed system. They dont mind the cost of batteries. they like making one phone call and the needed parts are available and on the way when requested. Try that with your local open system crystalyte dealer who may not know what connector you have on your 4 year old system.

To us that tinker and make ebikes our lives, we have a different outlook than the folks that just want to ride the things and use them like any other household product. If they have a problem, they call the manufacturer for advise and parts. No sourcing for parts, no describing connector shape and counting pins.

I had a customer that wanted it to be my fault because I did not tell her to check her tire pressures on her ebike. then she left her ebike outside all winter- It was my fault when it rusted. another customer wanted it to be my fault that their headset bearings went bad after putting on a Bionx rear hub motor. Still another said I was wrong for not trying to put his 9 speed slide on casette on their Bionx thread on freewheel mount. Yet another story was when a customer was told to disconnect power from the controller, cut the cable to the battery instead of seperating the plugs.

These are the typical users that need 'one stop shopping closed sytems' that they cant screw up cause some weeny told them to try a 48volt battery on a 36v system. But No, not the folks that hang here . Unless they like that Bionx better than the other products.
 
morph999 said:
I don't think Bionx is going to make it. Bionx forces you to pedal. I like systems where I can choose to pedal or not.

It's fascinating to listen to people who think they are expert in something that they don't even own! And here's prime example.

The Bionx system actually has 2 operation modes. The throttle option was only offered on the P-250 and the PL-250 before mid-2008 year. All higher end models come with throttle control as standard, but after late 2008 and 2009 onwards (dealers must have latest stock), all models come with thumb activated throttle control.

The infamous pedal assist option is what EPS touted as being a unique feature of the Bionx (the strain gauge). But what most people don't realize is the second mode. The throttle control on the Bionx is basically on or off. But what's unique about this throttle is that it gives full power in a controlled manner. If you engage the throttle full on (I use a rubber band), it seems to vary the power output of the motor based on the terrain to achieve an ideal speed set by the top speed function (default is 20mph) while maintaining some power consumption efficiency. It sort of behave like cruise control -- in fact, the top speed can be re-set to a lower cruising speed. I use this throttle on feature ALL THE TIME, especially on the highway I ride on. Since the Bionx system has a kill throttle switch mounted on the brake lever, you can kill cruise control simply by engaging the lever. Re-gen kicks in and this saves your brake pads somewhat.

As a matter of fact, Cycle Analyst also has cruise control too and it works very similarly to the Bionx with full throttle on. With the CA, you set the max speed, max amp, iTermMax,iTerm Min and on and on to customize the rise and fall of the cruising control speed to suit your needs! Again, I use CA's cruise control feature very frequently on that same stretch highway. The only difference is, I don't have a throttle kill switch to end cruise control. I need to release the throttle. The beauty of this automated cruise control feature is that, I don't need to watch the meter like a hawk. Ride the bike, not continually adjust the throttle because you're watching your power consumption like a manual non-computerized ebike does.

Anyhow, coming back to the topic of Magna wanting to become Shimano of e-bikes. Bionx is obviously targeting the current cycling crowd, not people with a car / transit culture bias. I think it is great if e-bikes are able to leave some people's cars at home. Most of the car / transit culture people will not adjust to pedaling. This only attracts people who are already engaging or plan to in a fitness program -- current cycling crowd, though some people becomes fitter after riding ebikes. That's great.
Unfortunately though, I just don't see ebikes going any further in terms of expanding sales, other than side sales as secondary vehicle to the car they have. But then, there's already a push to make greener cars and this is North America (not Europe), so what happens when greener cars become affordable and operating costs become attractive? We've already seen it in the mid to late 70s when the bike boom began and then went bust as oil prices ease. The same will happen to ebikes when greener cars present a cheaper transportation alternative.

Another problem I see is with the range of these e-bikes. Most e-bikes that are sold today with light battery packs (8ah-10ah) are limited to about 15-25 miles range. That's great for short range commuting, but then it becomes a problem for longer range because battery packs get heavier, and inadvertently the bikes get a lot more heavier as well. Who wants to carry a heavy 36v 20ah LIFEPO4 pack around while doing your shopping round if you happen to live in a Suburb?
What about the weather? Are they willing to ride in the rain, snow and windstorm? And how many people ride gasoline powered motorcycles on the road?

The reality is that, ebikes provide a good alternative to short range commuting with easy access to bike parking and transit amenities, where it makes more sense biking that driving. Cheaper and more environmentally friendly and a place safe enough so you can either store it indoors or lock it in a good secure area. Most of the time, we need to remove the battery for security reasons. This limits some to a number of outdoor options if there are no places to store the battery securely. If you want to go on a hike, would you carry your 10lbs Lithium or 13lbs Nicad on your back pack?!? Wouldn't I just ride my regular bike then? I would and I do and so do a lot of cyclists that I asked. And this is not not limited to just ebikers. Cyclists are reluctant to leave their nice bikes locked on the trail head or even on the ferry terminal. A friend of mine got his Kona Jake ripped simply by parking the bike outside, locked with a Krytonite NY lock and sailed to the island to see a friend. Came back with only the lock. They sawed the frame off!
Unless all of these problems are addressed appropriately, they will always posed a barrier for new entrants into the ebiking world.
 
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