Massachusetts may consider a mileage charge

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BOSTON - A tentative plan to overhaul Massachusetts' transportation system by using GPS chips to charge motorists a quarter-cent for every mile behind the wheel has angered some drivers. "It's outrageous, it's kind of Orwellian, Big Brotherish," said Sen. Scott Brown, R-Wrentham, who drafted legislation last week to prohibit the practice. "You'd need a whole new department of cronies just to keep track of it." But a "Vehicle Miles Traveled" program like the one the governor may unveil this week has already been tested , with positive results , in Oregon. Governors in Idaho and Rhode Island, as well as the federal government, also are talking about such programs. And in North Carolina, a panel suggested in December the state start charging motorists a quarter-cent for every mile as a substitute for the gas tax.

"The Big Brother issue was identified during the first meeting of the task force that developed our program," said Jim Whitty, who oversees innovation projects for the Oregon Department of Transportation. "Everything we did from that point forward, even though we used electronics, was to eliminate those concerns." A draft overhaul transport plan prepared for Gov. Deval Patrick says implementing a Vehicle Miles Traveled system to replace the gas tax makes sense. "A user-based system, collected electronically, is a fair way to pay for our transportation needs in the future," it says. Patrick, who had yet to settle on any of the ideas contained in the draft, told reporters last week, "I like any idea that is faster, cheaper, simpler." The idea behind the program is simple: As cars become more fuel efficient or powered by electricity, gas tax revenues decline. Yet the cost of building and maintaining roads and bridges is increasing. A state could cover that gap by charging drivers precisely for the mileage their vehicles put on public roads. "There needs to be a new way of thinking about, `How do we pay for all of this?'" said Richard Dimino, president of A Better City, a business-friendly group that considers transportation issues.

"One of the ways is thinking about the automobile like a utility: When we turn on our automobile and use it, we would be charged like we do when we turn on the lights and we start using electricity." In Oregon, the state paid volunteers who let the transportation department install GPS receivers in 300 vehicles. The device did not transmit a signal , which would allow real-time tracking of a driver's movements , but instead passively received satellite pings telling the receiver where it was in terms of latitude and longitude coordinates. The state used those coordinates to determine when the vehicle was driving both within Oregon and outside the state. And it measured the respective distances through a connection with the vehicle's odometer. When a driver pulled into a predetermined service station, the pump linked electronically with the receiver, downloaded the number of miles driven in Oregon and then charged the driver a fee based on the distance. The gas tax they would have paid was reduced by the amount of the user fee. Drivers continued to be charged gas tax for miles driven outside Oregon.

Under such systems, one of which is already used in London, drivers are charged more for entering a crowded area during rush hour than off-peak periods. "What the mileage charge does, if it's structured properly, is simply charge for the basic responsibility of people to pay for the amount of wear they put on the state's roads," said Whitty, whose state is still considering the mechanics of broadening the program.

Massachusetts may consider a mileage charge
 
I guess they got a big bill for the big dig eh? In a way, it beats a gas tax, because it actually taxes wear on the road, not how much your car wastes. But it is pretty orwellian.
 
Hmmm Heavy rigs wear the roads more than light rigs ,maybe , heavy rigs burn more gas than light rigs for sure.

Heavy truck vs motorcycle, Same rate per mile?

Let the gas hogs pay.
 
It seems highly likely there's a connection between weight and the amount of wear on the roads(There's a greater amount of force exerted on the roads during braking, for example.). This is why the "mileage rate" should also be adjusted by the weight of the vehicle.
 
swbluto said:
It seems highly likely there's a connection between weight and the amount of wear on the roads(There's a greater amount of force exerted on the roads during braking, for example.). This is why the "mileage rate" should also be adjusted by the weight of the vehicle.

So how do we do that? Weigh every vehicle every time it rolls down the road? What if a truck has nothing that it is hauling, or maybe it's hauling a front end loader. So there may be 10,000 pounds difference here. The only reason they are planning on this sort of " tax" is because the electric vehicle is on the rise, check out the auto shows, all manufacturers are going with some sort of electric vehicle. It's another way to make sure everyone stays in line.
 
Icewrench said:
Hmmm Heavy rigs wear the roads more than light rigs ,maybe , heavy rigs burn more gas than light rigs for sure.

Heavy truck vs motorcycle, Same rate per mile?

Let the gas hogs pay.
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Ya gotta pay for the roads somehow. Hopefully based proportionally on use/wear.

Mileage charge is broken: lighter, more efficient vehicles extend the life of roadways.

Fuel taxes may still be the closest method to "fair".
 
I love it! This will have the unintended consequence of making the suburbanites pay though the nose. Those that live close to where they work will pay less those that have long commutes will pay more. Finally a government program to fight urban sprawl ! ( at least until they put in a surburbanite tax exeption.)
 
Lessss said:
I love it! This will have the unintended consequence of making the suburbanites pay though the nose. Those that live close to where they work will pay less those that have long commutes will pay more. Finally a government program to fight urban sprawl ! ( at least until they put in a surburbanite tax exeption.)

They kind of already do that with a gas tax. The more miles you drive, the more gas you buy, and thus the more tax revenue they receive.

But, if you really want suburbanites to be extra-penalized, I think the mileage rates would have to be tiered. On a monthly basis, the first 1000 miles is 10 cents/mile, the next 1000 is 20 cents/mile, the next 1000 is 30 cents/mile, etc. etc.
 
johnws6 said:
swbluto said:
It seems highly likely there's a connection between weight and the amount of wear on the roads(There's a greater amount of force exerted on the roads during braking, for example.). This is why the "mileage rate" should also be adjusted by the weight of the vehicle.

So how do we do that? Weigh every vehicle every time it rolls down the road? What if a truck has nothing that it is hauling, or maybe it's hauling a front end loader. So there may be 10,000 pounds difference here. The only reason they are planning on this sort of " tax" is because the electric vehicle is on the rise, check out the auto shows, all manufacturers are going with some sort of electric vehicle. It's another way to make sure everyone stays in line.

Well, you could charge by the weight of the vehicle, for starters. That wouldn't account for any extra cargo it is carrying, but it'd at least be somewhat proportional the amount of wear the average vehicle of that type does on the road. As far as personal vehicles go, the percentage of time something significantly heavy is hauled is pretty small anyways.
 
They are talking aabout the same thing in Denmark think they alrady got the system worked out in Holland are just waiting to put it to use. I wouldnt mind since we got 180% tax on any new cars or motorcycles. With the gps tax cars/motorcycles are cheap to buy but you pay for how much you actually use the road and polute in the cities.
 
There already is huge taxes put on truckers (weight fees imposed monthly). So before its implied that the heavy trucks dont pay enough they actually pay ALOT more than the average commuter.
Are you willing to pay more at the grocery store? Willing to pay more for gas? Willing to pay more for anything that needs to be trucked in? Willing to pay more for postal services?.
Willing to pay more for any kind of service (like plumbers,electricians ect..).


I dont, and I really dont like the idea of them knowing where I am at all the time.
 
For me yes, it is consider as a mileage charge because massachussettes has a extraordinary way,, thanks for the information about Massachussettes.

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