el_walto
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Does anyone buy into this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nd13ARuvVE&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nd13ARuvVE&feature=player_embedded
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el_walto
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It looks like he is just shifting the gears on the video.
It seems like a pretty crazy claim to make that he is using a motor. Especially since these videos were from 1993?
Also there is the fact that those little motors make a lot of sound and the other riders would hear it in some of those situations.
This is probably just a viral video / PR stunt for gruber.
It seems like a pretty crazy claim to make that he is using a motor. Especially since these videos were from 1993?
Also there is the fact that those little motors make a lot of sound and the other riders would hear it in some of those situations.
This is probably just a viral video / PR stunt for gruber.
dogman dan
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You'd hear that motor. But.... not on those cobbles. And If I have the right race, he did do a bike switch late in the race. Hmm.
Easy fix though, just start weighing the bikes after the race for the first ten riders. But back in the peloton, where nobody looks at your bike, the domestiques are going to love it. Till the other guys find out. Hmm, weren't there just a shitload of crashes early in the Giro? The peloton can be a harsh enviroment for a known cheater.
Of course, the reality is Fabian peaked his training for the spring classics. Look at the TDF field this year and you'll see why. Too many good riders back from thier dopers vacation. And then on top of that, guys like the Schleks poised to rule the race for a few years. So Fabian just kissed TDF goodbye and trained for spring.
Easy fix though, just start weighing the bikes after the race for the first ten riders. But back in the peloton, where nobody looks at your bike, the domestiques are going to love it. Till the other guys find out. Hmm, weren't there just a shitload of crashes early in the Giro? The peloton can be a harsh enviroment for a known cheater.
Of course, the reality is Fabian peaked his training for the spring classics. Look at the TDF field this year and you'll see why. Too many good riders back from thier dopers vacation. And then on top of that, guys like the Schleks poised to rule the race for a few years. So Fabian just kissed TDF goodbye and trained for spring.
The one they talk about and advertise you might hear. But maybe they have one with all nylon gears and a quieter drive motor.
On one hand you have losing the time with a bike swap or two which would eat up time and draw alot of attention if it was repeated each race won and even if it is tiny the additional weight and just hte sheer power pros can put out.
My thinking with my assist though was give me a few more watts not drive me. Since the pro riders are on the edge of bonking and just getting dropped giving them 200, 100 or maybe even just 50 watts to keep their peak lower might mean they can have a reserve and they might have one more match to light and take off later in the race or to keep up with a sprint/break.
On one hand you have losing the time with a bike swap or two which would eat up time and draw alot of attention if it was repeated each race won and even if it is tiny the additional weight and just hte sheer power pros can put out.
My thinking with my assist though was give me a few more watts not drive me. Since the pro riders are on the edge of bonking and just getting dropped giving them 200, 100 or maybe even just 50 watts to keep their peak lower might mean they can have a reserve and they might have one more match to light and take off later in the race or to keep up with a sprint/break.
dogman dan
1 PW
A peloton is pretty loud. But once out there with just the top few riders, they'd hear it on smooth road.
You'd have to do the bike change trick, nobody is going to carry an extra pound for 100 or more miles.
You'd have to do the bike change trick, nobody is going to carry an extra pound for 100 or more miles.
vanilla ice
1 MW
From what I've seen the factory bikes are so light they use weights to get back up to meet minimum weight. If that is the case.. no problems there.
dogman dan
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Yeah, I'm sure they will carbon part those motors down to the same weight as the lead slugs they have in the seatpost now. I'm not sure though, if all races have the weight limits. TDF does for sure, but I never heard about other races. The spring classics though, they tend to ride a heavy bike so they don't end up like Hincape did that one year. He had the handlebars snap right off.
But when Fabian switched bikes this year, ( I think it was in Paris Roubaix?) More likely he chucked his heavy durable cobble bike, for one with a really light wheelset for the final 20K. That was his advantage on that one race. But the next one he won, I never saw him do the bike switch.
But when Fabian switched bikes this year, ( I think it was in Paris Roubaix?) More likely he chucked his heavy durable cobble bike, for one with a really light wheelset for the final 20K. That was his advantage on that one race. But the next one he won, I never saw him do the bike switch.
Drunkskunk
100 GW
That just can't be real. It has to be some kind of PR stunt.
But I want one. That thing looks cool!
But I want one. That thing looks cool!
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A NY Times blog picked it up:
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/05/cycling-allegation-propelled-by-video/
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/05/cycling-allegation-propelled-by-video/
Dogman, Yep all UCI races have bike inspections and a ~15.0 lb minimum. Almost all the mnaufacturers have their 55cm bikes around 15 but some smaller guys (who ride smaller frames) have to have weights. They tend to "use" up the whole 15 lbs on components and the frames are about 950 grams. As components get lighter the UCI limits will require more "added weight". I have a 61 cm bike that weighs in at 15.0 with race wheels. A few years ago that was IMPOSSIBLE, or at least impractical.
This is completely possible. I've actually brainstormed such a design back when I was racing as a junior.... wait no, I first though of this exact design when I was about 7 years old, racing my crappy huffy bike around the campground. I wanted to go faster and imagined I had a motor in the bottom bracket.
With today's high technology, an assist motor of 100-200watts (which is all you need to crush the other racers, assuming you are all the same fitness) is entirely possible, and could be designed to be quiet enough to not be heard, especially in extremely noisy race situations like on the cobbles and with all those fans cheering.
I've been in bike races where if I had an extra 100watts, even for just 1 minute, (TINY battery), I would of crushed my competition.
100watts is HUGE in bike racing. It's the difference between anaerobic and completely sustainable aerobic effort. (350w vs 450w) It'd allow me to climb the mtns in the tour alongside the top guys. (I'm a decent amateur roadie).
I see this sort of technology, as enabling cycling commuters the ULTIMATE stealth assist. I could race around town at 30+mph and if cop stopped me, he'd have nothing on me. Nothing illegal about a cyclist going 35mph on 'his own leg power' in a 35mph zone. I'm excited about it and hope there could be such motors in development. Although it's a pretty weak sportsmanship move.
With today's high technology, an assist motor of 100-200watts (which is all you need to crush the other racers, assuming you are all the same fitness) is entirely possible, and could be designed to be quiet enough to not be heard, especially in extremely noisy race situations like on the cobbles and with all those fans cheering.
I've been in bike races where if I had an extra 100watts, even for just 1 minute, (TINY battery), I would of crushed my competition.
100watts is HUGE in bike racing. It's the difference between anaerobic and completely sustainable aerobic effort. (350w vs 450w) It'd allow me to climb the mtns in the tour alongside the top guys. (I'm a decent amateur roadie).
I see this sort of technology, as enabling cycling commuters the ULTIMATE stealth assist. I could race around town at 30+mph and if cop stopped me, he'd have nothing on me. Nothing illegal about a cyclist going 35mph on 'his own leg power' in a 35mph zone. I'm excited about it and hope there could be such motors in development. Although it's a pretty weak sportsmanship move.
docnjoj
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Hey Miles!
This might be the American way to do it!????? It's a start!
otherDoc
http://www.astroflight.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=5&products_id=72
This might be the American way to do it!????? It's a start!
otherDoc
http://www.astroflight.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=5&products_id=72
docnjoj
1 GW
The crowd at the finish of a race is prolly yelling at 100 dba and you would never hear the whine. That is when you use it! Hi Miles! You might get away with it once or twice but don't use it in a claiming race! :lol:
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docnjoj
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I just saw a Formula One race and those guys must spend billions on those cars. That is the European way!
otherDoc
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TylerDurden
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€€€ and €€€€€€....docnjoj said:
docnjoj
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Hey Tyler
Where do you get the Euro symbol?
otherDoc
Where do you get the Euro symbol?
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