Minimum motor needed to climb hills - Seattle size hills!

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I have absolutely no technical knowledge so please bear with me. I am looking into the feasibility of converting a traditional bicycle into an electric hybrid for commuting to and from work. It would only be 3 or 4 miles each way, but since I live in Seattle, there are some pretty steep hills along the way.

Can anyone help me figure out what size battery and motor I would need? Again, I know nothing about this so if you could explain if I need to look for cc size, volt size, torque... ?

Thanks!!
Amy
 
Not sure what size you'd need specifically; part of that is based on how much mass you need to move at what speed up what degree of hill.

But I would go with either a geared hub motor if you prefer an in-wheel motor for mechanical simplicity, or a chain-drive setup that goes thru your regular pedal chain for efficiency (meaning you can probably get away with a smaller motor and a smaller battery pack to do the same job).
 
(looking around to make sure wifey is not about)

HELLO sexy brains :)

As amber has said geared hub is what you want , as long as you dont have to carry the bike up a stairway at work or home a hub motor is your best bet. easy to install . no chain . proven ebike motor.
 
Well, you got us to look. Brains are sexy too.

But back to the subject at hand. Under 5 miles, even the crappiest ebikes work fine, but hills are another matter. The site I like for finding out how steep a hill is is calle Map My Ride. Once you know how steep, you can decide if you need a gearmotor, or a monster direct drive or what.

My rule of thumb is , under 5% hill grades, all the 500 watt and above direct drive motors work ok at 36v. Direct drive is the kind that is nearly totally silent, and is happiest when run about 15 mph or faster. A 9 continent motor, sold as Ebikekit by one good vendor, handles 7% just fine with 36v. This motor is a bit larger diameter, and the extra leverage helps it climb.

Another approach is the gearmotor. This type is usually lighter and smaller, and better at traveling slower up steep grades without overheating . The motor inside spins faster, and a planetary gear inside results in good pull at normal speeds. These motors also feature a freewheel inside that makes pedaling easier if the motor is not used. Often lower wattage than dd motors, they climb great, but possibly a bit slower than a dd motor that has more power avaliable.

Look at Ebikes-ca and EbikeKit websites for motors, both excellent vendors you can trust with great customer service. You need to choose the motor first, and then based on the motor, controller, and the kind of riding distance and grades, choose the battery.

The battery will need to be big enough to power the motor up hills without killing itself. You will be maxing the power climbing hills constantly, but range will not be a problem since a powerfull enough battery will have 10-25 miles of range. Lithium is the best, but often it is sold in a 10 amp hour size for bike kits. While quite adequate for normal riding, I like to advise a larger size battery for steep hills. Some can provide enough amps in 10 ah size, and some can't. I'd be looking at the battery specifications, and find one that puts out 30 amps continuous power or more. Many of the lifepo4 batteries in 10 ah size put out only 20 amps continuous. Some other lithium chemistries can do better LiMn, or better quality batteries like A123 lifepo4, pack a punch in a small package. Mostly those are found in drill batteries, and several can be strung together to get big power in a small package. That way you don't need to carry a big battery box.

The approach I used myself, was to simply buy a bigger size lifepo4 pack. That suited me best since I ride 15 miles one way. Pingbattery is a good source for that. 48v 15 ah powering my ebikekit motor gets me up 7% grades at 18 mph. The whole thing costs about $1000, motor and battery.
 
sexybrains said:
I have absolutely no technical knowledge so please bear with me. I am looking into the feasibility of converting a traditional bicycle into an electric hybrid for commuting to and from work. It would only be 3 or 4 miles each way, but since I live in Seattle, there are some pretty steep hills along the way.

Can anyone help me figure out what size battery and motor I would need? Again, I know nothing about this so if you could explain if I need to look for cc size, volt size, torque... ?

Thanks!!
Amy

I'm in Seattle, and I always enjoy a sexy-brainy woman. :) We should meet. :)

What you're looking for to enable the bike to climb is a torque value at the rear wheel. Knowing this figure, along with the vehicle+Amy weight, and the slope of the hill makes it pretty easy to find out if the bike can climb the hill.

Any amount of power, no matter how weak, can climb any hill given the right gearing. However, the amount of power will determine how fast you can climb the hill.

It's completely reasonable to find you a setup that will zip you to work and home almost silently, never needing to take a pedal stroke if you're not in the mood, and then re-charge again at home in under an hour.

Getting an idea of the budget will be the determining factor on what setup will be best for your application.

-Luke
 
Welcome! Do you already have a bike that you want to convert? or are you open to buying a new or used bike for E-conversion? Some bike frames are better suited to certain types of kits than others (may limit options).

As you've mentioned, hill-climbing torque is one of the most important performance characteristics you need (without overheating the motor and controller), and you mention that the range needed is short (at least that factor is good news).

An important factor you need to decide on is, what is the highest top speed you want on level ground. Lower speed is better for hill-torque, but be realistic now so you won't be disappointed after spending lots of money and the bike is then too slow.

Last, what is your budget?, and I mean for everything...

Already have a bike, or need to buy one?
Top speed desired on flats?
How much money can you spend?....
 
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