Model S Fire - Boeing sabotages Tesla

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http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/22249-Model-S-Fire-Occupants-Boeing-employees
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this is important maybe
They locked my account on post 2

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Source 1
http://www.ibtimes.com/tesla-model-s-driver-hits-object-hov-lane-near-kent-washington-car-smokes-catches-fire-lithium

According to the Regional Fire Authority of Kent, Wash., 20 miles south of downtown Seattle, the driver of a black Model S, identified as Steve Emmert

Source 2
http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/v2_article_large/public/2013/10/02/tesla-model-s-accident-report.jpg

B71<09:09:51>,ROB CARLSON
 
Now that's starting to sound like a competent design :) They are ducts though and must stay open, while what comes out is self fueled to start with. The initial burn might have to make it out.
 
So far Tesla has the best battery design. The use a goo between cells with enough space it stops the cascade of the whole battery. In this case from what I have read it saved 1/2 or more of the battery form fire.
When a charged battery has to release its energy its likely to be fire so the best you can do is let it burn in a controlled manner and try to stop it from catching other cells.

In 2011 186,500 ICE cars caught fire in the US!
 
NPR this morning reported the driver ran over a large metal object. My first thought was that the battery was probably impaled.

The falling stock price can't be reasonably seen as anything but an idiotic reaction. That any model of car will eventually experience fires in the course of normal operation is a statistical inevitability. To invest heavily in Tesla and then pull out the moment the first fire happens is the action of an investor who has no idea what he's invested in--or, as others suggest, is trying to manipulate things. A123 got painted with the Fisker fires, yet every one of them had NOTHING to do with the Li traction battery. They were all sourced by the 12V LA battery. (Bloggers made similar comments about Li reacting with water in the storm Sandy event--pure ignorant blather.) How many other cars burned that day, and what to they run on? Any deaths?

Jesus people, even the spaceships in the movies from the future explode when they crash. Nation of idiots.
 
They ended up posting my source at the tesla forum but then moved the thread to off topic for privacy concerns (and I got locked again) even though the name of the driver was already printed in a GLOBAL business newspaper who does hard fact checking

I'm still trying to get further confirmation as there is some confusion as the owner may not have been the driver
 
i follow the Coparts insurance auctions, and can bid since i am a member, and seattle is not too far for me to tow so i am gonna watch and see if that car turns up at the auction after it is totaled by the insurance company. as if i don't already have enuff junkers here.
 
dnmun said:
i follow the Coparts insurance auctions, and can bid since i am a member, and seattle is not too far for me to tow so i am gonna watch and see if that car turns up at the auction after it is totaled by the insurance company. as if i don't already have enuff junkers here.

No way. That car will be analyzed to death by Tesla and then either preserved for posterity or sent to the scrapper.
 
flathill said:
They ended up posting my source at the tesla forum but then moved the thread to off topic for privacy concerns (and I got locked again) even though the name of the driver was already printed in a GLOBAL business newspaper who does hard fact checking

My experience suggests you presume too much about the veracity of information you read in the press, especially in a story so young.
 
for sure but I do not expect the media to investigate a possible link to boeing

investigative journalism is all but dead
so I turn to the power of the people on the internet
open source
group source
this is a dangerous game we play
but investigative journalism is all dead

here is the police report with the telephone numbers. If we can run a reverse lookup on rob carlson

we can know for sure rob whether rob is a boeing employee or a doctor

so far one doctor in seattle named rob carlson has disputed it was him on twitter so I'm still sticking to my story rob is a boeing employee unless proven otherwise

in any case it is a huge coincidence both names in the fire report stated TWO names that are boeing employees according to linkedin

http://www.autonews.com/assets/PDF/CA91061103.PDF

@rob_carlson
Dear reporters and stock analysts: Google has steered you wrong. I do not own a #Telsa. My non-existent Tesla did not catch fire yesterday.
 
flathill said:
for sure but I do not expect the media to investigate a possible link to boeing

investigative journalism is all but dead
so I turn to the power of the people on the internet
open source
group source
this is a dangerous game we play
but investigative journalism is all dead

here is the police report with the telephone numbers. If we can run a reverse lookup on rob carlson

we can know for sure rob whether rob is a boeing employee or a doctor

so far one doctor in seattle named rob carlson has disputed it was him on twitter so I'm still sticking to my story rob is a boeing employee unless proven otherwise

in any case it is a huge coincidence both names in the fire report stated TWO names that are boeing employees according to linkedin

http://www.autonews.com/assets/PDF/CA91061103.PDF

@rob_carlson
Dear reporters and stock analysts: Google has steered you wrong. I do not own a #Telsa. My non-existent Tesla did not catch fire yesterday.

In theory, "open source" news might seem more trustworthy, but I have found the blogosphere to be the source of the worst misinformation out there. Most bloggers and independent "reporters" have agendas even more pronounced than the MSM. LOTS of speculative BS from the Illiterati, as I like to call them.
 
thats the point
open source news fcking sucks
but we have no other option!!!
traditional print media is dying
and with it budgets for real investigative journalism

The title of this thread is classic YELLOW PRESS tradition

on purpose.

to draw attention to the reader in the hope they will prove me wrong
 
Doctorbass said:
Yes they does :wink:

They will find the truth, but TESLA HAVE TO PUT THEIR HAND ON THESE DATA ASAP !!

Tesla supply some of Training video and info that explain how to SAFELY cut power, acces the main components when a fire even happen.

Doc

Dear Lord... Have you seen the way they destroy the poor thing just to reach the DC-DC converter.... I am gonna cry!... :shock:
 
I also want to point out that every car on the road has a published first-responder guide. The idea that firefighters have no idea how to deal with these because of Tesla is nonsense. Whether local fire departments use that information effectively is another question. I've seen big city fire departments throw water onto battery fires before, to my horror. It's considered acceptable in a situation where the vehicle is considered a lost cause, and one simply wants to contain the damage to keep it from spreading beyond the burning vehicle. Cooling things down is important when doing that, hence the use of water. At least they didn't use a copper-powder-based Class D extinguisher. I've seen that before too :shock: . CO2 or something like Halotron are much preferred because they don't add to a shorted-pack situation by possibly making things worse the way water can. They're also better at cooling the fire than water. CO2 costs a lot more than water though, and this seems to be one of the main reasons dept's don't use it more. Perhaps this will change as EV technology proliferates.

Stranded energy is another issue. We don't put cars in a junkyard with gas in the tank. We shouldn't put EV's in a junkyard with significant charge left in any of the battery cells. Common sense should tell us this, but getting the energy out of a big broken battery pack is something for which there is no standard procedure. I don't know if anyone has licked this yet on any product yet, but they will.
 
good business opportunity

we will "dispose" of the pack for you
salt water bath for the bad cells
while salvaging the good cells for resale for remote grid storage

you a right copper powder shouldnt be injected. The whole pack would have to be covered in it. Not very practical as the shit is $$
 
Tesla Motors Issues Official Statement on Model S Fire:
http://insideevs.com/tesla-motors-issues-official-statement-on-model-s-fire/

Elon Musk said:
Model S Fire

By Elon Musk, Chairman, Product Architect & CEO

Earlier this week, a Model S traveling at highway speed struck a large metal object, causing significant damage to the vehicle. A curved section that fell off a semi-trailer was recovered from the roadway near where the accident occurred and, according to the road crew that was on the scene, appears to be the culprit. The geometry of the object caused a powerful lever action as it went under the car, punching upward and impaling the Model S with a peak force on the order of 25 tons. Only a force of this magnitude would be strong enough to punch a 3 inch diameter hole through the quarter inch armor plate protecting the base of the vehicle.

The Model S owner was nonetheless able to exit the highway as instructed by the onboard alert system, bring the car to a stop and depart the vehicle without injury. A fire caused by the impact began in the front battery module – the battery pack has a total of 16 modules – but was contained to the front section of the car by internal firewalls within the pack. Vents built into the battery pack directed the flames down towards the road and away from the vehicle.

When the fire department arrived, they observed standard procedure, which was to gain access to the source of the fire by puncturing holes in the top of the battery’s protective metal plate and applying water. For the Model S lithium-ion battery, it was correct to apply water (vs. dry chemical extinguisher), but not to puncture the metal firewall, as the newly created holes allowed the flames to then vent upwards into the front trunk section of the Model S. Nonetheless, a combination of water followed by dry chemical extinguisher quickly brought the fire to an end.

It is important to note that the fire in the battery was contained to a small section near the front by the internal firewalls built into the pack structure. At no point did fire enter the passenger compartment.

Had a conventional gasoline car encountered the same object on the highway, the result could have been far worse. A typical gasoline car only has a thin metal sheet protecting the underbody, leaving it vulnerable to destruction of the fuel supply lines or fuel tank, which causes a pool of gasoline to form and often burn the entire car to the ground. In contrast, the combustion energy of our battery pack is only about 10% of the energy contained in a gasoline tank and is divided into 16 modules with firewalls in between. As a consequence, the effective combustion potential is only about 1% that of the fuel in a comparable gasoline sedan.

The nationwide driving statistics make this very clear: there are 150,000 car fires per year according to the National Fire Protection Association, and Americans drive about 3 trillion miles per year according to the Department of Transportation. That equates to 1 vehicle fire for every 20 million miles driven, compared to 1 fire in over 100 million miles for Tesla. This means you are 5 times more likely to experience a fire in a conventional gasoline car than a Tesla!

For consumers concerned about fire risk, there should be absolutely zero doubt that it is safer to power a car with a battery than a large tank of highly flammable liquid.

— Elon
 
Battery impaled by a large metal object. Tesla's response is excellent as usual. We'll see if Wall Street has the brains to properly interpret the technical realities.
 
told you it had an ballistic shield (armor)

25 tons to punch a 3 inch hole!

Must have been a perfect storm with the metal piece at just the right spot/angle

or....


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Below is our email correspondence with the Model S owner that experienced the fire, reprinted with his permission:

From: robert Carlson
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 12:53 PM
To: Jerome Guillen
Subject: carlson 0389

Mr. Guillen,

Thanks for the support. I completely agree with the assessment to date. I guess you can test for everything, but some other celestial bullet comes along and challenges your design. I agree that the car performed very well under such an extreme test. The batteries went through a controlled burn which the internet images really exaggerates. Anyway, I am still a big fan of your car and look forward to getting back into one. Justin offered a white loaner--thanks. I am also an investor and have to say that the response I am observing is really supportive of the future for electric vehicles. I was thinking this was bound to happen, just not to me. But now it is out there and probably gets a sigh of relief as a test and risk issue-this "doomsday" event has now been tested, and the design and engineering works.

rob carlson
 
What I've taken away from this situation is that I'd rather have been in a model S during this accident rather than an ICE counterpart.
 
i am gonna start watching the Coparts auctions there for sure. unless tesla insured it the car is the property of the insurance company that totals it. they will sell it at the Coparts auction. i hope i don't have to bid against elon musk, $20k would be a rounding error in his checking account.
 
My guess about both the driver and owner being Boeing employees has been confirmed at the Telsa forum. Supposedly it was no big secret and all the Tesla employees knew before me so my post was worthless. The truth shall set you free man

As if
the public does not need to know
 
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