Motor Death :(

dozentrio

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I have a Unite my1018z 450 watt motor. I've been running it at 50V :? It died today. I am not sure what caused it, but what happened was I was happily riding along when suddenly I noticed the power cut out completely briefly. Then, when it returned, it was about 25% reduced. Also, the motor "exhaust" from my cooling fan was very warm despite just having begun my ride. There was a lot of motor resistance even when I just let the bike roll.

Upon opening up the motor, I noticed one part of the winding was much darker than the others, and there was a white powdery residue near the charred area of the winding. The kind you see when you vaporize pieces of metal with a high current arc. (I used to see this when I melted my connectors connecting them in reverse polarity)

Also, I noticed a tiny strand of metal from some stranded wire I had been using, near the "intake" side of my motor cooling. I theorize some of this stranded wire got sucked into the motor, and eventually found an exposed area of the winding to contact and make sweet short circuit love with.

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My motor's windings have always confused me a little. I had always thought that the entire winding was a single piece of wire. Yet, I had noticed before that it was broken in one place. It still worked fine, so I never worried about it too much. Is it possible that my motor used several windings in parallel? Why would they do that, instead of just using fatter wire? And, is this even possible or likely?

In any case, I've wanted to rewind the motor for some time and this gives me the perfect oppourtunity. I've already eagerly torn off the old windings, and am set to begin except for a few small things. One, I have no magnet wire. Two, I don't know how to do the pattern. I have read through a rewinding guide for the 250W motor here: http://www.scootersupport.com/motorrewind.htm but it is a little different. He says the winding pattern is very simple, and you use a single piece of wire. How to proceed? I want to use a pattern or number of turns which will work well with 55.5V and a 15:1 gear ratio, on a 26'' wheel. How do I figure out how many turns to use, and should I use a single wire?

The original motor specs are: my1018 450W 24V, 2.5A no load current, 4600 rpm, 4000 rpm loaded @ 25A.

So, I guess that means it is a 192 rpm/V motor?

Also, for the magnet wire, I can order it from ebay here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180499236413 or I might be able to get some from a local Radio Shack or electronics store. I am thinking its a little silly to pay $25 for new wire, when the original motor only cost $45. For the magnet wire, I read it is important what kind of enamel is on it. The ebay stuff says its good up to 200C. I doubt my motor windings have ever gotten above 50C, based on the "exhaust" temperature. If I get higher temp enamel, does this reduce the performance of the motor?

I think that is all for now...
 

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dozentrio said:
Motor died today. I think it may be the brushes, and I will soon find out. If it is the brushes, how can I get replacements? Do they have to be specifically for this motor, or are there standardized brush sizes and stuff?

I have a Unite my1018z 450 watt motor. I've been running it at 50V :?

*edit - it wasn't the brushes, something got into the windings and melted on contact, or at any rate, broke one of the windings. That winding cooked, it is black. Rest of the motor is fine. I'll show some pictures in a bit :p

Holly crap! Isn't that motor a 24v? You sure the voltage didn't fry it? Or is it a 36v motor?
 
It's a 24V motor. I'm not what you'd call an expert, but I think other people have run their motors at these voltages. It was sufficiently cooled... so, I think as long as it doesn't get too hot, it's fine :) I edited my original post, saying I think a piece of stranded wire got in there and shorted the winding somewehre.
 
dozentrio said:
My motor's windings have always confused me a little. I had always thought that the entire winding was a single piece of wire.


And they are a single piece stock. If you do double or tripple wind there would be mulitple wires. I rewound a Unite 1000watt motor
myself using slightly thicker wire than stock, didnt perform that great TBH and its a real pain in the ass job, i would buy a new motor
next time (not that there will be a next time for Unite motors) as they are dirt cheap. You did count the winds as you took them off didn't you?
If not your going to have a hard time working out how many winds to do. FrankG has a 1000watt wind on his website Theworkshop.ca
that might be of help...BEst of luck

KiM
 
didnt perform that great TBH and its a real pain in the ass job, i would buy a new motor next time

So you suggest I don't bother rewinding? I haven't really begun, and I also am questioning whether it's worth it. Other than for the sheer joy of rewinding a motor...

I am considering getting one of those 3kW RC motors and mounting it inside the housing of the currie motor. This way I can use the 7:1 gearbox. I would of course, take out the magnets and leave the end caps off so it can get sufficient ventilation. Perhaps mount a fan on the one end of the motor shaft?

I was thinking one of these:

http://hobbycity.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=5141
http://hobbycity.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=5204
http://hobbycity.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=7709

It would be noisy as hell with the Unite gears though, I think. And those second two motors are 270kv, which is a lot more than the 191 of the original motor.
 
dozentrio said:
So you suggest I don't bother rewinding? I haven't really begun, and I also am questioning whether it's worth it. Other than for the sheer joy of rewinding a motor...


Personally i thnk they are more trouble than there worth, the comutators on them don't last very long
IMO better off saving your dollars and going the rc route (i did myself) Rewinding motors isn't really a 'fun' thing the wire digs into your fingers and it gets quite monotonous and painful if you have soft hands.

KiM
 
hey dozentrio,

im glad to see that youre doing this. i wish that my motor actually failed before i rewinded it...lol. you want the whole thing to be one long wire on the whole thing. also, do you know what you want from the motor? do you want it to have more torque or more speed. also, do you know the original amount of windings on each armature of the motor?

i think it depends on the person too. i actually enjoyed rewinding my motor and seeing the outcome of what ive done. the number one rule of rewinding a motor i would say is, take your time and count :wink: . im not an expert on this topic but i have done it before. but, my 24volt, 250watt motor that has been rewound is holding up so far *knock on wood* but if you expect massive amounts of power after the rewind, i would just cut my losses there and save for the rc motor. youll notice the power after a rewind, but it wont be a kick in the pants type power that you think it will be :| .

best of luck with this if you go through with it :mrgreen: .
 
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