MXUS and MAC wonders

kdog said:
Jcr
Is that true!? If so you may have just cleared up a long standing question of mine. A long time ago when I still believed in torque and speed winds (well ok it was only a few yrs ago and I was set straight by the hugely educational thread here on ES), my mate had two macs one fast one slower. His fast wind would always hit thermal roll back on his home hill so he bought a slower one (at my recommendation :pancake: ) and got up ok..hot but ok. A few weeks later I learnt more about motors but I've never known why he had his results... Till possibly now.
no it's not true. i have several MAC (from within the last years) with several windings and they all differ. they use thicker and thinner copper, and the copper fill is almost the same on all motors i have.
 
Recumbent Bicycle Source said:
So can anyone here verify if there truly is a quality difference, better clutches, better wiring, better halls?
Neptronix has posted some comparison on ES Facebook. I haven't looked here. I went MAC because of all the positive reviews from long time users. AND the pricing. I will also be buying a Bafang Mini, that will come from Grin with their controller.
 
It's my understanding that the thinner laminations are most beneficial to builders that are running higher RPMs, due to the reduced eddy - current waste heat. There is also significantly reduced cogging, but that only affects DD hubs, since geared hubs freewheel.

Since all geared hubs have a poor heat-shedding path, the way to higher power is usually going to a lower Kv (higher turn-count), and then raising the volts, since the option of higher amps would cause more heat. Builders using 60V or 72V will likely find the extra cost to be worthwhile.

2000W when using 72V is 27A, and at 60V it is 33A...both are realistic amp-limits if caution is taken (add a temp probe). If you can keep the gears from getting hot, they can take more abuse.

I don't know of anyone that added ATF to a hubmotor, and didn't have an occasional drip on the ground, however...ATF is proven to work for capping the internal heat, by bridging the hot stator, and connecting it to the aluminum sideplates for much better heat-shedding.

A MAC will likely remain the best front motor for a hot rod 2WD system, since Doctor Bass posted that 2000W on the front wheel is a reasonable max to avoid excessive slippage. The rear motor could be another MAC, or a large DD hub
 
After a few lines of criticisms that will have no effect on how I use the MAC, this comment convinced me to save the $ and go MAC.

" MAC[sic] 0.27mm performace.. i am sure it whoops the ezee i bought."
 
So after reading trough this.
I think I'm going to build a dual MAC 6 T 20" for my fast cargobike.
Bicycle in question: https://www.yubaeurope.com/en/bikes-add-ons/supermarche/85/supermarche

But the MAC 6t in a 20 inch rim at 48V is still just 41km/h And I would like to hit 45km/h reliably.
Thus I am probaly better running a higher voltage.
Could I run a higher voltage trough the controller that comes with this kit: https://em3ev.com/shop/upgrade-mac-ebike-kit-with-47-50v-battery-option-and-black-case-controller-2000w-max/?currency=USD#parentHorizontalTab2
Or do I need a different controllers?

I would combine the controllers with the cyclanalist shunt and throttle and pas connected to cyclanalist.

Other suggestions?




Original thread: https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=93211&p=1364062#p1364062
 
ccgarnaal said:
So after reading trough this.
I think I'm going to build a dual MAC 6 T 20" for my fast cargobike.
Bicycle in question: https://www.yubaeurope.com/en/bikes-add-ons/supermarche/85/supermarche

But the MAC 6t in a 20 inch rim at 48V is still just 41km/h And I would like to hit 45km/h reliably.
Thus I am probaly better running a higher voltage.
Could I run a higher voltage trough the controller that comes with this kit: https://em3ev.com/shop/upgrade-mac-ebike-kit-with-47-50v-battery-option-and-black-case-controller-2000w-max/?currency=USD#parentHorizontalTab2
Or do I need a different controllers?

I would combine the controllers with the cyclanalist shunt and throttle and pas connected to cyclanalist.

Other suggestions?

Use the motor simulator....http://www.ebikes.ca/tools/simulator.html
 
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