New CBA2 software - is it worth it?

Mr. Mik

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A few questions for those who have used the CBA2 battery analyser before and after the recent software update:

1) Is it worth updating the free part of the software, or has it bugs that make it a better choice to continue with the old version?

2) Is it worth upgrading to the Pay-Version?

Thank you very much in advance for taking the time to answer!
 
Pro version has facility to calibrate the voltage sense...this is the biggest single problem with the CBA. IMO they should be offering this with the free upgrade, since the unit is pretty innacurate as it is...
 
Couldn't someone could just post the fixed version of the CBA software for others to use? I know they (WMR) decided to sell this "upgrade", but should a fix for improperly designed software cost anything? For me, this means real bad customer service. I would imagine that the "fix" for calibrating out the device's internal resistance wasn't really hard to do, so it seems to me they're just after more money from customers that already paid for the device - a captive audience!

I'm starting to think of what it would take to put together something similar to the CBA, as the other existing alternatives seem very expensive so far.
 
ZapPat said:
Couldn't someone could just post the fixed version of the CBA software for others to use? I know they (WMR) decided to sell this "upgrade", but should a fix for improperly designed software cost anything? For me, this means real bad customer service. I would imagine that the "fix" for calibrating out the device's internal resistance wasn't really hard to do, so it seems to me they're just after more money from customers that already paid for the device - a captive audience!

I'm starting to think of what it would take to put together something similar to the CBA, as the other existing alternatives seem very expensive so far.

the upgrade is not a file that is sent.. guess what!? itMs only a code that unlock the actual 2.0 version you can cownload for free. the unlock code will activate the "PRO" features... :evil:

I paid 40$ for a code that only solve a problem of a bad software desing..

Like you said Jozzer, it's not as good as i expected about the service!

I also know that they will have an expeander to be able to use and control mant individual CBA for large numbers of battery.. but.... .... :roll:

I did a good job on mine and corrected almost accuracy and heat problem..but these things MUST be done by the conceptor.. not the user!

Finally guess what!?.. last night during the 0.1C discharge of a 10Ah cell the soft freezed! and i lost all tehst at 0.1C 1C, 2C and 3C on the same file that was active when that occured!!! :evil: RRRRRR

Also.. you may have probelm with the numeric value nad bug on the software if you use the dot instead of the , !!

Well.. my opinion about the famous CBA is... if you like compensate to get acuracy and you like to use the backdoor for using a software properly, or the need to correct many hardware probelm such as heat and resistance of wires, go for it!

From now, my Megapower 960-SR that also can charge cell seems better and more accurate when using with the logview software, but it dont discahrge higher than 5A...

Doc
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ZapPat said:
For me, this means real bad customer service.

Like never answering emails. Or having the mosfet blow a week after purchase because it wasn't properly seated. And the software freezes like DocBass mentions. *sigh* I had high hopes for the CBA, but it's turned out to be crap (mine anyway). :evil:
 
We should sent the link to this thread to the CBA conceptor!!!

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :mrgreen:
 
Did you find the free part of the new software useful?

Or does the old one work just as well or better?
 
WMR's reply when I asked why it was costing us to patch bad software..
"We have hundreds of man hours in developing the new software. That feature is for professional users as the CBA is intended to read the voltage at the battery connector. In order to stay in business we must charge for our work.
Be aware that the Pro version upgrade will be $119 in the near future"

Seems to me that "pro" users will have shelled out the extremely high price for the amplifiers too...his argument doesn't seem right to me!


I've sent a link to this thread, perhaps he will come join the discussion...


Steve
 
Jozzer said:
WMR's reply when I asked why it was costing us to patch bad software..
"We have hundreds of man hours in developing the new software. That feature is for professional users as the CBA is intended to read the voltage at the battery connector. In order to stay in business we must charge for our work.
Be aware that the Pro version upgrade will be $119 in the near future"
Seems to me that "pro" users will have shelled out the extremely high price for the amplifiers too...his argument doesn't seem right to me!
I've sent a link to this thread, perhaps he will come join the discussion...
Steve

These WMR guys have offer a funny argument about the lack of precision of their original software. They could have just fixed this one big problem (calibration) in their regular (free) software, and sold the rest of what's in their upgraded software for the extra moola. I mean what's the use of such a test gadget if it gives the user a reading that can be off by 50% or more? I mean by this reading a voltage drop of 0.16V @ 10A instead of the real 0.10V drop @ 10A it should be reading... And imagine someone testing a 9.2Ah A123 cell group (4P cells)with this gadget: instead of reading ~0.03V drop @ 10A, the person would be reading about ~0.09V drop @ 10A. That's a 150% error!

Not to mention that the calibration bug fix alone could not have taken "hundreds of man-hours" to do... more like 10X less, and I'm being conservative here. It's just a case of using ohm's law in the software math to reduce the CBA's own resistance-related error. Just a "zero calibration" really, quite simple. In fact, I had talked with Docbass about this a few months ago and had suggested that WMR do exactly what they did: CBA pr0n
 
It seems to me that the reward for the programming work put in by WMR would come from increased sales of future CBA2 units.

There seems to be no other product with comparable price on the market - fixing the main bug would certainly leave the competition behind by increasing sales!



I would buy the "pro" version of the software if it could automatically reduce the current as a function of the voltage instead of a cutoff voltage, so to (almost) asymptotically approach a final, very low cutoff voltage.
This can be used to recondition NiMH and NiCd cells, probably the most common cells these days because they are in the Prius, Vectrix and other hybrid EV's.
I used a CBA2 and performed the above approach manually on Vectrix cells: (Click to enlarge)



Green curve: Before conditioning
Black curve: After conditioning.
Red curve: Best cell in the whole 102-cell pack before conditioning.

This is a great result, but too time consuming due to the need for repeated operator input. That's OK for a hobby or for doing it once whilst learning how to do it. But if I wanted to offer this as a service for others, then I would need a pro-version software that lets me program the CBA2, then hook up each cell once and walk away for 24hrs whilst the CBA2 does the work for me.


And here is a graphic depiction of the effect of the cable resistance on Voltage measurements and battery capacity results:

The two graphs are from the same Vectrix cell, without recharging between tests:
Lower, black graph = measurement at 20A to 1.1V cutoff. Measured capacity: just over 10Ah.
Higher, red graph = measurement at 20A to 1.1V cutoff after soldering heavy duty cables to the CBA2, then repeating the test on the supposedly empty cells! Measured capacity: over 12Ah!

So the CBA2 measurement result for the capacity of a Vectrix NiMH cell at 20A to 1.1V cutoff is only 45% of the true value!


The calibration feature is a bug fix, not a "pro-version upgrade"!
 
I really regret to have bought that %&$?%*$&? upgrade for a FIX and not an "upgrade" :evil:

Now, about the headway cell there was now the 8th time i completly recgharged it (5h to recahrge at 2A rate) and 11h to discharge to finally succed to get that famous first true 1C curve... BUT EVERY TIME I TRY TO RE-OPEN THE FILE I RECORDED' I HET THIS &?&? ERROR !!! so it's impossible to me to overlay any curves now.. it seems that the "new" version have another bug and that i'm the first ine to "taste it"... RRRrr

it's been 8 times i try to test that cell and i always get that ?%$?%$ error!!

I'll try for a fourth time to re-install it... may be that time that will work...

I hate loosing time on stupid software!!!

I think i'll write to him and ask for a REAL NON BUGS version.. after all i paid for these... "100+ man hour work..." :roll: :!:

Doc... a bit frustrated... !
 

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Good luck Doc! Point them here again, if we all ask Del to look he might pop in...
 
Windows 7 is de facto going to be a "fixed version" of WIndows Vista that'll require extra payment for it, so why can't this company sell a de facto fix? I mean if Microsoft does it, everyone else can too, right?

Joking aside, this company does seem to be either a bit short-sighted and/or a bit greedy. When software is developed, "servicing" and "Maintenance" should be included in the initially agreed-to cost to the consumer and I'm sure this is a maintenance issue in the sense something's being fixed.

Seems like an open-source battery-tester has more reason to exist.
 
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