Newbi: DIY eskate or evolve or...

thevilcoyote

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Hi all!
It's been a while since I read this forum, and now I want my own e-longboard.
The thing is I can't decide myself whereas to go DIY or evolve (bustin pintail) or wait for the Inboard eskate to show up or...
I used to skate younger, now I surf sometimes. Surf sensation is what I would like to experience on my way to work.
My commuting is 6km a day, on "car road".
In the morning, I have to climb, in the evening, it is all way down.

From what I've seen, DIY seems to be more effective than "allready built" longboard, but less esthetic.

What is more, I think the DIY to be more evolutive, but also more complicated to use (faillure, etc...).

Am I right on these point?
Can you give me some advices ?

Thanks all,
Regards
 
I think too, but I admit I am a little bit lost in all the combination single/dual, motor/esc/vesc/battery.
Isn't there a magic perfect association of hardware?? :roll:
As you can see, I have a lot to learn...
 
when you build one, please make a vid of it from start to finish.
i wanted a DIY too, but didnt want to get stuck with $800 parts and cant get things together. im amazed nobody has done a video yet. these DIY online stores just assume everyone know everything already.
i got tired of waiting for an instructional vid i bought an e-go instead.
 
tung256 said:
when you build one, please make a vid of it from start to finish.
i wanted a DIY too, but didnt want to get stuck with $800 parts and cant get things together. im amazed nobody has done a video yet. these DIY online stores just assume everyone know everything already.
i got tired of waiting for an instructional vid i bought an e-go instead.
Are you a google-fu white belt??

http://www.enertionboards.com/how-to-build-electric-skateboard-free-guide-diy-eboard-powered-longboard-instructions.html

http://diyelectricskateboard.com/learn-how-to-build-an-electric-longboard-skateboard/

http://www.aliendrivesystems.com/help--support.html

http://www.instructables.com/howto/electric+longboard/

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=build+electric+longboard
 
I would advise you to pick up an evolve, its the most well rounded out of the box product in my opinion. Im running carbon all terrain since over 2000km now and still really really love it.

by now I decided to build a board on my own anyway, because I know I 'd enjoy the tinkering (and I really do). its also a complementary product to the evolve though - state of the art performance with street wheels and custom looks ... most of all the seducing outlook of infinite tinkering. dont expect to get away with less money though - if you want a quality built and round up the very best ingredients, youll easily end up at evolve/boosted dual+ prices. and it might not even work that well :D

on the flipside: it has probably never been easier to build your own board - there are many "install and go" parts out there ... but I know the feeling very well - there are many guides, but often I stumbled over the vocabulary barrier. lipo? 18650? 12S3P? ubec? esc? wiiceiver? nunchuck? badwolf? vesc? 6355? wat are these people talking about ...?! :D

not sure if a video would help, dont really believe that there is a way around lots and lots of reading. :wink:
 
You have a lot of research to do. I'd start with the how-to in the sticky that torque made. Basic 6s setup.

As for single vs dual motor. Dual is going to be almost double the price because your higher cost items all need to be duplicate (motor, mount, gears(motor+hub/wheel), and ESC). Plus added complexity (wiring mainly). So that's either daunting or Fun. I enjoy it and thought it was fun... so i'm building a second dual motor setup (first stolen - sucky long story).

Most importantly - what's your goal and type of riding? How heavy are you? How much do you ride in hills vs flats? Range you need/want at a minimum? I wouldn't steer anyone into a dual motor setup if they were riding in the flats and weight 140lbs. A single 50mm would get them A-B easily. Unless they just want pure power/torque/acceleration. For moderate hills 5-15% even a single motor setup for a light rider would be fine (on right voltage). I have a "benchmark" hill behind my house in a residential area. I'm 6'8" (2m) and about 265-275 in gear. I've ridden up it 1/2 way with a single 50mm motor (basically stopped midway), then with dual 50mm's slowly all the way to the top. On 8s. It would be even easier on 12s (higher voltage). Realize that hobby ESC's typically are 6s and less (most 2-6s). 8s and higher usually are $$$.

So - what's your expected use? How heavy are you? how far do you want to go? Cruising or racing cars type speeds?

we'll get you sorted out!
 
Hi!

You can't say there is not enough tutorial about DIY, there is actually enough post here on endless sphere to read and understand all.
I'm French and my English college level was enough to understand most of the basics here by reading all I can in 15 days.

So if you're not brave enough to take time to read and understand by yourself, well buy an evolve you won't regret because it's kind of plug and play.

Yeah going DIY solution is not easy at all when you start from zero knowledge, but that's part of the pleasure.

So make your choice ;).
 
r3volved said:
tung256 said:
when you build one, please make a vid of it from start to finish.
i wanted a DIY too, but didnt want to get stuck with $800 parts and cant get things together. im amazed nobody has done a video yet. these DIY online stores just assume everyone know everything already.
i got tired of waiting for an instructional vid i bought an e-go instead.
Are you a google-fu white belt??

http://www.enertionboards.com/how-to-build-electric-skateboard-free-guide-diy-eboard-powered-longboard-instructions.html

http://diyelectricskateboard.com/learn-how-to-build-an-electric-longboard-skateboard/

http://www.aliendrivesystems.com/help--support.html

http://www.instructables.com/howto/electric+longboard/

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=build+electric+longboard

four of the links you shared has nothing but text. :(
the youtube links are a mess with nothing from A to Z.
the Enertion vid was almost perfect but i couldnt bear the loud annoying music. cant hit the mute button fast enough when the music comes on unexpectedly. cant believe the dude hasnt updated that vid since forever.

honestly, if any of you guys want to build from scratch, i will gladly filmed the process if you are anywhere near Philly.
 
I posted a video a while back: https://youtu.be/_7t2A2iXNS8

not the best, but it explains basically everything you need
 
let's play nice.

Tung - you have two choices.

Learn and do it yourself.
Or buy something.

If you expect it to be handed to you on a platter and someone to re-record a perfectly doable video just because you don't like the audio... you are going to be shit out of luck. Figure it out on your own. If you have questions we'll help you. If you don't want to make any effort, you can simply buy an e-go/boosted/stary and enjoy the simplicity of a pre-made board.

Best of luck.
 
sl33py said:
Learn and do it yourself.
Or buy something.

If you expect it to be handed to you on a platter and someone to re-record a perfectly doable video just because you don't like the audio... you are going to be shit out of luck. Figure it out on your own. If you have questions we'll help you. If you don't want to make any effort, you can simply buy an e-go/boosted/stary and enjoy the simplicity of a pre-made board.

Ditto....

It's not really that hard. You don't give yourself much credit Tung..

Not everything in life can you simply open up a box and get what you want.

If your looking for the easy route go with production boards.
 
Thank you very much for your answer guys!

To answer some question, I weigth 72kg (158 lbs).
My commuting to work is not flat. It climbs at max 10% (i guess).

My willing is to have (mkae?) a board going up to 40/45 km/h (25/28 mph). From what I read, it is fast enough to have good sensations and for me to stay at the traffic speed.

Indeed, there is many tutorials. the thing is to find the good one :)

Price is of course important. What scare me a little is that I'm not equiped with tools at all.
Maybe I can borrow some of them, that will serve me only for the eboard.

I am wondering about the evolutive side of DIY solution.
I read in some post that it is better, once the motor is tight on the truck, to put some resin to ensure contact.
Is this operation reversible?

Thanks again for the dynamic here,

Regards!

Pierre
 
Very reasonable expectations.

25/28mph is very easy to achieve. It's all in the gearing and voltage.

For your weight and to save cost, plus keep the electronics more simple i would recommend a single motor setup. Save a significant amount of $ vs dual motor, but allow you to add another later if you choose.

Most importantly - tools. If you have a decent soldering iron and can do basic wiring i think you will be fine. You might not have the prettiest cables if you buy them in standard lengths vs make your own, but it will work just fine. Get a skate tool to tighten the regular trucks, wheels, etc down, and you will only need some hex/allen keys to do the rest.

I would work backwards from the ESC. I'm going to copy/paste some info i put together on another thread instead of typing it all out again (hope you don't mind). Let's see if this makes sense to you and helps you pick your starting point to begin building. I'd still recommend listing what you'd like to purchase for us to review and comment if we see anything we are worried about or would recommend instead of what you choose.

Just ignore the dual motors focus and look at the prices ea vs dual.

Motors - i'd recommend one of 3:
1 - Tacon bigfoot (63mm 245kv) - 55ea - $110.
2 - DIYes 5065 Sensored motor - (50mm 170kv sensored) - 85ea - $170
3 - Enertion R-Spec 6355 - (63mm 190kv) - 113ea - $226

ESC's -
XERun/FVT - ~$100 ea / $200
VESC (if you can find one) - 120ea - $240
DIYes 12s Opto ESC (non-sensored) adding as an option. Hopefully he'll have his sensored ESC up soon to add to the mix. 145ea - $270 discounted for pair.

The biggest difference on ESC's is the voltage (# series) it will support. Most hobby ESC's support 2-6s. Higher voltage is usually better for us, more efficient, more power, and faster (can be a negative and require more re-gearing). Hobby ESC's that support >6s like the Mamba XL2 (2-8s) is about $200ea.
A solution that Vedder has developed is the VESC. It takes a couple extra steps to configure, but is mostly copy/paste and pretty straight forward. With the new Windows ports of the BLDC tool to configure the motor/ESC it's even easier. Just follow the steps and ask questions if uncertain.

Caliber or Paris - $55-60 set. I'd also recommend getting better bushings for your weight ~$20.

Anti-spark switch. Nice, but i'd just run an XT-90 antispark loop key instead. $7 instead of $60.

Wiiceiver is really nice, but i'd opt for the GT2B as it's more reliable. You *can* make the wiiceiver more reliable by direct soldering the wires, or direct connect it to the VESC.

25mph is easily doable - it's all in the gearing and how you ride. Hills or flats? And of course your weight. I'm a big guy (265-275 geared up) and my dual 5065mm was geared for 25mph. I got one run w/ a tailwind to 30mph - but almost every other run i topped out 24-25mph consistently. I was on 8s and VESC's.

The important factors - Wheel size, Motor KV, Voltage(# Series), Motor gear, Wheel gear (# Teeth).

Example - this is my current build:
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Gearing initially setup is pretty straight forward. You will get a set of gears with a belt setup for your motor w/ your motor mount kit. If you get Torque/DIYes's v1 full kit it has a 36t wheel gear. not sure which belt or motor gear comes with it currently. I know he was doing some 15mm belts (which are great for single motor setups).

Dual motors - do you want dual diagonal or dual rear? The length of your motor will determine if you can run DR vs DD. about 54-55mm length (6355 is 63mm diameter x 55mm long, 5065 - 50mm x 65mm) Just so you understand constraints.

Dual ESC's are simple to wire. Simplest is with a simple Servo "Y" cable. Removing the red power lead on one (so your Rx only gets one 5v source to power it). Alternatively with the VESC you can run one servo wire from the VESC to the Rx, and then use 2 wires between the VESC's to communicate over canbus.

Programming card - absolutely. For the XERun and FVT you need to get the card to at least configure the brakes. For the VESC you do the programming with the software BLDC tool.

Capacitors - yes if needed. VESC has one 2200uF or the new triple cap setup. XERun and FVT come with their caps already.

Batteries - you will want a setup specifically for the voltage/#S you want to run. I'd recommend starting out with 2 x 3s for 6s to start then you can add 2 more later for 12s if you get a VESC. Either way you will want to get the highest voltage your ESC can support. So if you go the XERun or FVT route you will want 6s max. Mamba XL2 - 8s max. VESC 10/12s depending on your motor (>200kv - 10s, <200kv - 12s). That might change w/ his newest 4.8 VESC.

I would skip the BMS on your budget. It's a lot more complex and for only 2-4 batteries a good charger is where i'd spend the $.

Get a good DC charger. iCharger or similar. You'll need a power supply as well. Look for the 12v server power supply off ebay - best voltage for the $.

Welcome and hope this is helpful. Look forward to seeing your build!

GL!
 
Be aware that in many countries you are not supposed to go on the road, bicycle and pedestrian way only.

Here in France for example bicycle way up to 25km/h, and pedestrian way supposed to go just above there speed.
And if you go over 25km/h you have to registered your board as a vehicle and get an insurance.

I don't know if you have ever ride a board, but 45km/h is dangerous and exposed you to wobble, and at this speed motorcycle protection is necessary.

So with this in mind I suggest you to take a look at okp fibretech post, probably the closest to you own goal.
 
Thanks for the advices.

I will prepare a list for you to have a look and tell me where are the issues.

My city is with little hills (Angers, France), so I think the dual motor could be interesting.

You'r rigth Vulthor, okp project is very close to my expectation.
My "dream project" will be this one:
http://www.e-sk8.fr/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=8

I find it very beautiful, and the specs look just great.

I used to skate when I was younger, now I is a little bit of snow surfing, wake and surf.
So I have no idea what it feels like to go 45 kmh on a board. I think it is my limit.
 
thevilcoyote said:
My city is with little hills (Angers, France), so I think the dual motor could be interesting.

Ah bah je connais bien Angers j'ai fais pas mal de soirée la bas plus jeune et j'y retourne une fois l'an voir mes potes de Lyçée.

Je te suggère de venir t'inscrire et te présenté sur le forum http://www.e-sk8.fr/ ce sera peut être plus simple pour toi sans la barrière de la langue.

Je confirme que la board de paufred est superbe c'est pour celà qu'on l'à mise en build type.

In french for easy reply :D
 
Vulthor said:
thevilcoyote said:
My city is with little hills (Angers, France), so I think the dual motor could be interesting.

Ah bah je connais bien Angers j'ai fais pas mal de soirée la bas plus jeune et j'y retourne une fois l'an voir mes potes de Lyçée.

Je te suggère de venir t'inscrire et te présenté sur le forum http://www.e-sk8.fr/ ce sera peut être plus simple pour toi sans la barrière de la langue.

Je confirme que la board de paufred est superbe c'est pour celà qu'on l'à mise en build type.

In french for easy reply :D


Done thanks :)
http://www.e-sk8.fr/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=157&p=2196#p2196
 
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