No $30K Chevy Volt without Congress' help

Safe has been out recuiting from the little-league again, via PM. :roll:

recumpence said:
Good idea for a thread. :)
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I do agree that we need more focussed E-bikes and less of the copy-cat "Mountainbike with big hub motor and pack in the back" setups. However, I recognize the limitations of current technology which drives people in that direction.

Hmm, I will think more about this and post more later.

Great thread. Thanks for the invite.
 
Gosh TD, are you angry that people enjoy sharing ideas or jealous you weren't invited?
 
mcstar said:
Gosh TD, are you angry that people enjoy sharing ideas or jealous you weren't invited?
I was invited... every post is an invitation for comment. That's why they call it a F O R U M.

If you have to sell your idea, how good can it be (esp. when you were giving it away).

:roll:
 
TD, to remind you of your comments, you said this....
Safe has been out recuiting from the little-league again, via PM.
With the little "rolling eyes". My impression of your comment was that something about what safe doing was either offensive to you or caused you some concern. Is that a correct assesment?

As to your other comment
If you have to sell your idea, how good can it be (esp. when you were giving it away).
Good ideas are the things people typically spend their money on since if they could do it themselves they would, and exactly what was I giving away?

BTW, I'm sure some of your ideas are good too. I'd like to hear more of them and less deriding others.
 
Hello all,This in my first post but I'm going to pretend it's not. My first post will be in one of the tech categories and it will contain a paragraph or two about the excellence of this forum as well as the genius generosity and the helpfulness of it's members. Plus a lot of (I hope not too dumb) questions. I have already learned a great deal here. I had to post on this one especially when I see a fervent capitalist arguing their case all the while ignoring the white elephant in the room,the fact that we are owned by corporations http://www.storyofstuff.com/. Here's an example; The beginning of the chain (analogy intended) "And they've labored on it since,it's a ponderous chain" - Marley 's ghost to Ebenezer Scrooge. Ok William Randolf Hearst was a huge corporate force in the late 1900's and well into the 20th century',he owned a large media empire mainly consisting of news papers in almost every city,nation wide. He also owned a bunch of paper mills and thousands of thee filled acres to feed the mills pulp. He saw a threat in Hemp aka marijuana (not just cause it gives you the munchies) but he thought it was going to make in roads into the pulp market. So he put his entire media empire to wok demonizing hemp "Those reefer smokin' jazz musicians are going to drag this country into the gutter" Meanwhile you could still buy HEROINE over the counter, and I think cocaine too. Anyway he succeeded so well that hemp (which has been proven useful beyond measure) as we know is still illegal today.Check out a book called The Emperor Wears No Clothes,its about the history of hemp and details it's many uses, including biofuel, and no i'm not a pot smoking e biker. Anywho, this was just an early example of corporate manipulation probably not the first time but certainly not the last. I believe this stuff has been going on ever since but now they have got it down to a science. Now I'm still on the fence about the Kennedy assassination and I don't lean toward conspiracy theories and it sounds so cliche when someone says"The oil companies buy up all of these good patents and lock them up. That statement may be a bit simplistic but i believe it,as do most people you ask. Heck in 1968 40 YEARS AGO we sent guys to the moon and brought them back using a bunch of rocket fuel and a slide rule and here we are in 2008 and we are still averaging 30mpg. I don't think it's five guys in a room twirling their mustaches and hatching plots, but I do know that oil is a trillion dollar business, and 1 trillion dollars can buy ALOT of manipulation. Is it an accident that cabalysis AKA chevron got their mitts on the nimh patent. DIYers like yourselves can't get your hands on large format nimh cells and cabalysis stipulates no plug in EV's with their batteries. Just phev. THEN they get t heir greasy hands on the A 123's. Hell, I bet you if they foresaw people tearing apart the drill packs, there wouldn't be anything bigger than an 18 650 in there. I heard Ralph Nader speak; now THERE'S a guy i trust. He said, in a nutshell, that there is no possible way supply and demand caused the recent rise in oil prices, but you've schooled us that it's because of safety concerns during manufacturing coupled with the laws prohibiting them from drilling in the Alaskan wilderness. OR, record prophets=good old fashioned greed. As for this guy safe, I read alot of his posts when I first discovered ES, along with alot of other guys. What I've noticed is, the more I read different posts, the more they came into focus so to speak. But his posts never did. I've never learned ONE USABLE THING from any of his posts. I'm not a mean person but this guy is cluttering this forum.
 
safe,

As far as socialism being undemocratic, you never answered Tyler's question. Sweden and Norway and France are fairly "socialist", and they are more democratic in a lot of ways than the US. As is, contrary to US corporate media propaganda to the contrary, Venezuela.

As far as your assertion that the US is moving to the left, that is utterly ridiculous. The USA continues it's lurch to the right. It is is a "soviet union" of an extreme and failed 30-year experiment in ultra-individualistic, dog-eat-dog capitalism.

As far as the definition of Fascism - let's hear it's definition from its founder:

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power."

- Benito Mussolini.
 
He never answered my question either which EMF kindly rephrased & he ignored that as well.
I want to know how safe can continue to wax poetic about the free market when both the oil industry & the nuclear industry have been the biggest corporate welfare beneficiaries, while at the same time claim it would be harmful if the EV industry got so much as a crumb of the same kind of incentive.
I'd like to know how those two opposite beliefs can co-exist within the same mind.
Instead we get trashed thread#4601 going on & on about nuclear safety, Nazi's & god knows what else which has nothing to do with either the Chevy Volt or Congress' help.
How do you safe reconcile this, hell I'll even settle on hearing how you rationalize it.
 
Toorbough ULL-Zeveigh said:
How do you safe reconcile this, hell I'll even settle on hearing how you rationalize it.
I don't "attempt" to rationalize it... we live in a system that already is corrupted by socialist (government subsidies) thinking and we seem to be going down and down into more of it.

In a "perfect" Thomas Jefferson world there would be an absolutely minimal government. Both the left and the right have permitted things to slip and now both sides spend too much. The "earmarks" are a great example of how both sides get pork spending for themselves while they are supposed to be doing real legislation.

So I'm consistent... there's just bad and worse...
 
safe said:
In a "perfect" Thomas Jefferson world there would be an absolutely minimal government.
Doubt it...
"trust the poem, not the poet": lots of nice ideas from TJ, but at the same time he was nailing Sally Hemings; whom he could have just as easily whipped if she did not submit. :roll:
 
TylerDurden said:
safe said:
In a "perfect" Thomas Jefferson world there would be an absolutely minimal government.
Doubt it...
"trust the poem, not the poet": lots of nice ideas from TJ, but at the same time he was nailing Sally Hemings; whom he could have just as easily whipped if she did not submit. :roll:
These founding fathers we look up to, sometimes make me sick, they were a bunch of hippocrites.
http://www.monticello.org/plantation/hemingscontro/hemings-jefferson_contro.html
 
they were a bunch of hippocrites

It's really sad you think this way. Fortunately there are other countries in which you may live.
:wink:
 
mcstar said:
they were a bunch of hippocrites

It's really sad you think this way. Fortunately there are other countries in which you may live.
:wink:

It figures, after reading a few of your postings, that you would think sleeping with your slaves would be ok. Even though these figures were supposed to be leaders in a free country. :roll:

If you want to lead and you tout freedom, pursuit of happiness etc., I believe you should try practicing what you preach. If you do both, tout freedom and equality for all humankind, yet enslave people because you can get away with it- then your a hippocrite in my book. George Washington, the "father of our country" had 350 slaves.

Even in those days, many people knew it was wrong, but those in power (wealthy landowners) liked things just the way they were. Back then, if you were white, and you had a tooth pulled, you were in luck. Because they would simply grab a black man, and pull out his healthy tooth and stick it in your head. Most of the time, these crude "transplants" would actually take. Yep, them was the good old days.

As far as for moving, as you so kindly suggested: Knowing there are people like you around in any country, makes it impractical to move. You can't run from ignorance. You can only try to do away with it. ;)
 
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