Outrider high speed run.....

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Hey Guys,

This video is of Tommy Ausherman of Outrider USA running one of my twin motor 3220 drives. The motors are fan cooled 5 turn deltas with two Edge HV160s on 12S 25ah pack. This run consumed 8 amphours.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MKDFXDGNVsQ

They lost their video with the GPS overlay to prove the speed. However, they are going back in a couple days to shoot for more speed and more video.

I will keep you posted as I have info.

Fun stuff!

Matt
 
this is awesome, just saw the video from facebook! i figured it was one of your drive units. such a nice piece!

now what would be really interesting to see is a fairing (or possible multiple different fairings) on this trike and compare the runs to each other. im sure this would greatly improve the efficiency of speeds over 20mph (and especially at 80+!) before battery technology gets better a great way to bring an efficient bike with a long range to the market while still maintaining a relatively small battery pack and low weight is going to be by addressing aerodynamics.
 
Interesting he thinks 80mph is some kind of record for an unfaired bicycle when I've been radar clocked at 108mph, and doing over 80mph is just what happens anytime you give deathbike throttle for 3sec. I am exceeding 90mph in most of my large track deathbike vids, with a radar confirmed 108 at Portland international raceway.

80mph is like commuting pace, but it happens in just a couple seconds and needs like 1 city block to get there rather than an airstrip.

JohninCR is the fastest ebike I've heard of right now at just over 110mph.
 
liveforphysics said:
Interesting he thinks 80mph is some kind of record for an unfaired bicycle when I've been radar clocked at 108mph, and doing over 80mph is just what happens anytime you give deathbike throttle for 3sec. I am exceeding 90mph in most of my large track deathbike vids, with a radar confirmed 108 at Portland international raceway.

80mph is like commuting pace, but it happens in just a couple seconds and needs like 1 city block to get there rather than an airstrip.

JohninCR is the fastest ebike I've heard of right now at just over 110mph.
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under 100 pounds.......

That is the point. You could put huge power on any 2 wheeled vehicle and call it a bike. I am impressed with the light weight.

Matt
 
recumpence said:
liveforphysics said:
Interesting he thinks 80mph is some kind of record for an unfaired bicycle when I've been radar clocked at 108mph, and doing over 80mph is just what happens anytime you give deathbike throttle for 3sec. I am exceeding 90mph in most of my large track deathbike vids, with a radar confirmed 108 at Portland international raceway.

80mph is like commuting pace, but it happens in just a couple seconds and needs like 1 city block to get there rather than an airstrip.

JohninCR is the fastest ebike I've heard of right now at just over 110mph.
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under 100 pounds.......

That is the point. You could put huge power on any 2 wheeled vehicle and call it a bike. I am impressed with the light weight.

Matt
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Yes that's a good point. what is a cycle?
In my idea It is a pedal acted vehicle with 2-4 wheels that could be driven by a normal person at least at the same speed than the same normal person is able to run at, for a reasonable amount of time more, and with less human energy consumed.....
If I would add a weight limit it would be something like 55 pound (2 wheels) and 20 pounds more for each additional wheel..... If I would organize an OPEN e-bike speed race, I would put as rules only the weight limit class and that the rider has to pedal the bike for (say) 1 lap (flat), averaging a minimum speed (say 15-20Kmh).
Thats a limit I would like for speed sport cycles...Cargos, specials, Gravity and BMX, Heavy Duty and recreational Cycles are obviously out of this definition, for the weight or for the gears/purpose, or both....

Another way to regulate the E-bike categories could be to rule a Max % of "E-stuff weight" admitted, compared to the original cycling category average weight. (MTB, Road, BMX, Cargo, CHopper, downhill....)
Vehicles that were out from these rules would be welcome in my ideal Open speed race but in another class....

I've a pretty fast <45 Pounds bike with your single 32204t drive onto the DirtJump frame and a 13:1 reduction, Matt :wink: .
Anyone knows what's the speed record for such a lightweight E-cycle class?
 
According to Wikipedia Cycle refers to a Motor Bike or a Bicycle...... note both have two wheels.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycle

The post is in Board Index < Electric Bicycles , E-Bike Non-hub Motor drives...... therefore 2 wheels apply!
 
USA vehicle code describes a bicycle as a vehicle with less than 4 wheels with one wheel a minimum of 20 inches in diameter and pedals that are mechanically connected to a wheel.

Matt
 
Yes, sorry, I was not so clear, I don't mean what the codes describe but what a cycle should be defined in my/our mind, related to the electric cycles racing/records world. It was to agree with you that a speed record made by a pedal-able cycle that weights less than 30Kg could not be compared with the performance of a 50Kg vehicle, mostly if this weight difference is all from juice and copper, and the vehicle is not still pedal-able and useful for none of the typical cycle duties....

Until a cycle has only the human power, It's clear that's a cycle....independently from its weight, number of wheels etc...(here in Italy 4 wheels are still cycles). But when a cycle is an hybrid powered vehicle, that's something to define in terms of weight and ability to be pedaled, i think, to avoid that Undefined class cycles with cosmetic pedals and say over 100lbs could play the same game, signing speed or acceleration records, of true, lightweight, pedal-able cycles.
Anyway that Outrider performance is awesome, and datalogs would be really interesting.
 
Congrats on the record.... Under 100 pound is impressive with those speeds for sure, the trike is obviously able to be peddled to reasonable speed also..

Couldn't get out of sight on a dark night under pedal power on Luke's bike nor johns, does johns even have chain on it, i don't think it does?

KiM
 
I don't want to discount the mighty bikes of Luke and John. They are powerful, for sure.

I just love building bikes that are light weight and still perform well.

Matt
 
8 AH!!! :shock: I would like to see the Data Log from this run, that is an incredible amount of energy in, what 1/2 mile?

Nailing down what vehicle can be considered pedal assist vs. motorcycle with pedals is as old as the ol' sphere itself. It has even caused some to splinter off and attempt to start their own forum.

A true test of speed and agility would indeed include some straight line performance, some twisty turn performance along with some unpowered performance. Coming to an agreement on what these parameters would be the biggest feat of all though.

Congrats to Tommy, I only wish he would have done some donuts afterward. :evil:
 
I'm all for a race that had a pedaling section. I've been competing in road bicycling lately, and I think I would do well enough, even pedaling deathbike.
 
Phenomenal! Too sad that single run used 8 amps. This is the Achilles heal of electric. I hope the breakthrough comes in e-storage soon but it is a tough problem to solve.
 
I've only had my ebike up to 107mph, so LFP is top of the heap.

Regarding what's a bicycle and what isn't, mine is street legal in the same classification as any pedal bike, so top that. You want to talk motor size, two 4000W rated motors sounds "bigger" than one 6 or 7kw rated motor. Lighter motor simply means higher rpm which equals noise, and I prize the near silence of my ride.

To be a bicycle requires no chain or pedals. The first bicycles had neither. I actually have pedals and could easily put a chain, but for what? It's not required, would make a bunch of noise, and most of all I don't want the risk of a freewheel locking up at well over 1krpm. In most of the world there are push carts and other things with no pedals that enjoy the same legal classification as a bicycle.

Regarding weight, that's a bogus limitation too, since plenty of pedicabs and pedal only cargo haulers weigh as much or more than my ebike. I made a custom swingarm and put it on freeride pedal bike. Adding an electric motor to it made it an ebike, and BTW I have 9ah of 65-130c to put aboard. That means I can easily get The Fastest Hubmotored Ebike in the World under 100lbs, maybe even under 70lbs if I rework my swingarm with 4130 instead of mild steel, swap the front wheel back to a bicycle tire, and go back my lighter set of forks. The sky is the limit speed-wise with aero treatments, since I have a 17% larger wheel ready to go and my controllers can easily handle a 10% increase in voltage along with the stiffer battery.

Like I always say, any ebike that isn't faster than Sam Whittingham's 83mph on pedal power alone should be embarrassed to talk about top speed. :lol:

John
 
John in CR said:
I've only had my ebike up to 107mph, so LFP is top of the heap.

Regarding what's a bicycle and what isn't, mine is street legal in the same classification as any pedal bike, so top that. You want to talk motor size, two 4000W rated motors sounds "bigger" than one 6 or 7kw rated motor. Lighter motor simply means higher rpm which equals noise, and I prize the near silence of my ride.

To be a bicycle requires no chain or pedals. The first bicycles had neither. I actually have pedals and could easily put a chain, but for what? It's not required, would make a bunch of noise, and most of all I don't want the risk of a freewheel locking up at well over 1krpm. In most of the world there are push carts and other things with no pedals that enjoy the same legal classification as a bicycle.

Regarding weight, that's a bogus limitation too, since plenty of pedicabs and pedal only cargo haulers weigh as much or more than my ebike. I made a custom swingarm and put it on freeride pedal bike. Adding an electric motor to it made it an ebike, and BTW I have 9ah of 65-130c to put aboard. That means I can easily get The Fastest Hubmotored Ebike in the World under 100lbs, maybe even under 70lbs if I rework my swingarm with 4130 instead of mild steel, swap the front wheel back to a bicycle tire, and go back my lighter set of forks. The sky is the limit speed-wise with aero treatments, since I have a 17% larger wheel ready to go and my controllers can easily handle a 10% increase in voltage along with the stiffer battery.

Like I always say, any ebike that isn't faster than Sam Whittingham's 83mph on pedal power alone should be embarrassed to talk about top speed. :lol:

John
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Hey John
Again, As Luke is totally for pedal bikes categories too, I'm totally for super-monsters e-bikes.

Don't want to be misunderstood......I'm all for performance and racing 2 wheels.....I'm still riding my Husky TE 610 and my old YamaRD500.....I use to work on a shop where they tune some of the fastest motorbike in the world (We are talking about moto2 and MotoGP), I'm not one of the guys (even if I love pedelecs too) that is terrorized from high speeds or by the Idea that a Bicycle is powered by Kwatts.

My concern is simply to understand if with my 19 Kg Dirt Jump e-Bike with a tiny 10Ah nanotechs pack and Matt's drive with a 3220 I have to race with Hubmonsters and deathbikes to beat speed or any other kind of record, or if it's not more logical that these different vehicles race in different categories?
My top speed has been 82 for now (KPH eheh :)) I know It's a little speed compared to the ones of FFR, DeathBike, Hubmonsters and others, but I think It's a remarcable speed for such a lightweight bike, and would like to compare my performances to similar bikes.....

About codes....I don't want to discuss about vehicles codes in different countries, because is not the concern here, but I have a question on It just to explain why, for me, it is not the concern: You say your is a bike because it matches the Code's rules, so now start to make the reverse process and think about existing Bicycles that does not match these rules ( bikes with 12.5"/ 16" wheels and cargos with 4 wheels in USA; any bike that has not a working brake device for each axle here in Italy) are they not bicycles? Isn't my son's 16" bicycle a bike? isn't my fixed a bike (no brakes)?, is my dirt-jump bike not a cycle (1 brake only)?

I like Speed on wheels, I like races, I like records, I like any human device that is not directly born to destroy life and environment....
 
Its cool... But why did he have to peddle then ease into the throttle? Is this a controller problem? Someone build this guy a lebowski controller.
 
Arlo1 said:
Its cool... But why did he have to peddle then ease into the throttle? Is this a controller problem? Someone build this guy a lebowski controller.
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It starts fine from a standstill. They did that to prove it was pedalable.

Matt
 
recumpence said:
Arlo1 said:
Its cool... But why did he have to peddle then ease into the throttle? Is this a controller problem? Someone build this guy a lebowski controller.
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It starts fine from a standstill. They did that to prove it was pedalable.

Matt
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Why did he roll so gently onto the throttle??
 
Arlo1 said:
recumpence said:
Arlo1 said:
Its cool... But why did he have to peddle then ease into the throttle? Is this a controller problem? Someone build this guy a lebowski controller.
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It starts fine from a standstill. They did that to prove it was pedalable.

Matt
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Why did he roll so gently onto the throttle??
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It was to save components from breaking. They were worried about breaking stuff.

That being said, they have been pushing it and it is holding up well.

The same drive was used on my yellow trike. The best acceleration I saw was 0 to 70 in under 4 second's according to my gps.

I went through a lot of tires. :)
 
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