P R O J E C T "Y" KILLABICYCLE World record 17 june 2009

[solarbbq2003]

hey doc amazing stuff, dont want to be a stick in the mud, but lowell posted a 99.7km/hr speed back in 2007,
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1038&p=15741&hilit=99.7km%2Fh+on+the+RM503#p15741

 

[Achim]

solarbbq,

Downhill doesn't count. Anyone can theoretically do 100kmh downhill even without motor ( if they aren't too scared )

 

[Doctorbass]

hey doc amazing stuff, dont want to be a stick in the mud, but lowell posted a 99.7km/hr speed back in 2007,
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1038&p=15741&hilit=99.7km%2Fh+on+the+RM503#p15741

I know.. I remember, that was very impressive !! but my recorded speed was on flat! and with a front wind of 20-25km/h!

My cycle analyst also posted a speed of 101km/h.. but my GPS indicated 94.3km/h I prefer to believe the GPS.

Doc

 

[Doctorbass]

My Friend Eric at work extracted the my GPS data to his computer to get the recorded data points!!

Here is the a preview pic of the recorded points.

I also post the official GPX recoeded data point that you can use un google earth to see the real path!

The recorded speed indicate that it's 94.4km/h and not 94.3... anyway!.. i'm satisfied with that actual speed!

ACTIVE LOG192919-48

Longitude: -71.637199
Latitude: 46.773646
Altitude: 135.734 meters
Speed: 94.4 km/hour
Heading: 140.2
Time: 2009-06-17T23:32:32Z

Doc

 

[AussieJester]

It has a 1,800wh battery that can discharge at 50,000w, and has 18hp of electric motor. Can hold 60mph up minor hills, gearing limited 64mph on flat with me sitting in a normal position, not even tucked down.

Does it meet the rule of being an electric bicycle? What sort of speed verification need to be required to claim the record? Do I call Guiness book of world records?

Just catching up on threads since i aint been about for months...Luke..congrats on achieving the fastest bike on the board
haha and its your "every day ride" not purpose built with fairings and such hehee too funny....thats one for the RC motor users

I would say your bike absolutely meets the rule of bicycle without question, only needs to be a bicycle and have an electric motor as far as i'm concerned...I would DEFINITELY be calling up Guinness Book of Records too make everything OFFICIAL as nothing is now by anyone... Look forward to seeing the run anywayz Luke, i also want to take my new cruiser down to The Motorplex (drags) this summer its 25 bucks to run on Wednesday evenings (its street meet my buddies will be running their cars) I don't expect ill get close to your times straight up but in time i maybe more competitive as i add more motors LOL (only have one of the Turnigys at present)...baby steps...(i do have a lighter rider lined up than your ample frame so it might give me an extra advantage and a streamlie fairing for the occasion isn't out of the question LoL)


Nice try their to DocBass whats next more batteries and another run or is that it for this bike?

Congrats again Luke, look forward to seeing some video of the beast smoking up the 1/4 mile

KiM

p.s be sure to take the GSXR1000 along to would like to see you take that down the strip more than the e-bike, have you run it
before on the track? should be good for low mid 9 second pass @ ~250km/hr in street setup shouldnt it?

 

[Doctorbass]

It has a 1,800wh battery that can discharge at 50,000w, and has 18hp of electric motor. Can hold 60mph up minor hills, gearing limited 64mph on flat with me sitting in a normal position, not even tucked down.

Does it meet the rule of being an electric bicycle? What sort of speed verification need to be required to claim the record? Do I call Guiness book of world records?

Just catching up on threads since i aint been about for months...Luke..congrats on achieving the fastest bike on the board
haha and its your "every day ride" not purpose built with fairings and such hehee too funny....thats one for the RC motor users

I would say your bike absolutely meets the rule of bicycle without question, only needs to be a bicycle and have an electric motor as far as i'm concerned...I would DEFINITELY be calling up Guinness Book of Records too make everything OFFICIAL as nothing is now by anyone... Look forward to seeing the run anywayz Luke, i also want to take my new cruiser down to The Motorplex (drags) this summer its 25 bucks to run on Wednesday evenings (its street meet my buddies will be running their cars) I don't expect ill get close to your times straight up but in time i maybe more competitive as i add more motors LOL (only have one of the Turnigys at present)...baby steps...(i do have a lighter rider lined up than your ample frame so it might give me an extra advantage and a streamlie fairing for the occasion isn't out of the question LoL)


Nice try their to DocBass whats next more batteries and another run or is that it for this bike?

Congrats again Luke, look forward to seeing some video of the beast smoking up the 1/4 mile

KiM

p.s be sure to take the GSXR1000 along to would like to see you take that down the strip more than the e-bike, have you run it
before on the track? should be good for low mid 9 second pass @ ~250km/hr in street setup shouldnt it?

iM, preparing an upgraded setup at 136V 200A and.. not that 75% limit throttle i had.. but a real FULL throttle!..

I may also replace the 5302 to a 5303 to try aceleration on the drag lane.

I still reach 90kmh in 7 sec with a 5302 so with a 03 that would be impressive!

Doc

 

[steveo]

It has a 1,800wh battery that can discharge at 50,000w, and has 18hp of electric motor. Can hold 60mph up minor hills, gearing limited 64mph on flat with me sitting in a normal position, not even tucked down.

Does it meet the rule of being an electric bicycle? What sort of speed verification need to be required to claim the record? Do I call Guiness book of world records?

Just catching up on threads since i aint been about for months...Luke..congrats on achieving the fastest bike on the board
haha and its your "every day ride" not purpose built with fairings and such hehee too funny....thats one for the RC motor users

I would say your bike absolutely meets the rule of bicycle without question, only needs to be a bicycle and have an electric motor as far as i'm concerned...I would DEFINITELY be calling up Guinness Book of Records too make everything OFFICIAL as nothing is now by anyone... Look forward to seeing the run anywayz Luke, i also want to take my new cruiser down to The Motorplex (drags) this summer its 25 bucks to run on Wednesday evenings (its street meet my buddies will be running their cars) I don't expect ill get close to your times straight up but in time i maybe more competitive as i add more motors LOL (only have one of the Turnigys at present)...baby steps...(i do have a lighter rider lined up than your ample frame so it might give me an extra advantage and a streamlie fairing for the occasion isn't out of the question LoL)


Nice try their to DocBass whats next more batteries and another run or is that it for this bike?

Congrats again Luke, look forward to seeing some video of the beast smoking up the 1/4 mile

KiM

p.s be sure to take the GSXR1000 along to would like to see you take that down the strip more than the e-bike, have you run it
before on the track? should be good for low mid 9 second pass @ ~250km/hr in street setup shouldnt it?

iM, preparing an upgraded setup at 136V 200A and.. not that 75% limit throttle i had.. but a real FULL throttle!..

I may also replace the 5302 to a 5303 to try aceleration on the drag lane.

I still reach 90kmh in 7 sec with a 5302 so with a 03 that would be impressive!

Doc

Hey Doc,

What controller will you be using? .. with it be irfb4115 in an 18 mosfet controller? or will you buy a kelly!

Doc, i will do my best to get you a nice video of star/delta bike at full speed ...... I'm getting the c/a tuned .. and running properly .. I'm sure .. 90km/h is easily to get to .. 60mph .. is just a hair away!!!

we use single hub motor !!! AussieJester is using a dual motor setup ... even thou this is not fair comparison .....lets show him where the power is at .. and the reliablity of our controllers vs those tiny rc one!!1

-steveo

 

[liveforphysics]

Thank you for the kind words KiM

My goals for my next build are to sustain 100mph, and accelerate faster than my current bike. It will be thanks to 3 spd gearing, delta-wye, dual 500amp capable controllers at 100v, absurdly powerful motors, and the most slick cooling setup ever used on an EV. (at least that I've seen).

100mph on a normal daily rider street bicycle or bust!

And yes, the GSXR1000 has been down the track, 10.22 @ 138mph. Should have been able to get 9's, but I don't run an extended swing-arm or any dragbike stuff, because it's setup for corners rather than straights. Makes it a very squirly girl to launch! I'm gona try it again soon, because i REALLY want to see single digit times, and the bike is capable, the rider is the weak-link.

 

[AussieJester]

we use single hub motor !!!

Nobodies twisting your arm to Steveo...

AussieJester is using a dual motor setup ... even thou this is not fair comparison .....lets show him where the power is at .. and the reliablity of our controllers vs those tiny rc one!!1

-steveo

No he isn't, my Cruiser has a single outrunner (may add another latter see how it goes, if i do i wont be on it i ain't as crazy as Luke i have fallen off and broken too many bones to be so these days...) I'll be runnin a 3 speed<--more sensible than piling 130volts of Konions on a bicycle frame IMHO, i think its plain ridiculous to do so. ...just my opinion. One of these days one of you will electrocute yourself, i actually heard the other day on average 21 people die each year from touching a 9v DC battery on their tongue ! playing with over 100v disaster waiting to happen...My cruiser isn't a serious attempt at the record i don't know anyone crazy enough (sober) to attempt the speeds Luke is aiming for on a bicyle, just a bit of fun at the drags this summer instead of just watching mates run, if i personally can get to 100km/hr ill be rapt.


And Luke Luke Luke ... 100v of Lipos...damn man i can't decide if you have a death wish or your just got balls the size of basketballs LoL have you ever riding Solos at the speedway? from my experience two things usually happen, you stay on or you hit the fence either way bud I think you have what it takes to attempt it HAHAHA Best of luck with the new ride Luke, don't think you will need it, Doc will be towing a trailer with 300v of Konions before too long.... and failing beat you..LoL...

launching a bike like a GSXR hard aint an easy task is it buddy! at least your honest and one of the few that would admit its the rider holding the bike back :: wink :: You have the skills to extend a swing arm, can't you pick one up mod it and slip it on for "special occasions" ? Maybe even some shorter forks for the front and a wheelie bar ahhh frock iT just build a full blown Nitro Bike and stopping piss farting about Luke as they say... "petrol is for washing parts...alcohol is for drinking...NITRO is for RACING!!!"

KiM

P.S best of Luck to you too Doc please take care though pal don't want to be reading your obituary instead of a failed record attmept

 

[rkosiorek]

Aussiejester,

what are you running as a transmission? 3speed?

rick

 

[Doctorbass]

Guys, ebike and drag/speed is getting serious here.. lol

I'll be running The Kelly from Methods. at max voltage for top speed.

Like Bikeraider mentionned, on the 100V setup i'm running A123 cells.. 71 miliohm total for the pack RI 28s4p. The voltage drop at 100A is minimal and i can fully charge this battery pack in 25 minutes.. VERY USEFULL for multi race drag. i'll add 8s4p battery to the existing pack. i've calculated that with 4p pack configuration, the power density is perfect compared to having 5p or 6p about the Voltage drop reduced by adding more p.. 4p is just perfect for the 100-150A i need.

AussieJester,
About electrocution, I often accidently touch the + and - of the 100V contactor serie/parallel terminal and unless it is raining, i feel nothing.....

100Vdc is nothing compared to 120Vac.... +170V peak and -170Vpeak
( virtually 340VDC variation from one polarity to the other about what you feel...)

340 vs 100 ...

For sure I ever roasted a saussage with the 100V on my ebike with two electrode... but saussage contain salt and the electrode puncture the saussage making better conduction.. buy my body conduct around 5 to 10 kohm.. and at 100V it's 1-5mA max.. so..

I'm more affraid about microwave transformer experiment, rail gun, Jaccobs lader, neon transformer and can crusher!
Doc

 

[AussieJester]

I have a copy of the Australian Nation Drag Racing Association (A.N.D.R.A) rules relating to the requirements for a electrical drag vehicle...DocBass your bike wouldn't be allowed on the track in OZ, sadly Luke neither would yours :-( Just skimming through the requirements neither of your bikes meet minimum length neither have shield over the motors ot clearly marked battery isolation switches with the obligatory "red triangle" with OFF position clearly marked with illuminated light when in "ON" position(Luke you should know this your a ex-racer !!!) the driver must be able to actuate the master cut-off with both hands on the handlebars and both feet on the pegs, Also electric motorcycles (which i think would cover the e-bicycle too) switch attached to the rider with a lanyard, capable of shutting off all power to motor. ...Luke your batteries need to be 'isolated' from the driver ie: in a container WITH appropriate bolt size is needed v's the weight of packs too apparently...Here's a copy of the rules and regs for any Aussies wishing to take their rides to the strip (these regs are for tracks that are members of ANDRA...which is pretty much every 1/4mile track in the land of OZ) anywayz as i said this is for Australia i would check your countries regs, ii it aint legal it aint an "official record" Thought i would bring this up seeing your going to be dropping some decent coin on your setup Luke might as well get the rules and regs and make it legal then you can claim the first "Official Record" for an ebike Best of luck Luke i will be cheering for you buddy


KiM

P.S doesn't concern you two fellas but i thought this was worth mentioning-->

Competitors are not permitted to use flooded batteries on an Electric Motorcycle. If the battery has any liquid inside, including gel, it is not permitted.

EDIT:

P.S.S Luke..where is your partner in lunacy? fellow GangSTA?... i speak of course of Methy? i haven't seen him on the boards recently has his missus put the foot down on his e-bike time since he got hitched? Or is he simply in the dark working quietly until ready to UNLEASH his latest build on us unsuspecting souls? LoL Hiya Patrick if you read this long time no speak...

 

[dequinox]

Hi Doctorbass,

I wanted to ask you a question about the fairing you put on the killabicycle. I also ride an upright bike, and am considering building a small front fairing to disperse the wind resistance around my body better. Of course I can tuck and try to reduce it that way...but a fairing is cooler! How much better does your bike perform with the fairing than without?

Thanks!
Dequinox

 

[Doctorbass]

Hi Doctorbass,

I wanted to ask you a question about the fairing you put on the killabicycle. I also ride an upright bike, and am considering building a small front fairing to disperse the wind resistance around my body better. Of course I can tuck and try to reduce it that way...but a fairing is cooler! How much better does your bike perform with the fairing than without?

Thanks!
Dequinox

I have no precise data about that, I only designed that as i feel it seem to work well.

The best is to smooth slope and every part that could make turbulence... and also to have the ebike the closer to the ground. Offering less arees to the front wind is the key.

Doc

 

[liveforphysics]

Test some cells Doc!

 

[dequinox]

I have no precise data about that, I only designed that as i feel it seem to work well.

The best is to smooth slope and every part that could make turbulence... and also to have the ebike the closer to the ground. Offering less arees to the front wind is the key.

Doc

Ok, thanks for the input! Would you say you felt a significant difference in riding it without the fairing you put on there? I noticed some videos where you rode without it...

 

[Doctorbass]

Test some cells Doc!

That is coming , just plenty of other things to solve now :?

I know folk is waiting for that, i'm sorry for the delay, Again, I preffer choosing the right time to do that instead of "trying" to fo that fast without accurate results...

I had to do last battery tests twice because of some error occured because of the room temp that wasn't stable during the discharge data.. My room temp controller just set back to auto instead of manual seting and... results was clarely affected.

Everybody must understand that testing batteri is not just conecting a CBa to a cell!

Comparing cells introduce many parameter ithat i must keep constant!.. and for that i also must test battery non stop... I mean i can't do some test one day and do the rest 3 days after.. keeping conditions stable is critical and... dificult I realized I must have a large time windows.. of few days. and it,s difficult i'm busy these times.


But once you do that.. you get repetable and constant results

That's the only way i preffer working with.

Doc

 

[karma]

sounds like you need a lab :wink: or a decommissioned server room.