Perpetual motion magnetic motor...possible?

[johnrobholmes]

I believe there is no finite boundaries to the universe, and that all particles can be broken down into smaller universes. Our entire known existence may be just one small part of a larger particle, just as well as particles that I encounter may have existences inside them that are infinite.

It is very hard to resolve the idea of an infinite world with my life however. I want to attribute round to the universe shape too, but there is no way of knowing what really "is".

 

[EMF]

Just saw this. Some of the more learned around here probably knew this already. It kind of fits in with the discussion methinks...

The horizon problem

OUR universe appears to be unfathomably uniform. Look across space from one edge of the visible universe to the other, and you'll see that the microwave background radiation filling the cosmos is at the same temperature everywhere. That may not seem surprising until you consider that the two edges are nearly 28 billion light years apart and our universe is only 14 billion years old.

Nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, so there is no way heat radiation could have travelled between the two horizons to even out the hot and cold spots created in the big bang and leave the thermal equilibrium we see now.

This "horizon problem" is a big headache for cosmologists, so big that they have come up with some pretty wild solutions. "Inflation", for example.

You can solve the horizon problem by having the universe expand ultra-fast for a time, just after the big bang, blowing up by a factor of 1050 in 10-33 seconds. But is that just wishful thinking? "Inflation would be an explanation if it occurred," says University of Cambridge astronomer Martin Rees. The trouble is that no one knows what could have made that happen, but see Inside inflation: after the big bang. http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19325931.400

So, in effect, inflation solves one mystery only to invoke another. A variation in the speed of light could also solve the horizon problem - but this too is impotent in the face of the question "why?" In scientific terms, the uniform temperature of the background radiation remains an anomaly.

 

[deronmoped]

I was watching a show about the history of telescopes last night and they briefly got into the unresolved issue with explaining the expansion of the Universe. Right now in order to "not" change the existing laws of gravity, they have made up "Dark Matter/Energy". They said if they can not find any "Dark Matter/Energy" or whatever, they may have to go back and redo everything we know about how gravity effects the Universe.

Funny how Mother Nature, over our history of "Scientific Knowledge", has always poked it's nose and there and forced the scientist to be humble once again. "Oh, that, it was just a theory, I never said it was 100% right, those other scientist did it, I was out to lunch, the dog eat my peer review, the computer model just needs a little adjusting, someone tripped over the cord...

Deron.

 

[steelefist]

Supposing it is possible to create a perpetual motion device. A rotating mechanical gyroscope in the vacuum and sparseness of deep space could possibly have zero resistance to it's motion - and spin forever. Even if such a machine existed on Earth it would be useless. To get anything useful from it, such as electricity generation, would require disturbing the perfect equilibrium, eventually or rapidly stopping it, surely.

 

[knightmb]

Supposing it is possible to create a perpetual motion device. A rotating mechanical gyroscope in the vacuum and sparseness of deep space could possibly have zero resistance to it's motion - and spin forever. Even if such a machine existed on Earth it would be useless. To get anything useful from it, such as electricity generation, would require disturbing the perfect equilibrium, eventually or rapidly stopping it, surely.

Hence why none exist here on Earth and probably never will.

There is nothing wrong with a "free-to-collect" energy machine (like solar panels, steam power, etc.), it's just people are fixed on the "free-from-nothing" energy machine. Which if one were to collect energy from nothing dives in to Quantum theories on particles that can pop in and out of existence, but still it's just coming from another Universe so you really aren't getting something from nothing, just something from somewhere else.

Think of it like those Radio towers that broadcast many mega-watts of power signals. Does that mean that I can place an infinite number of antenna around it and collect more energy that you are putting into it? Of course not, each little radio that picks up the signal is taking away power but people think that you could have an infinite number of car stereos to get the signal and the tower wouldn't notice a thing. They also think that magnets are another "infinite" energy source, except they forgot how much energy it took to "create" them in the first place. It might as well be a battery, because even magnets lose their field over time because, well it's taking away energy, in magnets, the alignment of atoms is breaking up.

All in all, it still takes energy, either exactly or more than you start with because of loss from practically everything, LOL.

 

[Anonymous]

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[Reid Welch]

The US Patent Office ceased accepting the flood of perpetual motion schemes, I don't know when;
perhaps more than a century ago. Oh, they'll accept applications, but no patents are ever issued. Why?
It's a conspiracy of common sense that an engineer of 1850 could fully explain as preposterous.

You cannot patent "perpetual motion" because such a thing on Earth is impossible.

To put it wryly: there is no free crunch, period.

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exception: the bird feeder mobile:
http://www.google.com/patents?q=perpetual+motion&as_psrg=1

 

[Reid Welch]

I had fully one century's collection of bound (ex-library) The Scientific American. I read ever line of every volume, which took years.

Delight at the new scheme of a certain PT Barnum, in 1851, to promote a Fire Annihilator (marble dust, sulfuric acid, in a pressure vessel.

Every month or so, the humorous Editors exposed the latest Perpetual Motion scheme. It was always hilarious. Most were "magenetic". All were chicanery.

Do you know it is possible for a small boy to thread-drive a ten ton flywheel using a sewing thread and reduction and a hand crank. On good bearings, such a flywheel would store immense amounts of "energy", ready to be tapped for demonstrations to credulous fools with investment money.

So it goes. They built a bridge in Brooklyn. It stands today, sound as the day it was opened to traffic,
because it was built by engineers, not hoodlums and hoodwinkers.

Look up the history of that living bridge. John Roebling would not live to see its dediction, but he wove the rope,
and oversaw the early construction. Cassions. Pressure sickness. The Bends were first learned out. Men died,
yet, they MADE the damned thing a perfection of success, which will outlast centuries more of time.

Oh, and to see Edison saunter into the Editor's office with a curious machine that bade him "how do you do?"
And....all the Golden Age of Electro-mechanics and huge-scale engineering is there.

Much of this is on the web, free. Google Book Search "Cassier's Magazine" for incredible true stories of things that would never wear out; only be ripped down for "improvements".

Perpetual motion. I eat beans. I get perpetual motion. It's gas physics, and oh what a glorious light when matched!

 

[ausGeoff]

Regarding the first vid of the "magnetic motor", I find it difficult to believe that a guy who can barely construct and/or articulate a sentence in English has the mental prowess to design something that's escaped the abilities of thousands of scientists and engineers over the last couple of centuries.