Phaserunner, cycle Analysts alternatives

[jpc6000]

Hi,

So many problems with phaserunner and grin technologies that I want to find alternative for bike controllers and cycle Analysts.

Even when you buy products for thousands $ from them they don't answer. Canadians!

Still using xt60 connector after 3 phaserunner burned of bad connection, .

Phaserunner v6 and Still not xt90!

Cycle Analysts looks like screen of past century.

Or I have to build myself, in China or Taiwan.

 

[stancecoke]

What is your requirement?
- max power?
- regen?
- simple PAS?
- torquesensor?
- small basic display, or big screen with thousands of information?
....

regards
stancecoke

 

[jpc6000]

This is for the bafang ultra, I want to use max 72V and +/- 70A continuously. Max 5000 watt.
The new Bafang work without hall sensor, why? Sensorless is the new version.
What is there good on, sensorless?
Why they have done that, don't understand .

Screen color, clock, GPS, something like in electric cars, but smaller.

There was company that made this, but I think stopped or not available and bad service, thought it was also Canadian company .

 

[stancecoke]

This is for the bafang ultra

So you want to keep the torquesensor? Or use just the throttle?
Luna Cycle offers VESC based controllers for the Bafang middrives.

M600 Ludicrous Controller Upgrade

Distributors and builders of life changing electric bikes.

lunacycle.com

 

[jpc6000]

That's looks great, I shall do some research

All these controllers looks like big boxes only phaserunner don't.
But there service and sales are garbage. Therefore nobody sells it, I think.

 

[Patchogue]

Sorry to hear about your bad experiences with Grin Tech. They have been super with me and any other person I know that have bought from them.

They are working on new displays. Some kits come already with new displays and hopefully soon you would be able to buy a display to work with different grin tech controllers.
The CA is definitely not a display to satisfy the looks but it has a lot of geeky information in there.

If you find something more suitable with better customer service let us know.

 

[jpc6000]

I wrote that I want to buy, don't answer. Maybe a lot of work. I shall wait some time.

That they work on new screen fine.

But why not put the xt90 connector if they always burn? Or not with the V6?

Luna M600 Ludicrous Controller Upgrade, that is what I want, but you need probably bought the motor or bike by them.

Enter Your X-1/2 Bike Order# and Who Approved it (Prior Approval Required): *

 

[jpc6000]

Sorry to hear about your bad experiences with Grin Tech. They have been super with me and any other person I know that have bought from them.

They are working on new displays. Some kits come already with new displays and hopefully soon you would be able to buy a display to work with different grin tech controllers.
The CA is definitely not a display to satisfy the looks but it has a lot of geeky information in there.

If you find something more suitable with better customer service let us know.

Your Oekraïns flag,

 

[Patchogue]

I didn't answer your question because I don't know an alternative. That's why I said if you find something let us know.

ASI BAC are the ones you're probably talking about, yes they are Canadian. I haven't checked their products for a long time.
Last time (long time ago) I checked about Luna, you had to buy a complete bike.

Seems like you have a problem with Canadians in general, sorry to hear that.

 

[jpc6000]

No, I like Canadians, It's Poetin and Maga that I hate.

ASI bac looks also good, but that's bad service. Mostly have the product out of stock.

 

[jpc6000]

BAC4000 High Power Controller Evaluation Kit
Regular price$1,600.00
Evaluation kit, the real thing more expensive?
Crazy and too big and probably out stock, can't buy.
After 5 years still the same.

 

[stancecoke]

ASI bac looks also good

Phaserunner and Baserunner are products of ASI also.
But ASI doesn't want to deal directly with bike owners. The controllers can be fine tuned in many ways, but you have to know, what you do. The ASI support is only for OEM or other professionals.
For the high power fans, there are Kelly, Votol or Sabvoton controllers, they are quite popular, but I have no experience with them.

 

[neptronix]

Your ASI experience will be worse.

My 2nd best / higher power option is the VESC, and i like the spintend brand because they seem made well for the dollar. I wouldn't buy cheaper.
Sensorless drive on the VESCs is excellent.
Outside of it's warts for ebike usage.. it might be one of the best controllers out there.

Negatives:
Packaging of VESCs is awful, not water proof, and tons of wires. It's a big negative that can only be fixed by stuffing it into a case.
It can support PAS/torque sensing, but it requires loading additional code into the controller to support it.
You'll have a very hard, maybe impossible time finding a good screen for it.

 

[neptronix]

I don't see why you can't just solder on a XT90 onto a phaserunner.
The new superharness allows for a large variety of screens.

Easy solutions to your existing problems.. except needing 70 amps of battery power!

 

[jpc6000]

I have also problems with the phaserunner for correct settings for the bafang m620/ultra
I want to build electric bikes that can work in traffic, and the max speed 70/90km/u
ecologisch, the lower the speed the better
But the communication with grin technologies is very difficult
no service

Do any knows the optimale values for the bafang m620, with the phaserunner, with the phaserunner suite?

 

[E-HP]

I have also problems with the phaserunner for correct settings for the bafang m620/ultra
I want to build electric bikes that can work in traffic, and the max speed 70/90km/u
ecologisch, the lower the speed the better
But the communication with grin technologies is very difficult
no service

Do any knows the optimale values for the bafang m620, with the phaserunner, with the phaserunner suite?

Grin probably heard your speed goals using a phaserunner and Bafang ultra and couldn’t stop laughing long enough to write back. The phaserunner is rated by phase current, not battery current. You can’t get 5000w continuous out of it, maybe half that, and no where near enough to get you up to 90. You probably need liquid cooling for the ultra.

 

[jpc6000]

70/90km with a lot of tailwind
with bafang bbs02 1500 watt i drove 67km/u max with big tailwind
normaly 60 km/u

 

[mcfizzlestag]

I've used the phaserunner on the m620, and it just isn't the right product for that use, even with stock wattage, i ended up giving up and just going back to stock. There is a lot of electromagnetic interference on this motor that will interfere with your speed sensor readings and the torque sensing. In the end, you are paying a lot of money for a kit that can just do throttle only without a speedometer. The folks over at High Voltage Light Electric Vehicles are still trying to work through this EMI issue to bring an m620 ASI based kit to market, but so far no progress updates lately. At the moment you are likely stuck with shunt modded 52V max controllers, or the VESC option mentioned above.

A lot of the enthusiasts who had the m620 managed to get their hands on the Innotrace x1 controller and so the tinkering kinda stopped, especially when the CANBUS kits started hitting the scene and scaring away folks.

 

[cobraprom620]

I've used the phaserunner on the m620, and it just isn't the right product for that use, even with stock wattage, i ended up giving up and just going back to stock. There is a lot of electromagnetic interference on this motor that will interfere with your speed sensor readings and the torque sensing. In the end, you are paying a lot of money for a kit that can just do throttle only without a speedometer. The folks over at High Voltage Light Electric Vehicles are still trying to work through this EMI issue to bring an m620 ASI based kit to market, but so far no progress updates lately. At the moment you are likely stuck with shunt modded 52V max controllers, or the VESC option mentioned above.

A lot of the enthusiasts who had the m620 managed to get their hands on the Innotrace x1 controller and so the tinkering kinda stopped, especially when the CANBUS kits started hitting the scene and scaring away folks.

What are your settings. Ive just got mine working smd running high voltage kit with phase runner. Its alot better than stock for sure and torque assist works great. I can send my file if you wanna load it and try

 

[cobraprom620]

I have also problems with the phaserunner for correct settings for the bafang m620/ultra
I want to build electric bikes that can work in traffic, and the max speed 70/90km/u
ecologisch, the lower the speed the better
But the communication with grin technologies is very difficult
no service

Do any knows the optimale values for the bafang m620, with the phaserunner, with the phaserunner suite?

I have a working tune that is still being adjust by me but its at least workable and torque assist works good

 

[jpc6000]

I shall buying an bac855, and trying it.
Do I need usb cable or can I program it through Bluetooth?
I see that their is Bluetooth version is.
I can buy bac 855 but not program for bafang.



I the bafang configuration available?




For the usb cable they ask 80$, transport and import tax it shall be more than 100 euro for cable, can I made it myself? Or use Bluetooth?



It's like also some protection, you need to buy evaluation kit 1000$ to program it, or not?

These company looks absolutely not transparent.

Can I find the information for program the bac 855.

 

[jpc6000]

Grin probably heard your speed goals using a phaserunner and Bafang ultra and couldn’t stop laughing long enough to write back. The phaserunner is rated by phase current, not battery current. You can’t get 5000w continuous out of it, maybe half that, and no where near enough to get you up to 90. You probably need liquid cooling for the ultra.

Liquid cooling

 

[TPEHAK]

So you want to keep the torquesensor? Or use just the throttle?
Luna Cycle offers VESC based controllers for the Bafang middrives.

M600 Ludicrous Controller Upgrade

Distributors and builders of life changing electric bikes.

lunacycle.com

There is an open source VESC controller for Bafang m620 Ultra. This is the best controller for Bafang m620.

The funny thing is this controller has not only the best performance whiting all the options you might find, but also it is the cheapest one if you build it yourself. If someone will order a big batch it is going to be even cheaper, probably way less than $100 per unit.

Archon X1 Programming Thread (questions and experiences)

I played around a little bit and was finally able to connect via VESC Tool to my Innotrace X1! First I made connection using a simple USB to CAN adapter (e.g. canable) and tried to send common VESC CAN commands (VESC CAN-Bus Communication). I got no response and assumed it has been either...

forums.electricbikereview.com

 

[jpc6000]

Luna cycles only sell there ludicrous controller only with bike. Have ask, protectionisme form USA!

There is an open source VESC controller for Bafang m620 Ultra. This is the best controller for Bafang m620.

Can't find it. Please give link.
Find archon X1 controller in USA EbikeHavens.com
Archon X1 controller-only upgrade for your Bafang Ultra $849.00 when in EU more than 1000$ not 100$
The link to Germany Home The controller not to find on website, have ask info.

The funny thing is this controller has not only the best performance whiting all the options you might find, but also it is the cheapest one if you build it yourself. If someone will order a big batch it is going to be even cheaper, probably way less than $100 per unit.

Archon X1 Programming Thread (questions and experiences)

I played around a little bit and was finally able to connect via VESC Tool to my Innotrace X1! First I made connection using a simple USB to CAN adapter (e.g. canable) and tried to send common VESC CAN commands (VESC CAN-Bus Communication). I got no response and assumed it has been either...

forums.electricbikereview.com

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[jpc6000]

I have bought two asi 855, these controller is perfect.
Without bluetooth 180 euro. This is a good price for 50/70A controller.
Also connector
Phaserunner bad software, connections for their motors.
Even after buying +1000$ and new order for 10000$ no respons.



Now connect to a computer.
I have find connection cable, too much money, can make it better diy.

If anyone knows how to connect to USB and the motor?
I have still a ca, this controller can also be connected to ca, how?
And have different bafang screens, I can use these also, how to connect those?
Or link.

The eggrider is it good? That works at max 60V also the bafang screens I have, but also max 60V.
Only the bafang 950c screen, saw I, that works with asi. True?
The eggrider how to connect, then can I maybe also use the bafang screens. Max 60v.
Also asi better then phaserunner, you can use other screens .

The x1 controller is I see max 2300 watt
And it's inside the motor more head, then you should need cooling the motor.

On the asi controller are cooling fins and you can place more cooling on it.