Rear U brakes on a MTB?

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Hi guys
I have disc brakes on a spare bike of mine and Im installing a rear motor. There is no place to install any adaptor of any kind on the left side of the motor so I searched and read about U brakes.
Is there a particular kit that is recommended and reasonably priced? Id be needing to get a cable and lever as well so Im assuming there is a complete kit out there on the market?
Thought Id ask the ebikw experts first..thanks!
 
U brakes! Do you mean those horrendously useless calliper style rim brakes that sit down near your bottom bracket bolted onto the chain stays?
Urrgh!! I breifly tried one in the early 90s- there's a reason they quietly died.
Can you buy a disc brake compatible side cover for your motor?
I'm assuming you don't have V brake mounts- cause if you do, use them!
 
If you don't have V-brake mounts, you can buy a clamp-on bracket that gives you mounting bosses for them. I don't remember who makes them, but I've seen them around.

I've made my own by cutting the U-frame with them on it off of garbage front "shock" forks I get on junked bikes. I've tried them welded on and they're much stronger than when clamped on, but they work either way.
 
kdog said:
U brakes! Do you mean those horrendously useless calliper style rim brakes that sit down near your bottom bracket bolted onto the chain stays?
Urrgh!! I breifly tried one in the early 90s- there's a reason they quietly died.

U-brakes worked great if you bothered to set them up worth a damn. They're not really an improvement over V-brakes, but they are much superior to most traditional cantilevers that were the main alternative at the time.

The main drawback to U-brakes was their tendency to clog up with mud when ridden in mud, which is really no different from caliper brakes. And there is the matter of them needing special frame mounted studs to attach them, like cantilever studs but differently located and larger in diameter. They're still used commonly on BMX bikes, though in that world they're more often called "990" brakes, after the Dia Compe model that was industry standard for a long time.

U-brakes have the situational advantage of using traditional short throw levers, unlike V-brakes which needs special long throw levers. That makes U-brakes compatible with most e-levers.

Both cantilever/V-brakes and U-brakes have adapter plates available for mounting them on the brake bridges of frames intended to use caliper brakes. As Amberwolf pointed out, adapter mounted versions lack the stiffness of frame stud mounted versions, but they're still generally more powerful than calipers of similar reach.

Apropos the OP's question: You can probably find dual pivot caliper brakes of appropriate reach to mount on the center bolt hole above your wheel. That's the simplest way to go. Measure the vertical distance between the bolt hole and the braking surfaces of the rim; that's the reach number you'll use to choose a brake. Something like the Dia Compe DL800 might work (up to 79mm reach), or your frame might require something longer.
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kdog said:
U brakes! Do you mean those horrendously useless calliper style rim brakes that sit down near your bottom bracket bolted onto the chain stays?

I actually thought of these at first, I had these on my first bike at age 9, would be a lot of work to install
 

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dingoEsride said:
I actually thought of these at first, I had these on my first bike at age 9, would be a lot of work to install

Those are called stirrup brakes. They're simple and reliable, and they don't require replacement cables. On the other hand, they're not very powerful and they are strongly affected by unevenness in the rim.
 
Yes they where a pull up against the rim system using adjustable rods, shame now looking back that I chopped it, well I was a kid
 
Chalo said:
kdog said:
U brakes! Do you mean those horrendously useless calliper style rim brakes that sit down near your bottom bracket bolted onto the chain stays?
Urrgh!! I breifly tried one in the early 90s- there's a reason they quietly died.

U-brakes worked great if you bothered to set them up worth a damn. They're not really an improvement over V-brakes, but they are much superior to most traditional cantilevers that were the main alternative at the time.

The main drawback to U-brakes was their tendency to clog up with mud when ridden in mud, which is really no different from caliper brakes. And there is the matter of them needing special frame mounted studs to attach them, like cantilever studs but differently located and larger in diameter. They're still used commonly on BMX bikes, though in that world they're more often called "990" brakes, after the Dia Compe model that was industry standard for a long time.

U-brakes have the situational advantage of using traditional short throw levers, unlike V-brakes which needs special long throw levers. That makes U-brakes compatible with most e-levers.

Both cantilever/V-brakes and U-brakes have adapter plates available for mounting them on the brake bridges of frames intended to use caliper brakes. As Amberwolf pointed out, adapter mounted versions lack the stiffness of frame stud mounted versions, but they're still generally more powerful than calipers of similar reach.

Apropos the OP's question: You can probably find dual pivot caliper brakes of appropriate reach to mount on the center bolt hole above your wheel. That's the simplest way to go. Measure the vertical distance between the bolt hole and the braking surfaces of the rim; that's the reach number you'll use to choose a brake. Something like the Dia Compe DL800 might work (up to 79mm reach), or your frame might require something longer.
Dia-Compe-Old-School-Vintage-Track-Brake-Front-Brake-Caliper-For-Bicycle-city-and-comfort-bikesilver-0-0.jpg

Thx for your reply!
Simple is best for me and also even if they dont perform that good then its still better than none at all. I still have a disc up front.
Also do the cable and lever come together as a set?
I usually only see the brake system itself.
Thanks
 
Some very cheap brakes come with brake, cable, and lever all together, but most brakes must be gotten separately from their levers and cables. In any case, the cable housing must be cut and finished to suit the specific installation. You might as well pick out a lever you like while you're at it.
 
Stirrup brakes! Ha! I usually really respect your opinion chalo but here I have to differ. U brakes ( wasn't my bike) are crap and not much better than those stirrup brakes! But they have vintage style.
Didn't know about the V brake adapter... Could be a good option!
 
Good U brakes yes. bad ones taken from a 100 buck bike no.

Is there threads on the left side of the motor, similar to those for the freewheel on the right? if so, you can use a screw on brake disc adapter.

they suck,, usually a pain to get everything lined up, but it's an option if you have the threads.

V brakes easy, if your frame has the mount for them.
 
dogman dan said:
Good U brakes yes. bad ones taken from a 100 buck bike no.

Is there threads on the left side of the motor, similar to those for the freewheel on the right? if so, you can use a screw on brake disc adapter.

they suck,, usually a pain to get everything lined up, but it's an option if you have the threads.

V brakes easy, if your frame has the mount for them.

Hi
Do you mean using the axle threads on the left side?
If so, is there a specific name for that part?
There are no threads on the left side of the motor itself.
 
kdog said:
Stirrup brakes! Ha! I usually really respect your opinion chalo but here I have to differ. U brakes ( wasn't my bike) are crap and not much better than those stirrup brakes! But they have vintage style.
Didn't know about the V brake adapter... Could be a good option!

The U-brake I used most was this one, Shimano Deore XT without a booster. It kicked ass.:
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My favorite U-brake in retrospect is the Campagnolo Euclid. I put one of these on my wife's chopper back in the day:
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Here's an adapter plate for a V-brake or cantilever:
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FWIW, I had a Fat Chance MTB with Shimano "U" brake and still have a custom MTB with Scott "U" brake; no problem with the performance of either.
 
Just checked the bolt holt in the frame above the rear wheel. The hole is not going from front to back rather its going up and down in that frame piece
 
Probably for a fender then?
 
I found rim brakes were a complete dead loss, oil would always be washed off the chain and onto the back wheel so the rear brakes would never work.

I ended up machining a calliper mount and fitting a 200mm disc:
 

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RustyKipper said:
I found rim brakes were a complete dead loss, oil would always be washed off the chain and onto the back wheel so the rear brakes would never work.

A good alternative going with a disc but why would you use so much oil that it reaches the rim? you can get anti flick lube but mostly I use a light spray of CRC, WD 40 or similar on the chain and never known it to wet the rim
 
This is my commuting hack that does about 25 miles a day, here in the UK it rains quite a lot so what ever I put on the chain doesn't stay there long. The wheels also get caked in mud, clay and cow poo which never added to the efficiency of the rim brakes.

By the way, there is a torque arm on the rear motor, it just wasn't fitted when the picture was take.
 
Yeah,, a wet enough climate can make a rim brake less good. Especially if you don't swerve around the poo.

Re the screw on disk,, I was referring to a threaded section on the actual motor cover, not the axle threads. Sounds like you don't have those, so to get disc brakes you will have to get another motor.

If it's a steel bike,, you can modify it, have whatever you need welded on, to put some v brakes on it, or good quality side pulls.

If the bike has a disc mount,, I'd get another motor. You got a real antique if it cant mount a disc.
 
RustyKipper said:
The wheels also get caked in mud, clay and cow poo which never added to the efficiency of the rim brakes.

Ha ha, I understand, I live in Perth Australia and when it rains it doesn't rain much but I have had isues with mud and gunk catching on rim brakes when bush riding in the cooler months
 
Is there any sort of mounting just behind the bottom bracket under the bike?
 
RustyKipper said:
Is there any sort of mounting just behind the bottom bracket under the bike?

Do u mean down near the pedals? If there ks, how could i install brakes there?
 
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