Reducing a picture to use as an Avatar

Rassy

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I'm having trouble resizing a picture for Avatar use. About five years ago I just opened the picture with "PAINT" and decreased it's size and pixel count. Now when I open my picture in Paint everything seems to work the same, except I can only get it down to about 90KB and as I try to reduce it further it continues to shrink, but the KB stays in the 90 range. I'm using Windows 10 now.

I would appreciate any hints, but remember I'm real old and you can lose me real easy. :D

Thanks for any help.
 
Windows 10:

Open Paint
Click File Tab, then Open, Browse to JPG file you want to resize and doubleclick it's name or thumbnail.
Click Home Tab, click Resize button

Resize and Skew dialog:
Click Pixels
Click in Horizontal textbox to right of that word; type in number of pixels wide you would like it to become
Make sure Maintain Aspect Ratio is checked
Click OK.

Click File Tab, then Save As, and type a new filename for the resized image.



Doing it the way I list above always makes a smaller image for me. How much smaller depends, but as an example, resizing a 600x450 40kb image makes a 50x37 2kb image.

I don't know what size ratios you'll get with other image types but they should be similar.
 
Irfanview is good . Lets you resize by half at a a time and keeps quality.
 
AW, Thanks. That is almost exactly what I have been trying. I think my problem may originate from the camera I have, which is not the same one from several years ago. The pictures start at 2.9MB and 4000 x 3000 pixels and the reduction just stalls by about 90KB no matter what I try. Will see if I can take a picture with "less" resolution. My son will know more about that and may be able to take a more appropriate starting photo.

Torker, thanks, I tried downloading Irfanview but got lost in all the crap they were throwing out. May try it again when I have more time if I can't figure out the initial picture specs issue.
 
Rassy said:
That is almost exactly what I have been trying.
"Almost"?

What are the *exact* steps you are trying?

I did the same steps as I specified previously, with a JPG similar to yours, right off the camera, at 3264x2448 2.9mb, and still get the same results I did with a smaller source image, <10kb when resized to 64pixels wide.

I tried saving as a JPG, PNG, BMP, GIF, and still get files that are all under 10kb.

I experimented with different final resizing dimensions, up to 150pixels wide, and still get images less than 50kb out of the same source image.

If I use an image with lots of stuff going on in it, so that there's high contrast all over the place, it makes larger images than if I use a source image that has large areas of similar coloration, depending on the file format saved in, but again, never anywhere near 90kb.


So I'm not sure where the problem in your computers conversion lies, but your system must be doing something different than mine. :(


(EDIT: I found that if I "select all" / Ctrl-A before I resize, I can reproduce the problem you are having--so make sure you do NOT select any part of the image before resizing).




I don't know Windows10 Paint very well, as I don't normally use it. (I used to use WinXP Paint all the time, but it was much simpler).

Normally I use a free program called AT32Resizer to do all my resizing, because it does whole folders at a time. I use a separate folder for "Pics to Upload" (source images), and "Resized" (resized versions to upload), so that I never overwrite my originals in case I need some detail off an original that can't be seen in the resized version.

If you can't get Paint to do what you want, perhaps google that program and use it?
 
I like to use imageoptimizer.net its easy and simple and you can do it right on the website or download the program.
 
I've had it for awhile. On mine I just select image - resize/resample. Then- Half- a few times and save.

Torker, thanks, I tried downloading Irfanview but got lost in all the crap they were throwing out. May try it again when I have more time if I can't figure out the initial picture specs issue.[/quote]
 
AW, I think you have told me what is wrong in your "Edit" message of your previous post.

First, I did exactly follow your guide, numerous times, and also selected the lowest resolution on my camera, which resulted in a picture of 681.3 KB and 1280 x 960 PX. When resized by selecting 40 PX I get 94.8 KB and 40 x 30 PX. When I redo the test with the original picture but resize by selecting 20 PX I get 93.9 KB and 20 x 15 PX.

When I upload pictures my KODAK software or Windows 10 ends up showing me the photos in a picture format like you would see on Facebook, etc. instead of the little thumbnails or folders that I've seen in the past, and still see when browsing "pictures". I.e., I think the "damage" is done at this point because the pictures have been selected for display based on your "Edit" message.

I will go back and see if I can upload to a specific folder and avoid the automatic "selection" process before doing the resizing.
 
FWIW, selecting for display (I assume in Explorer, rather than in Paint?) has nothing to do with the selection that I am talking about in my edit message. :)

The selection I am talking about that causes the problem is after you have already opened the single image within Windows10 Paint, but before you click the resize button in the Home tab.

I don't know what problems (if any) that selecting multiple images would cause, prior to editing in Paint.

If you are choosing to resize outside of Paint, like in a right-click menu in Explorer, I have no idea what Windows10 does or what the results would be. :(

In case something is happening outside of Paint, don't use Explorer to view or load the pictures into Paint, just open Paint directly from your Start menu, and then use the steps listed at the end of this post.


Try noting down exactly what happens at each step you are performing, and post them up, and I'll see if I can figure out why it's not working. If you attach one of the original images to a post I can also try it here.


I've relisted below the same steps I previously gave, with step numbers at every point and some extra text for clarifications, so we can refer to the step numbers to find where the problem is happening.


1 Open Paint
2 Click File Tab
3 Click Open
4 Browse to JPG file you want to resize
5 Doubleclick it's name or thumbnail.
5A: After the image opens in Paint, do not click the image, or select anything, go straight to step 6
6 Click Home Tab
7 Click Resize button (in Image section of toolbar)
8 In Resize and Skew dialog, Click Pixels
9 Click in Horizontal textbox to right of that word
10 type in number of pixels wide you would like it to become
11 Make sure Maintain Aspect Ratio is checked
12 Click OK. At this point the background of Paint should be a shading color (probably darker at the top and lighter at the bottom), with the resized image in the upper left corner. If the background is solid white, it means one of the above steps did not happen correctly (most likely you selected some or all of the image before resizing, which you should not do).
13 Click File Tab
14 Click Save As (it will automatically save as the same file type (JPG, etc) if you don't need to select a different one).
15 Type a new filename for the resized image (so it doesn't destroy the original)
16 Click OK
17 All done. :)
 
Geez AW, I hate to see you do so much work on this little problem, but I do appreciate it:

1. Open Paint: I click "Type here to search" which returns a search for Apps box. Click Apps. Click Paint which is in the list, and opens the Paint screen.
4. Browse to JPG file: recent thumbnails are displayed without further browsing required to see the picture I want.
5. Double click the file. This file comes direct from the camera at 1280x960 Pixels, 681.3 KB.
6. Click Home tab. After step 5 the full picture image is on the Paint screen with only part of it showing because of the large size. Home tab is already active and ready to proceed to step 7.
10. I typed in 40 (originally 1280) for the horizontal pixels, and the vertical pixels changes to 30 from the original 960.
12. As expected. I.e., shading, small image in upper left corner.
17. Returns to Paint screen showing the new (reduced) file in the upper left with 40 x 30 px and 94.8 KB at bottom of the screen.
18. Fails when submitted as an Avatar because of too large KB.

Here is the file I am trying to use: Too big message appears, so I reduced it by 50% using Paint. Reduced file is 640 x 480 px 292.4 KB.
 

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That's wierd. Using your file, I get the same results you do. :?

Using any similar file of my own, I get the results I'd expect.

I suspect something in the compression ratio ("quality") of the source image is the issue. I think my camera is set to use the highest quality it is capable of, but it's an old camera.

Comparing my source files to yours, the differences are:
Horizontal/Vertical Resolution:
Mine =
96DPI (from cellphone)
72DPI (from Sony DSC-H9)
Yours =
480DPI (from KODAK EASYSHARE M550)

Compressed Bits/Pixel:
Mine =
(blank) (from cellphone)
3 (from Sony DSC-H9)
Yours =
(blank) (from KODAK EASYSHARE M550)



I couldn't get Paint to do it regardless of anything I tried, so I used AT32resizer, and changed it's "quality" setting to 30%, and basically just resaved it at the original size. Then I used Paint and made you two versions; one is 60pixels wide and the other is 120. :)
 

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If you are reading this you can see my Avatar has been updated. Thanks AW, you are probably right that it has something to do with the resolution techniques or whatever that my little camera is using. I'll have my son take a couple of pictures and see what I can do with them.

Of course I could always just use the AW Professional Service Bureau! :D

Thanks again. If you might have any use for a good quality freewheel crank set you can hove one of them that I currently have in the For Sale - Used section. I've had no offers, and I'm just trying to clean house of stuff I don't expect to ever use again.
 
Rassy said:
Thanks again. If you might have any use for a good quality freewheel crank set you can hove one of them that I currently have in the For Sale - Used section. I've had no offers, and I'm just trying to clean house of stuff I don't expect to ever use again.
I'm not sure the help/avatar reduction is worth that much :oops: , but assuming I ever get to building the middrive experiment part of the trike experiment, the cranks would be useful for building it so the power goes thru the pedal chain too.

Maybe you should hold onto them long enough to be sure no one is gonna buy them first so you don't lose money on them?

If I don't have freewheeling cranks, I'd probably weld the threaded flange off a regular rear bike hub onto the side of the input sprocket for the 3speed IGH I'm presently using. Then use a regular singlespeed freewheel for the pedal chain, and run the middrive chain on the original IGH input sprocket.

If I have the freewheeling cranks, I can just weld another sprocket directly to the input sprocket, and not worry about hanging a freewheel out so far from the IGH's face (would probably require a bearing inside it to support it against the axle, if there's even room for it).

With the freewheeling cranks, I could also do it the way you did, with a single chain passing under the motor's sprocket/freewheel, and running the motor backwards. That would be mechanically a lot simpler than any other way (though it complicates using the geared hub; I'd have to mount the sprocket on the opposite side from normal).
 
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