Sheeple

[LockH]

... i believe your wrong a car is a mode of transport not a weapon...

Ignoring the animals injured and killed EVery day (one estimate for USA/North America), about one million EVery day killed...

... and a bunch of those animals human? And can't imagine the numbers injured that crawl off to die in the bushes... Or how `bout all the folks traveling with no option for exercise (pedaling) where "obesity" is a... bit of a "problem", especially for some north americans. Were I "king"? Those drivers over a certain weight must show a note from their doctor explaining some legit "medical condition" otherwise forfeit their right to drive. ("Overweight" a bit of a burden on the taxpayer to support associated medical services.)

But lets not term it a "weapon"... call it a HUGE, HUGE PROBLEM instead.

 

[Ianhill]

... i believe your wrong a car is a mode of transport not a weapon...

Ignoring the animals injured and killed EVery day (one estimate for USA/North America), about one million EVery day killed...

... and a bunch of those animals human? And can't imagine the numbers injured that crawl off to die in the bushes... Or how `bout all the folks traveling with no option for exercise (pedaling) where "obesity" is a... bit of a "problem", especially for some north americans. Were I "king"? Those drivers over a certain weight must show a note from their doctor explaining some legit "medical condition" otherwise forfeit their right to drive. ("Overweight" a bit of a burden on the taxpayer to support associated medical services.)

But lets not term it a "weapon"... call it a HUGE, HUGE PROBLEM instead.

Ai cars will not stop animal deaths on the road not even Ai can bend physics and stop a car instantly sorry Mr bunny rabbit but your still gonna have to use the highway code or risk being flattened.

This is where the risk factor comes in the car will have to calculate while going around a blind bend etc to swerve Mr bunny risk an accident and kill Mr human so I think they will be programmed heavily towards save the human then comes the choice of Mr president coming one way me the other freal course of events lead to an unavoidable accident which one goes off the cliff ?

Weight has no issue to do with driving uness your to large to for the controls 400 pounder plus, some large people have a heart and are genuine nice people, it's not as simple as stop the food or stop the drugs they may be using the addiction to blanket past abuse etc.

The world's complex and a mess, we are trying to tidy up and catogrize everything into order, but while doing so we discovering more and more so it's becoming more jumbled up and a even worse day by day.

 

[Izits]

I want people to be prohibited from driving dangerous machinery in the presence of other non-consenting people. I don't have to trust automated driving systems completely to trust them to be better than human drivers 100% of the time. I believe they're already to that point.

Driving your own car on a public street should get the same treatment as shooting a firearm on a public street. Take it to a closed circuit track if you gotta do that. Human environments are for humans, not murder vehicles.

Wow, that's a very extreme position to take. You want to ban all driving of cars on public roads. Presumably this includes motorcycles and electric bicycles since they both have those dreaded "human drivers" you dislike so much. I hope you mention this desire every time you comment about someone's new electric road bicycle project:

Hey, nice bike but I really want it to be illegal for you to ride that on the road.

Perhaps you'd like to start a sub-forum here to advocate your ideas and get all these pesky human controlled electric bicycles permanently outlawed?

 

[Chalo]

Bikes (including motorcycles) aren't as bad as cars, to the point that I'd say they're not inherently dangerous to others at appropriate speeds.

Cars, on the other hand, pack several times more kinetic energy than necessary to do their jobs; they are specifically designed to shut out sounds, sightlines, and other situational awareness data; they encourage speeding by masking sensory feedback; and they promote risk compensation by armoring their operators against consequences.

Therefore, cars should be under automatic control only, and furthermore they should be limited to comparatively non-lethal speeds (like 15mph) when in cities or other concentrations of people.

We strongly regulate aviation and rail travel for safety reasons. I think we should restrict and selectively prohibit cars at least until their death toll comes down to the same level as air and rail. If after that, bikes start to look like a disproportionate problem, we can take a look at those at that time.

I think it would be a good way to improve the safety of motorbikes to limit their use to riders over 35.

 

[1JohnFoster]

I want people to be prohibited from driving dangerous machinery in the presence of other non-consenting people.
Wow, that's a very extreme position to take. You want to ban all driving of cars on public roads. Presumably this includes motorcycles and electric bicycles since they both have those dreaded "human drivers" you dislike so much. ..

Hey that's a good point, I never thought about! A full bike ban is up there with my 90's nightmare of being stuck in a crowd of Bejing cyclists at 8mph.

I agree with Chalo even though I frequently drive a car; ban the insanity. Luckily I've never hit a ped, nor even a bunny, but I'm always thinking "somebody, stop me!".

My prediction for the near future given these 3 facts;
1) One person/ One vote (majority of whom are car drivers or aspirants)
2) Post Truth
3) The Google
Post Truth demonstrates that Matrix technology is not required to enter an altered state of reality; we're here. Soon most people will believe they "own a car", are "licensed" to drive/kill, and will be gleefully running down peds and flattening bunnies. It's just wanting a "Decree" to make it real in the minds of the Sheeple. The only technology required is VR+GrandTheftAuto+GoogleMap departure reminder ... plus ... a bus pass, or for the Truly Important: a taxi, for the Truly Independant: an ebike.

Chalo's fantasy fulfilled will be crushing a groove through Hummvees driven by whitey corporate executives on his superpower virtual 25" 1971 Raleigh Superbe. While in the real world Google guides his actual 26" 1971 Raleigh Superbe down the center of the right lane, safely away from his righteousidal impulses.

For me, the fantasy will be riding my virtual ebike at 10 feet high through a virtual rainforest. The vague sensation of walking between transfers and my sore bus seat bum might take a bit of getting used to.

 

[Izits]

Bikes (including motorcycles) aren't as bad as cars, to the point that I'd say they're not inherently dangerous to others at appropriate speeds.

So a 1,000 lb motorcycle is fine but an 800 lb car is not, just because a car has four wheels? No logic here. I don't see that you've given this much thought.

All of your ideas always follow the same template. Chalo decides what everyone shall do, and then you want an infinite sized government to force people to comply or be killed. You leave no room for personal choice, no room for personal freedom. No communities deciding local laws, doesn't matter what the people would choose for themselves. Everything dogmatically ruled by an elite group of oppressive government figures in one-size-fits all fashion. Your world is always soul-crushingly dystopian.

If a community of people want to drive their vehicles around and not get rained on, they should have the collective freedom to do so.

 

[Chalo]

Find me an 800 pound car you can buy today. You're taking nonsense again, like someone with minimal experience of the real world.

Even riders of 1000 pound motorcycles aren't so isolated and protected that they drive like aggressive jackasses. If they do, they should be restricted too.

 

[Dauntless]

Perhaps you'd like to start a sub-forum here to advocate your ideas and get all these pesky human controlled electric bicycles permanently outlawed?

It was proposed, a thread was devoted to it, but he wouldn't take it up.

http://avtoz.net/the-lotus-appeared-the-800-pound-sports-car/

 

[Chalo]

I did say, "that you can buy today". Today, even a freak skeleton car like the Ariel Atom weighs close to 1500 pounds; a 21st century Lotus weighs over a ton.

 

[Dauntless]

First of all don't take it so personally, I was just showing 800 pound cars. Oh, that Elise came out just a few years ago.

Hmm, what else could I find?

Tata Motors was and maybe still is offering an 1100 pound car, I didn't find a Chery quite that light. The "Tut-tuts they run around with some Asian countries are bound to be less than 800. What does the Gem weigh? (Left deliberately to give someone else a chance.)

Crazy Jerry's Centurion which you might recall is reputed to be considerably lighter than the standard 1200 pounds.

Yay NC State. All the way. . . .

 

[Izits]

Find me an 800 pound car you can buy today.

The numbers are irrelevant . You're just trying to divert attention from the obvious lack of logic and changes of direction in your arguments.


It occurred to me today that your desire to ban people from driving their own electric cars is philosophically identical to the corrupt politicians in New York who have banned people from riding their electric bicycles. You start with cars, they start with bicycles but in the end you both get around to banning everything. The one and only difference between your ideals and theirs is that they want their notions of control to be forced on the people at gunpoint, and you want your notions of control to be forced on the people at gunpoint. Pretty fascinating huh?

You advocate all these controls and restrictions on various activities and modes of transportation. You think your giant government is just going to say "but electric bikes are swell, you guys can ride those all you like". Are you that naive Chalo? Calling for big government and lots of regulations will KILL ELECTRIC BICYCLES along with every other recreation and activity that doesn't make money for the elites you put in power. First to go will be riding electric bicycles off road, you know they will outlaw that. Then road bikes will have to be 100watts or less, and on and on.

You are working directly against the needs of the electric bicycle community. How can you not see this?
(BTW, there WOULD be 800lb cars for sale, but your anti-freedom liberal friends outlawed them by creating so many safety regulations)


And Dauntless, I love that aluminum car!
Maybe I will have to go to France after all. That is if the rapefugees the liberals have brought in haven't destroyed the place by the time I get there.