Short telescoping handle behind bike seat?

[rborger73]

I've googled and searched and haven't found one. With ebikes often being rather heavy, I find I normally grab under the back of the seat and the handle bars to pick it up and slide it around. However, when I have the rear rack loaded this often can be hard to do. If someone knows of one already available I'll buy one, otherwise think I'm going to make one.

Basically a short version of a suitcase extendable handle, that is attached to the seat post. That you can push down when not needed and have it slide below seat level. My ebike is over 100lbs, so if I can't get a hand on the seat somehow, it can be a pain to move about. Just needs to be two positions, extended, and not extended. Maybe 5" travel at most. Anyone seen something like this already in production?

Just a simple slide up to use, slide back down out of the way under the seat.

 

[Speady]

I have a handlebar stem mounted on my seatpost. Fits with a 27.2- 30.8mm seatpost shim.

 

[PRW]

Some seats come with handles included - the RadRovers have them, they are very useful when moving the bikes around or lifting them. Similar to this https://www.amazon.com/Velo-Elasto-Grip-E-bike-Saddle-250068/dp/B01N3UXL9P

 

[Hillhater]

Why wouldnt you be able to hold the seat when you are not riding ??

 

[PRW]

Why wouldnt you be able to hold the seat when you are not riding ??

you can; but it's easier with a handle.

 

[amberwolf]

Gripping the seat itself to lift the back end of a 100lb bike will probably result in breaking the seat at some point, unless it is a solid metal structure from the grip point to the seatpost itself.

Without that, whatever handle there is would need to attach to the seatpost or bike frame, for long-term functionality.

Back when I used "normal" bikes I broke a number of seats using them as grips with the bikes loaded up with cargo.

 

[The fingers]

Make a handle(s) out of rope or webbing. Attach it to the frame wherever you want, just be careful to keep them away from the wheels while riding.

 

[rborger73]

Why wouldnt you be able to hold the seat when you are not riding ??

I keep a laptop heavy canvas bag and normally it's slid up level with the seat that my charger and power supply reside within. Moving the bike around by the seat is handy when the bag isn't there. I grab the back of the seat more often to flip down my double kickstand before I jump on it. This is where the handle would be most "handy".

 

[rborger73]

Gripping the seat itself to lift the back end of a 100lb bike will probably result in breaking the seat at some point, unless it is a solid metal structure from the grip point to the seatpost itself.

Without that, whatever handle there is would need to attach to the seatpost or bike frame, for long-term functionality.

Back when I used "normal" bikes I broke a number of seats using them as grips with the bikes loaded up with cargo.

I'm pretty sure the pressure of my 155lb ass pressing down on the seat, would be much more likely to break the seat post, than me picking up a 100lb bike a few inches off the ground. But seat post is plenty strong here. The handle is mainly most "handy" for lifting up on the bike when flipping up the double kickstand, and the time my rack bags are most in the way.

 

[rborger73]

Make a handle(s) out of rope or webbing. Attach it to the frame wherever you want, just be careful to keep them away from the wheels while riding.

I think I'll just make a telescoping handle instead of tying some twine around my seat. lol :lol:

 

[amberwolf]

The problem is not the post, or even the frame on the seat that clamps to the post, but the seat itself. As I noted in my original reply, the fix is in not applying the upward lift to the seat itself but to the metal on the seat frame that transfers the load to the post directly.

Sitting on the seat transfers your weight to the frame and the post as it's designed--but lifting the seat while gravity pulls the bike down away from the seat is what breaks them--that's the failure I had with all of mine. I weighed around 130-140lbs back then, vs my 170-180lbs now, but never had trouble with the seats in normal usage--only when used to lift, the opposite way they are designed to tranfer their loads.

I'd usually be using the seat as a handle the way you describe, lifting to put up the kickstand, or sometimes to get the bike over a curb it couldn't be ridden over while loaded down, etc.

Gripping the seat itself to lift the back end of a 100lb bike will probably result in breaking the seat at some point, unless it is a solid metal structure from the grip point to the seatpost itself.

Without that, whatever handle there is would need to attach to the seatpost or bike frame, for long-term functionality.

Back when I used "normal" bikes I broke a number of seats using them as grips with the bikes loaded up with cargo.

I'm pretty sure the pressure of my 155lb ass pressing down on the seat, would be much more likely to break the seat post, than me picking up a 100lb bike a few inches off the ground. But seat post is plenty strong here. The handle is mainly most "handy" for lifting up on the bike when flipping up the double kickstand, and the time my rack bags are most in the way.

 

[rborger73]

19.6 k of picking it up by the back of the seat. 100 to 125lbs depending on what I had onboard the bike. Nothing has broken yet. Easy enough to design a handle that attaches on the seat post and a second location, but not too concerned about breaking the seat tube in another 20k, even with a handle.


ANYWAYS.... back on focus again... has anyone seen something like this that exists, non withstanding the "great" risk of seat posts breaking, or using some Macramé lashed on series of ropes, that someone has made, or is actually for sale? 8)

I'm sorry ES, but I don't think I've ever managed to get quality answers on this forum, without having 4 or 5 jesters of the ebikes show up and throw things wildly off topic. It's a shame because there really is mostly great info on this board, just seems every time I post a thread asking simple straight forward questions, that have included the parameters I require, always someone just totally ignores what was posted, then try to fit in something non related but interesting to them just to reply. Sorry, it's just super frustrating.

 

[Chalo]

The pattern I've seen over and over again is for you to ask questions and then complain about people answering them.

 

[amberwolf]

not too concerned about breaking the seat tube in another 20k, even with a handle.

Ok, but if you're responding to my post, you should note that as I already said, it was the seat that broke in any of the instances I had them break.

Not seat tube.

It's good that you have not had a problem with your seat tube breaking, and presumably not with your seat either.

I would guess that your seat is either made of better materials/construction than any of mine (not surprising since everything I get is used and usually not well-made to start with), and/or it has what I described of a metal frame that connects to the seat post directly rather than thru the seat itself, so the seat is not under the stresses mine were without such connection.

the "great" risk of seat posts breaking,

Just so it's clear to all readers, as my previous posts apparently were not sufficiently clear:

The risk is not of seat POSTS breaking.

There is risk of seats breaking.

Neither risk is "great".

I'm sorry ES, but I don't think I've ever managed to get quality answers on this forum, without having 4 or 5 jesters of the ebikes show up and throw things wildly off topic. It's a shame because there really is mostly great info on this board, just seems every time I post a thread asking simple straight forward questions, that have included the parameters I require, always someone just totally ignores what was posted, then try to fit in something non related but interesting to them just to reply. Sorry, it's just super frustrating.

I can certainly understand your frustration in not getting an exact answer to your question, but I think part of your frustration stems from either not reading or not understanding at least some of the replies you get.

This thread is one example of that, where you continue to reply about seat post breakage when the stated problem is about seats, and specifically stated to NOT be about seat posts.


I'm pretty sure that everyone else posting in this thread was also trying to be helpful with whatever info they happened to have. Unfortunately none of it was apparently what you were looking for. Thank you for letting us know that.

But calling them jesters is unfair, and just makes it less likely that people will want to help you at all, even if they happen to know exactly what you want.


For my own replies, I was trying to help you and anyone else that might not be aware of the possible problem in using a seat to lift a heavy bike.

If you don't like the information I was posting, post that here as a reply and I'll try to remember to refrain from future attempts to help in your threads, and I'll shrink the text size of my replies here to the minimum so they are still searchable but won't directly interfere with you or others reading your thread.

FWIW, I didn't post anything about an existing hande because I've never seen one.

I didn't post anything about how to make one because you had already said you were going to do that if you had to, and you've already done plenty of good fabrication and don't seem to need advice about that.

 

[Wheazel]

Its borderline impossible to discuss design with this one, any input that doesn't align with some initial idea will be disregarded and names will be called.
Just reminds me of the puffy-bag-trike-thread.

 

[torker]

A pic of the seat / loaded bag might be helpful. 8)

 

[dogman dan]

:wink:

Learn to weld, and build your own rack, one with the handle you need sticking out the back.

 

[rborger73]

:wink:

Learn to weld, and build your own rack, one with the handle you need sticking out the back.

I'm a fabricator.. Making this handle won't be a big endeavor to me.

 

[rborger73]

Its borderline impossible to discuss design with this one, any input that doesn't align with some initial idea will be disregarded and names will be called.
Just reminds me of the puffy-bag-trike-thread.

Hey Mr "puffy bag" calling person. Please, won't you gfy. Thanks. I've looked at all you've designed, not once have I been impressed. Just off you go.

A "puffy bag"... You're a gd idiot.

 

[rborger73]

The pattern I've seen over and over again is for you to ask questions and then complain about people answering them.

Look the number one moron on this forum, has to input his worthless two cents again.

EVERYTHING you've ever told me I couldn't do, or has to be done this way, or whatever nonsense you've provided, has been wrong in every case about me. I don't listen to you, because you're a total moron.

I've asked you plenty of times to just not reply in my threads. Your input is not only not welcome, it is laughed at.

 

[rborger73]

Let me summarize. I did not ask for alternative things to tie onto my bike to use as a handle. I didn't ask if 3 years of lifting the bike up using the handle, might someday in the distant future possibly break if gravity increases and my bike becomes 300lbs. I didn't ask for design input from mediocre "bike mechanics". I didn't ask for comments from a Weasel that uses remote steering on a slow lame front cargo bike.

You same morons chase away way more people than you help. If you cannot reply to the original post, in a manner that actually helps the original poster, just keep your yaps shut. Jesus ffing christ.


This forum is starting to be a "search only" resource. Asking anything on here is 80% of the time, a waste of time anymore. Not fing once have I ever not had some ninny attempt to f up my thread.

 

[rborger73]

First question..

"If someone knows of one already available I'll buy one. Anyone seen something like this already in production? " (not answered, not even an attempt)

I explain what I'm looking to either buy or make.

"Basically a short version of a suitcase extendable handle, that is attached to the seat post. That you can push down when not needed and have it slide below seat level. My ebike is over 100lbs, so if I can't get a hand on the seat somehow, it can be a pain to move about. Just needs to be two positions, extended, and not extended. Maybe 5" travel at most."

Now if anyone would like to quote the replies in this thread, that actually pertain to the original post, then you can tell me it's me that is the problem, and not the handful of bumble twats that constantly feel the need to reply when they offer no help, but constantly want to insert their own non related experiences, that don't apply to the actual topic.

It's SO obvious the cycle that repeats over and over on this forum...

 

[maanebedotten]

Someone bring popcorn please, Im all out.

 

[Wheazel]

Its borderline impossible to discuss design with this one, any input that doesn't align with some initial idea will be disregarded and names will be called.
Just reminds me of the puffy-bag-trike-thread.

Hey Mr "puffy bag" calling person. Please, won't you gfy. Thanks. I've looked at all you've designed, not once have I been impressed. Just off you go.

A "puffy bag"... You're a gd idiot.

You miss the point as usual, or don't want to see it. First of all it doesnt matter what you think of my or others builds, the thread / discussion revolves around something else. It is completely irrelevant to the setting.
However, I will not call you any names if you think the cargobike is useless and ugly. It is infact a handy bike, but a big compromise for looks. I find it borderline ugly myself. I can admit that without problems.
Nor will I go into mental breakdown and call others idiots or worse. Why? Because that is the essence of being a useless forum member.

It is baffling that you complain about this forums state when your own threads are pretty much the pinnacle of what you describe.
And generally the reason for it is yourself, and your attitude. Get that, be more open minded to input, and the discussion might become a lot more fruitful.

Sadly I haven't got high hopes, so I assume I might take your nr 1 moron spot from Chalo by writing this
Let's see...

 

[rborger73]

You miss the point as usual, or don't want to see it. First of all it doesnt matter what you think of my or others builds, the thread / discussion revolves around something else. It is completely irrelevant to the setting.

And yet you decided to jump in here, and throw an insult. Don't want no shit, don't start no shit. You don't seem able to resist, just like Chalo, to jump on one of my threads, and do exactly what I frocking am complaining about, and here you go to further frocking throw the thread further off track..

Generally, the reason this happens, IN EVERY GD THREAD ON THE FORUM, not just mine, is nitwits like you and a handful of others insist inserting unneeded, and off topic replies. EVERY GD TIME. No, I don't start this nonsense.

I asked with very specific list of things I required in my last thread for a front suspension fork. Listing the travel, size, brake setup, and price. Everything needed to suggest a suspension fork closest to what I need. In 3 posts or less people are giving me replies about rigid forks, switching to a different spoke and hub setup for my rim...

As I said in that thread... "Hi I'm looking for a yellow turtleneck sweater"

"Have you thought about instead getting a can of condensed milk and some sausage patties?"


Now, Weasel, Wheazel, or however you spell it, quote a reply in this thread that matches any of the requirements I posted in the first post? Go ahead.. I'll wait. Isn't there a reddit or 4 chan post that would better utilize some of these people's time?