Stealth FUTR owners builds and pics

[Lash]

There are some reasonable looking motorbike carriers on ebay that look like they could do the trick quite well.
Ive been dreaming of making a double ebike carrier, in a similar design as the ones you guys have posted. Carring two bikes like that would be pretty awesome. I like the locked in tie down method of the official stealth one, rather than straps. Ive had a strap break on me, and my bike drop, and Hyena had a mishap the otherday on the FB group too.

For now my alpha and beta just fit in the back of the car. but one at a time.

Thanks \ (•◡•) / for the link to the bolts online, I ordered a whole pack of a few varieties, it was good timing too, because I lost even more bolts on my latest ride. So cant wait to take a pic with them installed.

I also have some 4d or 5d carbon wrap vinyl on the way, so hope to whip up a new look - perhaps on a beta - that should be pretty easy / economical to do.

My latest Beta with the 1500w rated wheel is nearly finished - just need to modify a brake mount to have the brake mounted clean on the rear and its good for testing so cant wait to do a video / run down on that.

Lastly, with summer nearly over (fark its been hot) I'm keen to have some weekend rides / meetups around the traps in central victoria and surrounds, so for Melbourne, Ballarat guys I'll try and get the word out on a day or two over the next few months. Theres some nice bush trails around Bendigo to start with.

 

[markz]

Otherwise chain reaction cycles or other online cycle shops can have what you need by yeah you'll need to pay more.

I had a look around, seems Chain Reaction Cycle does not sell any Shimano products anymore. Further online Googling reveal that Chain Reaction Cycle has been bought out, and the major companies are all cracking down on discount stores. I have also been having troubles connecting to Niagara Cycle so perhaps they are no longer. Looking at their website, their Facebook page reveals they rebranded, https://www.thebikeshopstore.com/ location seems to be the same in NY, website fonts are the same. The good thing about them are that they sell lots of spokes in lots of smaller then normal sizes.

 

[cheeko]

Thanks Lash Yeah i seen some ones on Ebay Motobike Carriers some look exactly same as the Stealth one 1/4 of the price. I only wanted to take my daughter too maybe bad idea as ill be complaining she's to slow LOL

Here is pic with my wheel on thanks to MTS Technoliglies for machine the disc its perfect fitment now.

Ill be up and running in few weeks i think

 

[Lash]

Basically finished off a '1500w' hub build. - I still have to wire in the key and a breaker, but a recent test ride went well and I have a nice little ride on my hands. It just has a basic 35A controller at the moment, and the motor stays luke warm to touch so it has plenty of headroom for some tweaking down the track.

Weight wise it comes in at about 30Kgs and still rocks a 14s6p sanyo GA battery good for ~18-20Ah.

Top speed of around 45kmh with decent pickup given the torque oriented motor.

Anyway I'll save banging on about it for an upcoming video, here's a cool pic from a recent ride.

While I'm at it, I thought id show off a pic of my new black side cover bolts on the alpha. Its a nice change for this color.

 

[cheeko]

Looks Sweet Lash, I love all your builds

I Finally Finished mine last night Here are some pics

Mxus 3K
15kw Power Velocity Controller App is great for on fly programing
Running Blutooth BMS
24S5P Samsung 30Q
26Inch Wheels
Shimano XTR 9020 Brakes
easy charging via Anderson plug on back frame


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I sorta had no expense spared on this thought i would do it right first time.

Hope you all like and please open to criticism and comments

Ps Seems to Handle 70kph With Ease just short bursts 10kw

 

[Lash]

I cant see your pics cheeko...


I went for a spin today, ended up with a pretty gnarly flat spot on the rear rim, think i was hitting some rocks are bit harder than usual today, plus I think my pressures were down a bit, so good reminder to keep that rear pumped up!

I think my mxus v2 is getting a bit tired, it throws a halls error on the adappto under WOT when i have the settings pretty fired up power wise. I might have to pop the side and investiage, seems to run ok up 6-7kw.

Might be time for a recalibration, but could be a hall loose or exposed wire im guessing getting some interference under big load?

A job for another day anyway.

 

[Rix]

Bikes are looking great Lee, yah the MXUS V2 is a great motor, all you may need to do is run an auto detect cycle. Let us know.

 

[cheeko]

I cant see your pics cheeko...


I went for a spin today, ended up with a pretty gnarly flat spot on the rear rim, think i was hitting some rocks are bit harder than usual today, plus I think my pressures were down a bit, so good reminder to keep that rear pumped up!

I think my mxus v2 is getting a bit tired, it throws a halls error on the adappto under WOT when i have the settings pretty fired up power wise. I might have to pop the side and investiage, seems to run ok up 6-7kw.

Might be time for a recalibration, but could be a hall loose or exposed wire im guessing getting some interference under big load?

A job for another day anyway.

Fixed it up

 

[Rix]

Nice build Cheeko, with the small pilot in the first pic, your power to weight ratio would be very very high.

 

[cheeko]

Nice build Cheeko, with the small pilot in the first pic, your power to weight ratio would be very very high.

Yes she only weighs 19kgs lol might let her ride it when she can touch pedals. Thanks again its quick and glad i went Futr Frame and thanks to everyone in this Thread helped me a great deal.

Cheers

 

[cheeko]

Finally got out for nice ride on Saturday, only had one issue with the chain tensioner, just skipping but i don't know how i can fix it without taking it off and having no chain tensioner.

Loving the Powervelocity controller so smooth and easy programming on fly if need be.



Cheers Peter

 

[Lash]

Loving the hot green grips n pedals. Really gives a unique look. That will be a very fast bike! Hopefully that rear rim is up to the challenge with the heavier v3.

Does your front wheel clear the controller? Looks mighty close,

I'm so keen to get my powervelocity controller powered alpha up n running.

Have been away over in NZ for a week or so. So many ebikes and escooters here. It's cool as. Perfect country and terrain for it.

 

[cheeko]

Loving the hot green grips n pedals. Really gives a unique look. That will be a very fast bike! Hopefully that rear rim is up to the challenge with the heavier v3.

Does your front wheel clear the controller? Looks mighty close,

I'm so keen to get my powervelocity controller powered alpha up n running.

Have been away over in NZ for a week or so. So many ebikes and escooters here. It's cool as. Perfect country and terrain for it.

Hi Lash

Thanks heaps yeah i went with green i don't know why, Sticker is cope out to someone leave it there. I have pretty chunky tires and was easily reaching speeds of 71kmhr but I'm thinking if i can fit 20S 7P in there ill try that or 18s7P tone it down a bit lol.

Rim yes shes a heavy wheel, i have already dented rear maybe not full pumped tire, I'm looking at replacing with MTX 39 or SAS maybe 24" not 26" but with black rims seems impossible to get white rims (have you dealt with MTX 39?) i have problems with the derailleur chain skipping, didnt want to make without derailleur.

Powervelocity is great controller. App is sweet always updated and programming on fly pretty cool if need too.

I have the thing on 10% torque and its still popping wheelies when you take off with soft start all way up LOL


Cheers

 

[gravityrun]

Anyone know where to get the gearbox like they have on the original Stealth bikes? I'm looking to do a FUTR build, but I want to avoid using a derailer and such.

 

[efMX Trials Electric Freeride]

Anyone know where to get the gearbox like they have on the original Stealth bikes? I'm looking to do a FUTR build, but I want to avoid using a derailer and such.

I think Mammoth Ebike sells the vBoxx, but it only fits on stealth bomber or a custom frame made to fit it ..

https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=23996&p=1395587#p1395587

 

[scrambler]

What I believe you can install is the Schlumpf Speed Drive,
http://www.schlumpf.ch/hp/schlumpf/faq.getriebe.engl.htm#E

or better its cheaper version the ATS Speed Drive
http://www.ats-speeddrive.com/tpl/all_sd_tc.html

Only two gears, but better than nothing

 

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What I believe you can install is the Schlumpf Speed Drive,
http://www.schlumpf.ch/hp/schlumpf/faq.getriebe.engl.htm#E

or better its cheaper version the ATS Speed Drive
http://www.ats-speeddrive.com/tpl/all_sd_tc.html

Only two gears, but better than nothing

I agree here that the Ats/Schlumpf is the easiest option to install on a beta or alpha, only needing the drive side of the bottom bracket to be chamfered by a specialised facing tool. - However if you're serious and don't mind dropping a bit of cash, have a look at the Freeride version of the Hammerschmidt's, they were build tough for downhill riding, as opposed to the Ats/Schlumpf's which are built more for city bikes, and don't have as strong crank arms, gears etc. The Hammerschmidt however will need to have iscg03 or iscg05 tabs welded onto your frame, which does make it more difficult to install, But not impossible :wink:

(still a work in process, awaiting painting currently)
The FR Hammerschmidt has super strong 7075 beefy crank-arms, high quality carbon + aluminium X0 shifters, bash guards and overall high build quality and smart design, because its also mounts to iscg05 via 3 m6 bolts, it's almost impossible for it to move, yet the Schlumpf is only mounted via friction to the bottom bracket. So it's a choice between money, convenience, effort and durability
Hammerchmidt:
need to make sure the Iscg05 tabs are faced, flush and not at any skewed angle relative to the bottom bracket
durable
costly
will need a lot of expensive modifications to your frame and the Hammerschmidt
Schlumpf:
cheaper
easier
less durable
might need more frequent servicing.

Hope this helps

 

[Rix]

What I believe you can install is the Schlumpf Speed Drive,
http://www.schlumpf.ch/hp/schlumpf/faq.getriebe.engl.htm#E

or better its cheaper version the ATS Speed Drive
http://www.ats-speeddrive.com/tpl/all_sd_tc.html

Only two gears, but better than nothing

I agree here that the Ats/Schlumpf is the easiest option to install on a beta or alpha, only needing the drive side of the bottom bracket to be chamfered by a specialised facing tool. - However if you're serious and don't mind dropping a bit of cash, have a look at the Freeride version of the Hammerschmidt's, they were build tough for downhill riding, as opposed to the Ats/Schlumpf's which are built more for city bikes, and don't have as strong crank arms, gears etc. The Hammerschmidt however will need to have iscg03 or iscg05 tabs welded onto your frame, which does make it more difficult to install, But not impossible :wink:

(still a work in process, awaiting painting currently)
The FR Hammerschmidt has super strong 7075 beefy crank-arms, high quality carbon + aluminium X0 shifters, bash guards and overall high build quality and smart design, because its also mounts to iscg05 via 3 m6 bolts, it's almost impossible for it to move, yet the Schlumpf is only mounted via friction to the bottom bracket. So it's a choice between money, convenience, effort and durability
Hammerchmidt:
need to make sure the Iscg05 tabs are faced, flush and not at any skewed angle relative to the bottom bracket
durable
costly
will need a lot of expensive modifications to your frame and the Hammerschmidt
Schlumpf:
cheaper
easier
less durable
might need more frequent servicing.

Hope this helps

Nicely done!

 

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Nicely done!
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Cheers , Just waiting to get the swing arm painted and then I'll post some photos of the finished product with the Hammerschmidt installed, I've also have many more exciting changes to my bike which i'll also post some of.

 

[cheeko]

Nicely done!
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Cheers , Just waiting to get the swing arm painted and then I'll post some photos of the finished product with the Hammerschmidt installed, I've also have many more exciting changes to my bike which i'll also post some of.
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Nice work, Could you have rocked these https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BT6R82L?tag=mtbrforum-insert-20

 

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Nice work, Could you have rocked these https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BT6R82L?tag=mtbrforum-insert-20

Hmm... I'm not sure you understand the principles of the Hammerschmidt, it uses the iscg05 as its mounting point, therefor all torsional stress goes into the iscg05 tabs, I actually purchased a similar converter, although unfortunately they are all made from aluminium, which is impossible to weld to the FUTR's steel (or cromoly) frame. These adaptors would instantly just spin when any force was applied to the pedals - that's why the weld done on the swing-arm is so long and beefy, to ensure optimal strength

 

[Cowardlyduck]

Not so sure I can agree with those comments about the Schlumpf ...Stealth use them on the Fighter for a reason and I'm yet to hear of any of them failing.

The Schlumpf on my Fighter from 2011 is still going strong and I've put it through a hell of a lot of off-road abuse. In that time I've semi-regularly maintained it (periodic cleaning and oiling) and had it fully serviced once. Apart from the side cover rubbing on the swing-arm bolt (Stealth's issue) I've had zero issues.

I also have a Schlumpf on my Recumbent commuter bike...and although it is 'city' use as you say, also had zero issues apart from loosing a crank button.

Anyway...I just don't wanna see people dissuaded from using the Schlumpf as I personally think it's a fantastic product that will suit most applications, including moderate to heavy off-road use.

Just my 2c.

Cheers

 

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Not so sure I can agree with those comments about the Schlumpf ...Stealth use them on the Fighter for a reason and I'm yet to hear of any of them failing.

The Schlumpf on my Fighter from 2011 is still going strong and I've put it through a hell of a lot of off-road abuse. In that time I've semi-regularly maintained it (periodic cleaning and oiling) and had it fully serviced once. Apart from the side cover rubbing on the swing-arm bolt (Stealth's issue) I've had zero issues.

I also have a Schlumpf on my Recumbent commuter bike...and although it is 'city' use as you say, also had zero issues apart from loosing a crank button.

Anyway...I just don't wanna see people dissuaded from using the Schlumpf as I personally think it's a fantastic product that will suit most applications, including moderate to heavy off-road use.

Just my 2c.

Cheers

Oh for sure, I hope I didn't come off as saying Hammerschmidt is 'better', The Hammerschmidt is much harder to install yet I chose to go with it over the Schlumpf as the friction fit really concerned me, however it's certainly good to hear that after 8 years your schlumpf is still by your side.
Simply looking at both drives from a technical side I choose the Hammerschmidt as it seems to be built with more focus towards downhill riders, with the massive 7075 cranks, 'Freeride' name and super wide internal gears, so lots of contact area. when googling I mainly saw the schlumpf's on trikes or hardtail bikes, So I was under the impression it wasn't designed for or suited for abusive downhill/ offroad bikes (funny thing Is I ride my bike mostly on road surface paths :lol, so that's why I dismissed it.
I'm really happy with my Hammerschmidt's quality so far, As I like having everything on my bike crazily overbuilt.

really my decision was made from looking at the size of internal gears of the hammerschmidt and the schlumpf, crank arm size and the way they mount to the bike, I'm sure the Hammerschmidt was well overbuilt, and the schlumpf is by far all anyone could ever need. In saying that I still do admire the Hammerschmidt in all of its stupidly overbuilt quality

 

[Rix]

Nicely done!
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Cheers , Just waiting to get the swing arm painted and then I'll post some photos of the finished product with the Hammerschmidt installed, I've also have many more exciting changes to my bike which i'll also post some of.
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The Hammerschmidt is a nice crank set up, tough as they come. Look forward to seeing the finished product.

 

[Rix]

Not so sure I can agree with those comments about the Schlumpf ...Stealth use them on the Fighter for a reason and I'm yet to hear of any of them failing.

The Schlumpf on my Fighter from 2011 is still going strong and I've put it through a hell of a lot of off-road abuse. In that time I've semi-regularly maintained it (periodic cleaning and oiling) and had it fully serviced once. Apart from the side cover rubbing on the swing-arm bolt (Stealth's issue) I've had zero issues.

I also have a Schlumpf on my Recumbent commuter bike...and although it is 'city' use as you say, also had zero issues apart from loosing a crank button.

Anyway...I just don't wanna see people dissuaded from using the Schlumpf as I personally think it's a fantastic product that will suit most applications, including moderate to heavy off-road use.

Just my 2c.

Cheers

I agree with you the Schlump/ATS crank Stealth uses on the Fighter is more than adequate and tough enough for everything short of free riding the shore in BC, however, the Hammershmidt is a tougher crank. Guys have ran that crank riding the Redbull Rampage and never had a failure.